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    Aug 08, 2007 12:19 AM GMT
    So I want to take a protein supplement (shake form), but there are many kinds, and I don't know what times I should take it. When I go online to check out the different types of protein powders, I feel like I'm getting very little real information and a lot of marketing. What I'm looking to do is gain muscle and continue burning fat.

    What do I look for in a protein powder besides high protein and low fat/carbs per serving?

    Is there really a difference between soy and whey?

    When should I take the supplement?
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    Aug 08, 2007 3:16 AM GMT
    There IS a lot of marketing and hype.

    I've experimented a lot and prefer whey protein drinks. I have found very few brands that are actually healthy, however. So read labels carefully. Several of them are high enough in saturated fat that you might as well just make yourself an omelet, rather than deal with the fat and processed ingredients. Several also have sugar substitutes, which I find disagree with my system. I look for low fat, and am much more laid back about the carbs... I'd rather just adjust the rest of the day's food to compensate (and I only use shakes as a boost, never more than a few times a week).

    I am part of the camp that doesn't think large amounts of soy are healthy for men who are looking to add muscle mass. Soy containts phytoestrogens (which not everyone is sensitive to) that in theory might lower your testosterone levels slightly. This is hotly debated, but I have no issues with dairy and therefore just give it the benefit of the doubt.

    A protein shake can be a great way to quickly replenish the body after a workout. I also know people who have had good results with shakes in the morning, or mid afternoon.
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    Aug 08, 2007 6:50 PM GMT
    You are 19 dont appear overtly muscled no offence so why take protein powders?

    Yuo would be far better off getting to grips with nutrition and spending your hard earned cash on a personal trainer to help you achieve your goal
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    Aug 09, 2007 1:22 AM GMT
    Living in a dorm, it's difficult to keep meat and other sources of protein, except canned tuna. So, I figure protein powders could help supplement my diet. I just want to make sure I pick a good one.
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    Aug 09, 2007 2:06 AM GMT
    Whey protein is far better than soy protein. There is a fair amount of research to suggest that soy protein doesn't do a lot to assist in muscle growth.

    You should also remember that, like anything in the body, too much protein is going to be either excreted or (in the case of energy) stored in your fat cells. The recommended amount of protein is 1.5g per kilo of bodyweight. Keep in mind that this is total protein, so it needs to include all the sources you get protein from.

    Be careful of fat laden, high caloric and high GI powder supplements. In Australia, I get a very pure, basic whey protein powder, with no flavours or added yahoo's. It's sold in the health food shop not as a body building supplement but as a vegetarian alternative protein supplement. I then mix it with skim milk, banana's, berries or whatever. Its a lot cheaper than Choco Flavoured Big Boy brand or whatever and I at least know what I'm putting into my shake.

    Good luck.
  • UStriathlete

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    Aug 09, 2007 2:59 AM GMT
    jarrow makes the cleanest, best whey protein out on the market.
    www.jarrow.com

    i know, i work in the industry, for the past 11 years.
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    Aug 09, 2007 3:53 AM GMT
    Strangely, once I became a lacto-ovo vegetarian I started to put on more muscle than I ever had. I went from 140lbs at 10% body fat to 152lbs at 10% since September, and only working out seriously for about 2 months of that. My intake of protein is only about 15% of my diet (which is the American Council of Excercise reccommendation although I think very few guys here would agree with that).

    Getting the right kinds of carbs (complex) and eating them at the right time (biggest carb meal within 30 mins of working out) helps my recovery and growth. I am not nearly as fatigued the next day.
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    Aug 09, 2007 3:58 AM GMT
    Oh yeah, heh, a comment on protien powder...

    I use Muscle Milk and it seems to be an excellent source of protien.
  • CurvDkBlkTop

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    Aug 09, 2007 5:30 AM GMT
    FYI

    I have had success using ISOPURE and MuscleTech NitroTech as protein suppliments. The Isopure mixed much faster and easier than the NitroTech, and tasted better when i mixed with water and/or gatorade.

