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7Famark saidI guess that could be a part of it...but I find that I am generally against diets that advocate cutting out certain products that aren't that bad in moderation. Whole wheats and grains can be a part of a healthy diet.

I sure hope so, cause while I try not to overdo it, a diet completely without grains (and legumes, he takes it that far, I believe) would be really dull. And I like to eat.

showme said

7Famark saidI eat wheat and don't have a belly...

Moderation, and watching your macros

You're also really young and keep at it with the exercise, so perhaps your experience can't be generalized. Or maybe it can.

Hey, I'm no spring chicken and I am old enough to be 7Famark's daddy. My belly is pretty lean.

Now... back to being the daddy..

Who's yer daddy!?!

MuchMoreThanMuscle said
Hey, I'm no spring chicken and I am old enough to be 7Famark's daddy. My belly is pretty lean.

Definitely. You seem like you are SUPER on top of what you put into your body, though. Most of us can't - or won't - spend the time to monitor things so heavily.

^ It actually becomes very easy for me to do.

I'm the type of person that can eat the same food everyday. So once I calculate what I plan to eat I can follow it and stick with it. I maybe have two cheat meals a week...okay maybe three.

It would be hard if I didn't spend a little extra time cooking food in advance. I pack my lunch and bring it with me.

MuchMoreThanMuscle said

streamline said

Like I said, for guys who workout on a two-dimensional exercise field gluten is fine. Lift your weights and eat your wheat, but it's destroying you.

I read what you said earlier. But... "workout on a two-dimensional exercise field...?"

I'm guessing that English is not your first language.

You lift things up, and then put them down = two dimensions.

^ You cannot define movement in the physical world as two-dimensional.

At first I thought you were being haughty and making a judgment against people who are not "true" athletes as you claim yourself to be.

I still have my doubts, actually.

....and doing cardio makes your workouts three-dimensional? Uhhh, I dont get it

Caslon19000 saidMonsanto employees voted to ban Monsanto's GMO from their cafeteria...

In what has to be close to the ultimate in corporate hypocrisy, employees at a Monsanto company cafeteria have won the right to have their employee cafeteria serve non-GMO food:

GM foods not served in Monsanto cafeteria

http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/02/monsanto-cafeteria-bans-gmo-foods/

MOnsanto has also developed a breed of corn that is resistant to agent orange...shade of Vietnam. This allows farms to spread the corn with agent orange to kill weeds....then serve the corn to you. Bon appetit!

There is so much misinformation in this post that if it were on any topic other than biochemistry/genetics I would have assumed it to be written by a troll.

First, Monsanto serves genetically engineered foods in their cafeterias.http://monsantoblog.com/2012/02/10/whats-served-in-monsantos-cafeterias/

Second, "Agent Orange Corn" is developed by Dow AgroSciences. Monsanto produces plants modified with a gene that allows them to continue photosynthesizing in the presence of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup. The use of one herbicide alone sets up selective pressures which allow the proliferation of herbicide resistant weeds so the development of crops which are resistant to different herbicides will benefit the fight against herbicide resistant weeds by killing said weeds off with something they're not resistant to. The chemical being used is one of several chemicals which were part of the Agent Orange mixture and have not been implicated as being responsible for the symptoms caused, although to be fair just about any chemical pesticide, fertilizer, or medicine will cause great harm if sprayed over populated areas in high concentrations for a length of time.

These pancakes are delicious.

GMO wheat = poison

We need to get past the idea that anything digestible is food.....just 'cause you can digest red licorice or marshmallow strawberries doesn't make them "nourishing". And so it is (and frankly always has been, for 5000 years) with wheat.

Big believer in the book and the author's assertions.

Emesis54 saidno more sammiches?

I'm not sure yet. My friend was telling me about the different "breads" that she is making from nut flours, seed flours, and other low-glycemic, natural, organic ingredients.

I like sandwiches, but am definitely more a fan of what is inside than the bread itself.

7Famark said

Particularly the paleo diet. It seems like the people that follow it tout it as the be-all-end-all in dieting and it really isn't.

Kinda like health professionals and dieticians touting the standard low-fat, whole grain, non-red meat lean protein, fruits and veggies as the be-all-end-all diet, when it really isn't, either.

To each their own I guess.

MightyMouse87 said

7Famark said

Particularly the paleo diet. It seems like the people that follow it tout it as the be-all-end-all in dieting and it really isn't.

Kinda like health professionals and dieticians touting the standard low-fat, whole grain, non-red meat lean protein, fruits and veggies as the be-all-end-all diet, when it really isn't, either.

To each their own I guess.

Did I ever say that it was? No.

There is no be-all-end-all diet...what works for someone may not be the right answer for someone else.

theantijock saidThese pancakes are delicious.

Are they made from almond flour?

But is he talking about wheat specifically, or starches in general? Does he include plain rice?

A Strange Convergence:

The American political right is usually a staunch defender of all things corporate. Big Business can do no wrong. Monsanto has been seen as a victim of "European Health Nazis". Genetically modified foods were America's gift to an ungrateful world.

