Bareback blogs, deceit, and pathological domination

  • NickoftheNort...

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    Aug 07, 2007 11:47 PM GMT
    Earlier this year, I came across a group of blogs that detail the barebacking practices of some gay bloggers; several of them have deeply disturbed me due to their descriptions of how the bloggers in question deceived the men they fucked with regards to condoms, either by faking that they put them on or disabling the condom for what effectually is barebacking. I should point out that the barebacking in these cases tend to include ejaculating inside the bottom men.

    They disturb me to the point that I want to bring them to other gay men's attention as a means of awareness-raising; these practices are hideous and take sexual domination to the point of being a illness couched in a perverse form of Libertarianism (one where they claim freedom of action and morality for themselves, yet deny their victims that freedom).

    I cannot vouch for their veracity, but I have no (IMO) good reason to doubt their accounts.

    Two of the blogs in question are:
    Confessions of a bareback top - http://confessionsofabarebacktop.blogspot.com ; he describes a particularly revolting episode here: http://confessionsofabarebacktop.blogspot.com/2007/06/condom.html

    rawTOP's bareback blog - http://www.rawtop.com/blog/

    The former blog has been featured in articles on Gawker - http://gawker.com/news/top/crossing-the-line-confessions-of-a-bareback-top-speaks--out-of-his-ass-219852.php - and Queerty - http://www.queerty.com/queer/blogs/bareback-blog-makes-us-sick-20061023.php - both of which condemn it for the blogger's actions

    One blogger that is part of the group is a bottom and experienced a similar violation first-hand: http://chroniclesofayoungslut.blogspot.com/2007/05/oops.html

    I am personally further revolted and frightened by this callousness on the part of bloggers due to my own submissive bottomhood; I've experienced the violation of rape, yet this form of violation, based on the descriptions, sounds equally if not more horrific than what I experienced.

    Any thoughts on these bloggers, their blogs, or any of the other aspects of this?
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Aug 07, 2007 11:49 PM GMT
    PS: I apologize for having such downer-topics as my first forum thread-starts; I will look for something cheerful to discuss within the near future.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Aug 08, 2007 1:10 AM GMT
    Another post that was particular revolting: http://confessionsofabarebacktop.blogspot.com/2006/12/its-been-whilelatin-bitch-got-what-he.html >:-(
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    Aug 08, 2007 6:06 AM GMT
    I wonder whether these stories are true. They seem more like erotic fiction to me.

    Buyer beware.
  • cityguy39

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    Aug 08, 2007 1:09 PM GMT
    I got the same feeling, that the blog was full of erotic stories. But who knows.
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    Aug 08, 2007 6:50 PM GMT
    Good topic.

    But mutual respect is key. Perhaps one should get to know the person that they are engaging sexual activities with.
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    Aug 08, 2007 7:36 PM GMT
    I found this confrontation entry by rawTOP against Confessions, which supports the idea that the latter is largely fabricated: http://www.rawtop.com/blog/2007/06/confessions-of-bareback-top-is-fiction.html

    I apologize for my alarmism; the idea of it still disturbs me though.
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    Aug 09, 2007 5:47 AM GMT
    I also find it difficult to believe that someone in New York, having such a promiscuous lifestyle could remain HIV negative or STD-free for any length of time. That, for me, is the most unbelievable part of his story.
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    Aug 09, 2007 8:47 PM GMT
    I think I'm with the fiction theorists, but I wonder does the phenomenon occur? It seems rather dodgy
  • maximumrisk

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    Aug 09, 2007 10:01 PM GMT
    I am asking myself if the difference is not senseable for the one that gets fucked. I mean, I never did it Bareback before(neither active nor passive)
    It wouldnt surprise me if guys like that make a HIV test and get totally surprised "How can I be positive?"
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    Aug 20, 2007 3:29 AM GMT
    I do not remember the name of this documentary film about meth sex addicts in NYC... This film has actualy footages of men having sex hihg on crystal, with the body parts cut off from the camera, but facial expression and the smoking of the sbustances in full view...

    And I do remember reading the review of this documentary film, and the reviewer was reporting his horror when some subjects nonchalantly announced to the camera that they have just lied to multipe supposedly HIV neg sexual partners that they are also HIV neg and topped and ejaculated into everyone of these sexual partners... They were sort of proud that they got away with deceiving their multiple partners to have bareback sex with them, sort of like how a teenager is thrilled at getting away with shop lifting, and laughing at how "stupid" others who fell for their tricks are....

    I think this kind of behavior can and has been taken to court many times...

    But what I am saying is, now days with meth addicts all over the places, the mentioned bloggers may actually be real.. Who knows?
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    Aug 21, 2007 4:41 PM GMT
    Since my blog was one of the ones mentioned (rawtop.com), I'll chime in...

    If you don't want to bareback, then don't - but leave judgments out of it. There are those of us who like to bareback. We choose to do it and frankly how we fuck is none of your business.

