Is it cool to brag about your "confirmed kills" when you've been in the military?

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    May 26, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    I really don't know anything about that stuff when it comes to military guys and what they seem to be really into talking about?

    I was at a bar last night drinking with my friends when a guy comes over to us and tells us alllllll about his military career and how he had a bunch of "confirmed kills" and what rank he was and how awesome he was at his job.

    That sorta nauseated me a little bit. I was thinking to myself, "Is that something you really like to brag about?" I dunno, his personality just left me feeling so disgusted for some reason.
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    May 26, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidMost of the people I know in the military are quietly very clear that they do NOT want to talk about any of that stuff....that's private, somber stuff to be shared only with others who walked a similar path.

    Are you sure this guy really was military? (And not some braggart who in fact had done NONE of that?) icon_confused.gif
    I'm not gonna find that out about him because I don't care to be around him enough to really know. Sadly. lol

    For me I wouldn't want the world to know I've killed people. You know, ended another human beings life. I'd just feel a little more...insane at that point. Whew.
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    May 26, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    Depends. Back when I was serving during the Vietnam War there were some guys who talked about the killing and the gore, and some you couldn't pry anything out of. It varies by the man.

    Otherwise, most military to my experience do like to talk about the other aspects of their service. Everyone here knows that I certainly do. You are proud (even vain) about your accomplishments, your rank, your travels, all your experiences.

    Which, ironically, we often termed "war stories" even when they usually had nothing to do with war. Sort of a euphemism for "tall tales" that everyone took with a grain of salt, just like you would with the genuine war stories. Perhaps including this guy's claim about confirmed kills.
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    May 26, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    Soulasphyxi said
    yourname2000 saidMost of the people I know in the military are quietly very clear that they do NOT want to talk about any of that stuff....that's private, somber stuff to be shared only with others who walked a similar path.

    Are you sure this guy really was military? (And not some braggart who in fact had done NONE of that?) icon_confused.gif
    I'm not gonna find that out about him because I don't care to be around him enough to really know. Sadly. lol

    For me I wouldn't want the world to know I've killed people. You know, ended another human beings life. I'd just feel a little more...insane at that point. Whew.

    I have absolutely no problem with the killing of people. Our military are doing OUR work, so I'm certainly not going to fault someone for doing what he was called on by our leaders to do. I do have a problem with gloating about it, though. That's certainly uncalled for and uncouth.
    Killing happens. I can't say that I'm overly bothered by something that just.. exists. But gloating and stuff like that? Bragging about it in an almost infantile fashion? I crossed my legs, looked away from the conversation he was having, and pursed my lips like, "wtfffffffff... crazy" lmao
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    May 26, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    they only time i talk about my time overseas is with other guy's who've been there. i also get the feeling that the guy you talked to was full of shit, cause it's such a pain in the dick to get a confirmed kill on your 214. that and i personally know a 1st Sgt who got a fucking purple heart for rolling his ankle like a dumbass but two guys i served with who got killed in action didn't get anything.
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    May 26, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    My brother has killed many people but you'd better not mention it or he will end the conversation real quick like. He has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from it (which I think is normal). Anyone who can talk openly about killing someone probably never killed anyone or is a Sociopath. In either case, not someone I'd want to have drinks with.
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    May 26, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    Coming of age in a time of relative peace, between Vietnam and the Gulf War, I neither experienced it nor have I yet to study in depth the psychology of this so I don't know but I would imagine that different people seek out all sorts of ways to cope with having killed another human being.

    I tend to believe that talking things out can be a most healthy way to deal with traumatic experiences.

    Perhaps it was just as this guy said, his job, that he bragged about like anyone might, having done good work at their job.

    Plus wouldn't he have to convince himself that he was just doing his job. And don't we often do that by talking to people. Do you think religious people proselytize because they themselves are fully convinced?

    Maybe he has to keep convincing himself that this isn't something he would have chosen to do but it was his job, so he did it and he did a damned good job at that. Maybe he was seeking approval that he couldn't give to himself for having done what he might rather not have done.

    Wouldn't it be a natural inclination to distance yourself from assuming full responsibility for taking another person's life by citing patriotism? How does a person justify to themself that they killed without feeling guilt-ridden if he didn't think of it as his job that he was doing for his country? And if that's the case, then why wouldn't he brag about it? Would it be better if he was ashamed of it? Those are tough questions. I wouldn't be so quick to judge the guy. I'd have to know him and his situation better to understand this.
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    May 26, 2012 7:58 PM GMT
    I would be suspect of anybody who brags about killing. Period.

    My experience so far in helping returning, transitioning U.S. Armed Forces members to get the jobs that they want, is that the experience has indelibly changed them.

    Innocence has been replaced by somber reality.
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    May 26, 2012 8:21 PM GMT
    It`s not cool to boast about these things, even if necessary, and expertly and professionally done.

    A guy who claims to be in the military and talking of 'confirmed kills' in a public bar to strangers and civilians? I`d be very skeptical of his stories. In my experience, genuine ones don`t do that. I come from a military family (father, brother, niece, etc.) and they don`t tell their families much, either. It`s partly to protect us from what goes on as we aren`t equipped to deal with it.