But Hell is now freezing.

Neal Boortz, the Rush Limbaugh wannabe, is now promoting this book, Wheat Belly, with all the urgency of announcing a prairie fire.

We may be seeing the political right and left find common cause on this issue.

When I was very skinny and I mean VERY skinny (long time ago, like 9 years ago), whole grain bread was part of my diet. So there goes that theory that wheat makes you fat. I did not eat much food but I did not have much of an appetite either. It's not what you eat but how much of it you eat.

Dagomir saidWhen I was very skinny and I mean VERY skinny (long time ago, like 9 years ago), whole grain bread was part of my diet. So there goes that theory that wheat makes you fat. I did not eat much food but I did not have much of an appetite either. It's not what you eat but how much of it you eat.

No. That's daft. By that theory, there's a healthy way to eat only marshmallows. And there isn't. The theory behind the book is not something people are going to glean from osmosis....it will actually need to be read (novel idea, I know, lol.)

If I was to give an analogy that people might understand, your cat can't eat wheat; most people wouldn't contest that. The book explains how our bodies are closer to a cat's than to a bird's. And also how what we call "wheat" today is unrecognizable from "wheat" the Egyptians started to eat 5000 years ago....and even when they did, humans got shorter, fatter, and didn't live as long.

Just because you "can" eat something doesn't mean you "should" eat it.

calf saidBut is he talking about wheat specifically, or starches in general? Does he include plain rice?

He talks about wheat in the boo (caveat, I've only read the website/blog and excerpts from the book), but a least on his cardio website he focuses on most starches.

I greatly minimized my gluten intake about 2 months ago, while also eliminating about 90% of my dairy intake. I feel that my allergies (hay fever) have become much more controllable and it seems to have reduced my belly a bit. Coincidentally, I feel like my cardio stamina has increased as well.

I'm not a believer that wheat is toxic poison to the body. In moderation, and in the right products (i.e., whole grain pop tarts are like a big oxymoron but whole grain pasta is a better product), is ideal.

yourname2000 said

Dagomir saidWhen I was very skinny and I mean VERY skinny (long time ago, like 9 years ago), whole grain bread was part of my diet. So there goes that theory that wheat makes you fat. I did not eat much food but I did not have much of an appetite either. It's not what you eat but how much of it you eat.

No. That's daft. By that theory, there's a healthy way to eat only marshmallows. And there isn't. The theory behind the book is not something people are going to glean from osmosis....it will actually need to be read (novel idea, I know, lol.)

If I was to give an analogy that people might understand, your cat can't eat wheat; most people wouldn't contest that. The book explains how our bodies are closer to a cat's than to a bird's. And also how what we call "wheat" today is unrecognizable from "wheat" the Egyptians started to eat 5000 years ago....and even when they did, humans got shorter, fatter, and didn't live as long.

Just because you "can" eat something doesn't mean you "should" eat it.

And the rice and corn we eat is also very different than their ancient forms......yet these are promoted by the gluten-free diet as alternatives to wheat.

"Our bodies are closer to a cat's than to a bird's". Now THAT's "daft". Of course we are closer to cats than birds. Cats are mammals! That much should be obvious. But mammals all have varying diets so I don't think it really says anything about what our diet should be that humans and cats are both mammals.

Humans got shorter and fatter and didn't live as long? Well in recent times people are much taller than they were generations ago! The average male height in the Netherlands 150 years ago was 5'4'' 1/2 inches. Now men in the Netherlands are on average 5'11''. Did Dutch guys all stop eating wheat? lol.

yourname2000 saidGMO wheat = poison

There are no GMO wheat varieties on the market.

Adding one or several genes which encode for well-studied and safety tested proteins into a plant does not make the edible portions of the plant "poison".

Do people who make these ridiculous anti-GMO comments even understand the central dogma of molecular biology? If not, can they just say "I'm against this because I don't understand it and someone else said it was scary"?

Uh oh. I think I may have found something which may "cross the line".



Has anybody heard anything one way or the other about barley?

Uh oh. More troubling news.

Dr. William Davis
All Complex Carbohydrates Are Not Created Equal
"In fact, in my view, there is virtually no difference from a blood sugar standpoint between whole grain bread and cookies: It's all the same. It does not mean that chocolate chip cookies are good for you; it means that both bread and cookies have equal blood sugar implications."

Oh my. And I love cookehz! Sigh, I guess I'll just have to make them from almond flour now. Yum!

GAMRican saidUh oh. More troubling news.

Dr. William Davis
All Complex Carbohydrates Are Not Created Equal
"In fact, in my view, there is virtually no difference from a blood sugar standpoint between whole grain bread and cookies: It's all the same. It does not mean that chocolate chip cookies are good for you; it means that both bread and cookies have equal blood sugar implications."

Oh my. And I love cookehz! Sigh, I guess I'll just have to make them from almond flour now. Yum!