Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will

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    May 30, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
    He and Dick Cheney seem to have a lot in common when it comes to certain policies despised by the anti-war crowd.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=3&hp&pagewanted=all

    This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from the intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties. The mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook layout. Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who looked even younger than her 17 years.

    President Obama, overseeing the regular Tuesday counterterrorism meeting of two dozen security officials in the White House Situation Room, took a moment to study the faces. It was Jan. 19, 2010, the end of a first year in office punctuated by terrorist plots and culminating in a brush with catastrophe over Detroit on Christmas Day, a reminder that a successful attack could derail his presidency. Yet he faced adversaries without uniforms, often indistinguishable from the civilians around them.

    “How old are these people?” he asked, according to two officials present. “If they are starting to use children,” he said of Al Qaeda, “we are moving into a whole different phase.”

    It was not a theoretical question: Mr. Obama has placed himself at the helm of a top secret “nominations” process to designate terrorists for kill or capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical. He had vowed to align the fight against Al Qaeda with American values; the chart, introducing people whose deaths he might soon be asked to order, underscored just what a moral and legal conundrum this could be.

    Mr. Obama is the liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war and torture, and then insisted on approving every new name on an expanding “kill list,” poring over terrorist suspects’ biographies on what one official calls the macabre “baseball cards” of an unconventional war. When a rare opportunity for a drone strike at a top terrorist arises — but his family is with him — it is the president who has reserved to himself the final moral calculation.
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    May 30, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidHe and Dick Cheney seem to have a lot in common when it comes to certain policies despised by the anti-war crowd.

    There is a difference. Cheney was willing to have water poured on their faces to encourage them to talk. Even die-hard liberals agree when presented with the scenario of a loved one in a city with a dirty bomb. The only hope to save the loved one is to pour some water. The liberals agree with pouring water. But not Mr. Ideologue. Kill 'em so we can't do something beneath our standards like boarding 'em. And the benefit - we get no information either.
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    May 30, 2012 1:19 AM GMT
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    riddler78 saidHe and Dick Cheney seem to have a lot in common when it comes to certain policies despised by the anti-war crowd.

    There is a difference. Cheney was willing to have water poured on their faces to encourage them to talk. Even die-hard liberals agree when presented with the scenario of a loved one in a city with a dirty bomb. The only hope to save the loved one is to pour some water. The liberals agree with pouring water. But not Mr. Ideologue. Kill 'em so we can't do something beneath our standards like boarding 'em. And the benefit - we get no information either.


    Cheney's a pussy. He dodged the draft and sent poor kids to do his dirty work. That you find him someone worthy of emulating speaks volumes about your own chicken hawk status.

    In case you don't know, counterterrorism isn't exactly like "24" and with the exception of the unhinged or guilty parties, the vast majority of intelligence officials will tell you that torture doesn't work.

    If you had the stones to a) fight in a war or b) take on an Al Qaeda member one-on-one, maybe your views would be less pathetic.
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    May 30, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
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    riddler78 saidHe and Dick Cheney seem to have a lot in common when it comes to certain policies despised by the anti-war crowd.

    There is a difference. Cheney was willing to have water poured on their faces to encourage them to talk. Even die-hard liberals agree when presented with the scenario of a loved one in a city with a dirty bomb. The only hope to save the loved one is to pour some water. The liberals agree with pouring water. But not Mr. Ideologue. Kill 'em so we can't do something beneath our standards like boarding 'em. And the benefit - we get no information either.


    Cheney's a pussy. He dodged the draft and sent poor kids to do his dirty work. That you find him someone worthy of emulating speaks volumes about your own chicken hawk status.

    In case you don't know, counterterrorism isn't exactly like "24" and with the exception of the unhinged or guilty parties, the vast majority of intelligence officials will tell you that torture doesn't work.

    If you had the stones to a) fight in a war or b) take on an Al Qaeda member one-on-one, maybe your views would be less pathetic.

    The FBI and military say it doesn't work, but they don't practice it. The CIA including Directors says it does work. As far as military background, I would put mine against yours anytime. Did you even serve, or is all your knowledge from the Huff Post?
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    May 30, 2012 2:10 AM GMT
    You think he has added Trump to his list yet?