    They`d only speak of such things to other military guys, and rightly so.

    He`s most likely trying to impress you.

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    May 27, 2012 12:19 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said Anyone who can talk openly about killing someone probably never killed anyone or is a Sociopath. In either case, not someone I'd want to have drinks with.

    I agree, I will also only date tormented serial killers
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    May 27, 2012 12:30 AM GMT
    As a former military service member myself, I have rarely heard of anyone bragging about how much people they have killed. I would be suspect of him....
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    May 27, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    Is this a rhetorical question? When is it ever "cool" to brag about anything?
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    May 27, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Maybe he was talking about his glory days on some videogame.
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    May 27, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    hottop88 saidIs this a rhetorical question? When is it ever "cool" to brag about anything?



    Aren't all the threads on RJ rhetorical questions? I'm confused.
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    May 27, 2012 1:38 AM GMT
    No its not cool nor is it likely that he was telling the truth. I've worked with many military and emergency service workers and none, none would have ever talked about this.

    He was a liar, simple.
    I wouldnt even let a twit like that have the opportunity to use mental illness as an excuse.

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    May 27, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    Claystation saidSounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Maybe he was talking about his glory days on some videogame.

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    May 27, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidDepends.

    Yes it does depend, but not in the sense Mr. AD suggests.... Bragging is not a trait by military folks who walked the walk, just superficial posers who talked the talk. The guys who were out in the field in sometimes difficult conditions are usually the most reticent. But the guys who spent their careers sitting behind a desk in an orderly room on their fat asses, drinking coffee and eating jelly donuts, will brag about their "exploits".
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    May 27, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
    Claystation saidSounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Maybe he was talking about his glory days on some videogame.



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    May 27, 2012 5:25 AM GMT
    Dude, having grown up in the house with soldiers all of my life, I can assure you that if he is bragging about confirmed kills he made in the field in a bar full of strangers, you should probably question the veracity of his confession, lol.
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    May 27, 2012 7:47 AM GMT
    Killing is bad.

    Killing for good reason excuses the bad.

    One brags about things that are good, not neutralized bad things.
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    May 27, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    Duality of man. Something something.
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    May 27, 2012 8:37 AM GMT
    Erm..
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    ... Our implied social contract mandates that one is ONLY allowed to, and actively should, boast about ourselves on i) resumes ii) job Interviews, and, iii) internet dating profiles
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    So....

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    May 27, 2012 6:15 PM GMT
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    Claystation saidSounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Maybe he was talking about his glory days on some videogame.



    As a marine, I was given instructions by my commander to find a scientist from Delta Labs who had gone missing. I eventually found the scientist in a nearby decommissioned communications facility, where he was frantically trying to send a warning to the UAC on Earth about a colleague's teleportation experiments. However, as he tried to explain the situation to me, another teleportation test takes place and loses containment, at which point the entire Mars base is swept with an incredible shockwave, transforming most of the base's personnel into zombies as the forces of Hell invade through the teleporter's portal.

    Now forced to fend off attacks from zombified base personnel and the demons from Hell, I return to Mars City, where I'm remotely given orders to link up with another squad of marines (Bravo Team) and get a transmission card containing a distress call to the main communications facility to call for reinforcements. Our marine squad was ambushed by demons and slaughtered in the EnPro Plant, and although I recovered the transmission card, I was too late to prevent the bulk of equipment at the communications facility being destroyed. Upon arriving at Delta Labs, I learn of the details of an archaeological dig under the surface of Mars. The dig was excavating the ruins of an ancient civilization discovered on Mars, and had produced a relic known as the Soul Cube. According to a scientist I found alive in the labs, the Soul Cube is a weapon created by the ancient civilization to defend against the forces of Hell.

    Upon my discovery of the portal, I was taken directly into Hell, where I proceeded to fight my way through the large number of demons to the Soul Cube, defeating its demonic guardian. I was then able to reinitialize the teleportation equipment left by research expeditions into Hell and return to the Delta Labs. It was here I found the BFG 9000. It was with this weapon I was able to defeat the Cyberdemon in combat. This is the first time I have been able to open up about these killings. icon_cry.gif


    Thats all fine and dandy but what level were you? Thats the important part icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 14, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
    This is a touchy subject for me. I have been in the Marines now for two years now...and yes, I do know a few people who have talked about these things. I am going to be very clear: I have NOT killed a single person while being in.

    I would not talk about these things, partly because it goes against my morals and ethics. Most Marines should have enough common sense to not "brag", or talk about these things anyways.

    Are you sure this guy was even a service member?? Everyone I know who has experienced close combat; especially my marines I work with, would never talk about such things, or brag about them. Most tend to have ptsd and are very sensitive to such issues. If not, it still goes against the basic leadership traits and morals. If any guy comes up to me, and starts talking to me about people he's killed, I'll deck him across the face for his stupidity.
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    Jun 14, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
    No, I think it's pretty vile to brag about something like that.