    The fact of the matter is I'd guess most gay guys have fucked bareback at least on occasion. So being judgmental about something that most people are doing is pretty futile.

    As far as the deceit. Sure, there might be a few people out there who do it, but I think they're pretty rare. In the vast majority of cases guys just want to fuck and if you insist on a condom chances are they'll just find someone else to fuck.

    A lot of the more spectacular stories you read are almost certainly fiction... I'm not saying they can't be true, but this is one area where a lot of guys have some serious jack-off fantasies. So don't get your panties all in a wad over the stories - they probably aren't even true...

    I am curious though what you found so disturbing about my blog? I'm not forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do... Maybe you just don't like the idea of HIV- guys who fuck raw...
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    Aug 23, 2007 2:38 PM GMT
    "We choose to do it and frankly how we fuck is none of your business."

    Actually, it literally is our business because barebacking, and the spread of diseases that goes along with it, is a burden on the public.
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    Sep 19, 2007 11:31 AM GMT
    paradoxActually, it literally is our business because barebacking, and the spread of diseases that goes along with it, is a burden on the public.


    So you'd be in favor of throwing anyone in jail who fucks without a rubber? Don't you see the problem with that? Since when have thought it was a good idea to have the government in our bedroom?

    If you think that's too extreme, who draws the line of what's acceptable? Trust me - if you go that route, you won't like where it's drawn...

    Compare it to overeating, which makes some people into type II diabetics, and smoking, which gives people lung cancer. People have YEARS where they can change their behavior and avoid medical issues, but the outcry against overeating and smoking isn't nearly as vitriolic as the outcry over barebacking.

    People overeat, they smoke, and the fuck without rubbers. Get used to it.
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    Sep 19, 2007 12:56 PM GMT
    I'm not at all suggesting that we need a police state to control stupid, selfish, self-destructive people. All I'm saying is that barebackers are not living in some vacuum, disconnected from the rest of society. Barebacking spreads disease, and that is a financial burden on society as a whole. So, in that sense, the way barebackers fuck literally is everyone else's business.
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    Sep 01, 2009 8:06 AM GMT
    Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with two people having consensual bareback sex whether either of them is positive or negative or both are. What I have issues with are people who lie about their HIV status and people who complain about being infected after agreeing to have bareback sex with a stranger who lied about their status or maybe someone who lately tested negative but was actually positive.

    My point is, people make these decisions for themselves and they should always be aware of the risk they're putting themselves in and whatever outcome they may be facing. You're not a victim unless you were tied up, had a weapon pointed on and totally helpless. That bottom blogger could've easily kicked his partner off him in his position if he really wanted to. Somehow he also made that decision to give in. I've been there. I've been that young bottom boy who liked being overpowered by the top. So I would know a thing about it. It's usually that split-second of decision that usually kills us. It's time these people should own up to their decisions.

    And I just don't think it's right that people, who prefer doing it safe, should be condemning people, who likes to bareback, just because they think they're doing the "righteous thing" or being "socially responsible". It's bad enough already that you're categorizing us in just one box. Some of us actually go through the trouble of informing our partners of our HIV status before we even go through with it. I've met a couple of people who actually don't mind and some negative guys even go through the trouble of chasing after guys who are infected.

    As for the issues on being a burden to government health care, I really can't say much since I'm from another country and we have a totally different perspective when it comes to these things. Although I have to say that each citizen is a burden at some level to his/her government. That's where legislators step in to draw the line where and how each citizen should be taken care of. These systems are never perfect. That's why they are constantly undergoing through change and change isn't something that happens overnight.
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    Sep 01, 2009 1:52 PM GMT


    rawTOP, treatment for HIV is expensive. Getting overweight can be un-done. HIV cannot.

    You play a dangerous game with your own health, the health of others, and the capricious public who could abruptly demand, after seeing these blogs aired on national/international television, that HIV treatment no longer be covered by the public purse or private insurance for those infections NOT caught by transfusion, accidental puncture wounds in heath care settings etc. The results of that would be catastrophic.

    Try and look at the bigger picture.





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    Sep 02, 2009 5:28 AM GMT
    wow
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    meninlove said

    rawTOP, treatment for HIV is expensive. Getting overweight can be un-done. HIV cannot.

    You play a dangerous game with your own health, the health of others, and the capricious public who could abruptly demand, after seeing these blogs aired on national/international television, that HIV treatment no longer be covered by the public purse or private insurance for those infections NOT caught by transfusion, accidental puncture wounds in heath care settings etc. The results of that would be catastrophic.

    Try and look at the bigger picture.