    Good luck with your fitness/physique objectives
  • MikemikeMike

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    Aug 09, 2007 8:09 AM GMT
    I like On whey protein, but if you don't lift it is better to just eat more protein. Cheapest at www.dpsnutrition.com Go For It!!
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    Aug 09, 2007 9:35 AM GMT
    You are too young to worry about Shingles, but use soy protein in moderation, and make sure to get plenty of whey protein to balance out your amino acids. In the same way soy protein can encourage Shingles, it can also encourage fever blisters. Check out the technical names for Shingles and fever blisters to learn more.
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    Aug 09, 2007 12:16 PM GMT
    I use a really great product called Ground Turkey Breast. High protein, very low carbs, and it is, as they say, "all natural."

    For dinner, I take a pound of ground turkey breast (112g protein, 0g carbs, 4g fat), divide it up into four patties, add spices, and cook them up, and eat them (no buns, no ketchup, sometimes Worchester sauce).

    Oh yeah, another good supplement is a product called "Egg Whites." Cook up a dozen egg whites with some vegetables into a huge omlette/scramble thing. Again, very high protein and almost no fat.

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    Aug 13, 2007 1:03 AM GMT
    ...yeah, i do the exact same thing with ground turkey, except i also throw along some grilled veggies. have to ask, though, do you eat an entire pound of turkey meat for one dinner? because if so...

    ...damn, that's a lot of turkey.
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    Aug 13, 2007 1:14 AM GMT
    innerathlete: Yeah. I usually take a pound of ground turkey breast, divide it into four burget patties, and eat all four. I'll have vegetables, but never any buns or anything, so as long as I'm eating slowly, it doesn't fill me up.

    Keep in mind, though, I'm trying to build up a little bit -- I'd probably be eating less if I were just maintaining.
  • DiverScience

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    Aug 13, 2007 4:01 AM GMT
    Philibuster:

    Just so you know, Shingles knows no age limits. It's caused by the same bug as chickenpox, but is seen in people with compromised immune systems.

    My 23 year old coworker has shingles right now (ew yuck).

    Basically though, you don't need to worry about shingles unless you're doing something to compromise your immune system, such as exhausting yourself to an extreme level for a long period of time.



    I am curious though, do you have a link to the article/study on soy and shingles? I've never heard that connection made before and I can't find anything remotely related to it in PubMed....
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    Aug 13, 2007 6:06 AM GMT
    I learned an interesting fact on the Abs Diet--ricotta cheese is whey protein! So now I use ricotta instead of mayo.
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    Aug 13, 2007 9:33 AM GMT
    DiverScience, the link between soy and shingles is only anecdotal. Actually, it's just me. I was trying to figure out what might have made me susceptable to shingles. Two things were going on at the time: I was getting way too much overtime at work and I had recently added soy nuts to my diet. I was eating about 40 grams of soy nuts a day. If you do a search on "shingles arginine lysine," you'll find that arginine promotes herpes zoster, and lysine inhibits it. (http://alternative-medicine-and-health.com/conditions/shingles.htm) With a little more googling {"arginine lysine ratios in food")I found out that soy protein has a much more arginine than lysine, while the opposite is true for whey protein. (http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/diet_and_nutrition_with_herpes.htm)
  • DiverScience

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    Aug 13, 2007 12:18 PM GMT
    Most likely the overtime was what "caused" the shingles (or more correctly allowed it to get a foothold), though the amino imbalance in the soy may have aided the process.

    Some of the most common people to get shingles besides the obvious (people with immunodeficiency diseases and old folks) are college students and young athletes who regularly wear themselves to the point of complete system wide exhaustion (roughly the same reason college students often go home for winter break and promptly get sick).
  • SteveEminger

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    Jul 10, 2012 10:01 AM GMT
    Protein drinks, also know as the well-known smoothies, are really a basic mixture of various nuts, fruit and also milk. Musclemen primarily like drinks as it's a huge help in the bodybuilding activity, plus it enhances the function of our own gastrointestinal tract. Protein drinks can strengthen our metabolism and allow us to eliminate extra fat incredibly easier.



    You can also find many other food items, that can help you begin the morning in a most suitable way, for instance, grape fruit or even orange juice. There are many different sources of protein.They're packed with nutritional vitamins, minerals and also healthy proteins too. Alternatively, you are able to sip milk each morning which we recommend for those who don’t have symptoms of lactose intolerance.

    There's something you need to keep away from, and that is certainly to start out the day with a coffee. It usually is advisable to have a full cup of pure juice. It is usually not advised to pass up your own morning meal simply because you can come to feel fatigued and sleepy. To avert this, generally try and have a nutritious morning meal.