    If fear of the capricious public is your motivation, than the slippery slope you choose by worrying what they think will bring more peril than your judgement of barebackers. If it were up to the moral majority, you, as a gay person really do not need to be cluttering up society, period. So the truth is, that barebacking is a choice for consenting adults. If you are against it, don't do it. All barebackers I know in my circle of play partners only play with other Poz barebackers. I pay my taxes and I pay for my health insurance. The public has no right to tell me what to do with my body just like they have no right to tell a woman whether she cannot kill her unborn baby, so your argument is a fallacy. Society has become so dependent on someone or some entity to regulate everything that personal responsibility s thrown out the window. I was passed out drunk and got fucked bare by a looser with HIV. I could blame him, but I was the one who chose to drink myself to oblivion and I am solely responsible for what happened to me. Had I behaved responsibly, I would have stayed sober enough to know that my ass was being taken raw. The guy who took advantage will have to live or die with the karma that is due him, but that does not absolve me for my single act of irresponsibility that changed my life. I now accept my cards that I help deal myself, and move forward. I inform 100% of the time of my status and never knowingly BB with a neg bug chaser. This issue can be debated until hell freezes over, and you will not change my mind or rarely, if ever, anyone else. That is fine with me. Personal responsibilty rules the day and bogus fallacy arguments of the 'bigger picture' will not succeed. We can point/counterpoint forever, and the facts will not change. How about being productive and try influencing people to stop doing crystal meth and abusing alcohol etc. and then they will be better capable of making responsible choices with the rest of their health.
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    meninlove said

    rawTOP, treatment for HIV is expensive. Getting overweight can be un-done. HIV cannot.

    You play a dangerous game with your own health, the health of others, and the capricious public who could abruptly demand, after seeing these blogs aired on national/international television, that HIV treatment no longer be covered by the public purse or private insurance for those infections NOT caught by transfusion, accidental puncture wounds in heath care settings etc. The results of that would be catastrophic.

    Try and look at the bigger picture.







    And finally, if the govt would quit sending billions to Africa for HIV/AIDS treatment, when they continue to hate Americans regardless, we could very easily pay for treatment as a nation for healthcare without additional tax burden on the public.
  • bottomline

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    Sep 22, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    Hay... Your posts are not downers. I have read couple of your posts and loved them. This is sickening but I am not surprised, there are all kinds of sick people out there. I am going to use this post and the links on it to educate all my friends and bottoms i come across. It is worthy of much attention.

    Thanks for the post.

    P.S. I think we talked about your main pic. What is wrong with the purple T one????
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    Sep 22, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    Nick, you are seriously underestimating your bottom's intuition if you think a guy is going to seem perfectly above board and then sneak the condom off once you bend over. I'm sure it's possible, some guys are pigs, but they aren't fooling anyone. Someone here said it best, know the men you lay down with well! Most of the time, bare backers commit the sin of TMI way before they even get naked. Strike up a convo about cumming attractions if you don't believe me, you'll get the ear raping of our times and enough rope to hang him with.
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    Dec 23, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth you need to get a life!

    NickoftheNorth saidEarlier this year, I came across a group of blogs that detail the barebacking practices of some gay bloggers; several of them have deeply disturbed me due to their descriptions of how the bloggers in question deceived the men they fucked with regards to condoms, either by faking that they put them on or disabling the condom for what effectually is barebacking. I should point out that the barebacking in these cases tend to include ejaculating inside the bottom men.

    They disturb me to the point that I want to bring them to other gay men's attention as a means of awareness-raising; these practices are hideous and take sexual domination to the point of being a illness couched in a perverse form of Libertarianism (one where they claim freedom of action and morality for themselves, yet deny their victims that freedom).

    I cannot vouch for their veracity, but I have no (IMO) good reason to doubt their accounts.

    Two of the blogs in question are:
    Confessions of a bareback top - http://confessionsofabarebacktop.blogspot.com ; he describes a particularly revolting episode here: http://confessionsofabarebacktop.blogspot.com/2007/06/condom.html

    rawTOP's bareback blog - http://www.rawtop.com/blog/

    The former blog has been featured in articles on Gawker - http://gawker.com/news/top/crossing-the-line-confessions-of-a-bareback-top-speaks--out-of-his-ass-219852.php - and Queerty - http://www.queerty.com/queer/blogs/bareback-blog-makes-us-sick-20061023.php - both of which condemn it for the blogger's actions

    One blogger that is part of the group is a bottom and experienced a similar violation first-hand: http://chroniclesofayoungslut.blogspot.com/2007/05/oops.html

    I am personally further revolted and frightened by this callousness on the part of bloggers due to my own submissive bottomhood; I've experienced the violation of rape, yet this form of violation, based on the descriptions, sounds equally if not more horrific than what I experienced.

    Any thoughts on these bloggers, their blogs, or any of the other aspects of this?
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    Jun 23, 2010 4:21 AM GMT
    Flash a "raw Top" my ass and cause a meltdown. That's my idea of fun!!
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    Apr 15, 2011 5:29 AM GMT
    My blow (www.rawjock.com) wasn't mentioned but its the same theme as these other bareback blogs. I agree with RAWTOP's post if you don't like bareback, don't bareback!

    PS: The term used for telling a guy you will use a condom then taking it off anyway discretly is called "stealthing" I've learned this reading other bb blogs.

    Tyler 19 y/o (USA)
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