White House: Obama misspoke on 'Polish death camp'

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    May 30, 2012 3:57 AM GMT
    More of that insulting friends and appeasing those that hate the West from the Obama Administration...

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gFpSJq1kUq5nLnHxu5Nt0dYupYFg?docId=c07ecbb13fc34340950bc75ee374c128

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House said President Barack Obama misspoke on Tuesday when he referred to a "Polish death camp" while honoring a Polish war hero.

    The president's remark had drawn immediate complaints from Poles who said Obama should have called it a "German death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland," to distinguish the perpetrators from the location. Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski called it a matter of "ignorance and incompetence."
    Obama made the comment while awarding the Medal of Freedom to Jan Karski, a resistance fighter against the Nazi occupation of Poland during World War II. Karski died in 2000.

    During an East Room ceremony honoring 13 Medal of Freedom recipients, Obama said that Karski "served as a courier for the Polish resistance during the darkest days of World War II. Before one trip across enemy lines, resistance fighters told him that Jews were being murdered on a massive scale and smuggled him into the Warsaw Ghetto and a Polish death camp to see for himself. Jan took that information to President Franklin Roosevelt, giving one of the first accounts of the Holocaust and imploring to the world to take action."
    Sikorski tweeted that the White House would apologize for "this outrageous error" and that Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk would address the matter on Wednesday.
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    May 30, 2012 4:09 AM GMT
    Please. Does the faux outrage machine ever end?
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    May 30, 2012 1:57 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidPlease. Does the faux outrage machine ever end?


    The outrage is from foreign politicians. It's hardly the first gaffe.
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    May 30, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
    Just ignorant and arrogant because he doesn't give a damn. Reminds me of the gift to the British PM of a DVD encoded to the North American format and locked to the North American Region. And you would expect him to know anything about the world?
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    May 30, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
    The controversy continues in Poland:

    "Obama Nazi death camp gaffe 'hurt all Poles': PM"
    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/obama-nazi-death-camp-gaffe-hurt-poles-pm-110505006.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CZgB8ZP_i0AndzQtDMD[/url]

    Poland’s prime minister said Wednesday that remarks by President Barack Obama erroneously identifying a Nazi death camp as Polish had hurt all Poles and he expected more from the US than “regret”.

    “I am convinced that our American friends can today allow themselves a stronger reaction than a simple expression of regret from the White House spokesman — a reaction more inclined to eliminate once and for all these kinds of errors,” Donald Tusk told reporters in Warsaw.

    Obama on Tuesday mistakenly called a Nazi facility used to process Jews for execution as a “Polish death camp.” The White House later said the president “misspoke” and expressed “regret”.

    The linguistic faux pas overshadowed his posthumous award of America’s highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, to Jan Karski, a former Polish anti-Nazi underground officer who provided the Allied powers with early eyewitness accounts of the Germany’s Holocaust against Jews.
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    May 30, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidPlease. Does the faux outrage machine ever end?


    The outrage is from foreign politicians. It's hardly the first gaffe.


    It's an obvious misstatement and anyone - foreign or domestic - who is hemming and hawing over it is making a fool of themselves. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 30, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidPlease. Does the faux outrage machine ever end?


    The outrage is from foreign politicians. It's hardly the first gaffe.


    It's an obvious misstatement and anyone - foreign or domestic - who is hemming and hawing over it is making a fool of themselves. icon_rolleyes.gif



    True, no one should EVER question ANYTHING Obama does or says --- EVER! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 30, 2012 3:46 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidPlease. Does the faux outrage machine ever end?


    The outrage is from foreign politicians. It's hardly the first gaffe.


    It's an obvious misstatement and anyone - foreign or domestic - who is hemming and hawing over it is making a fool of themselves. icon_rolleyes.gif

    As was the case with Sarah Palin? And while we're at it, how many states does Obama think there are?
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    May 30, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    Obama thinks our military personal are corpsemen....lol

    About time to get out the teleprompter again.
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    May 30, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 saidPlease. Does the faux outrage machine ever end?


    The outrage is from foreign politicians. It's hardly the first gaffe.


    It's an obvious misstatement and anyone - foreign or domestic - who is hemming and hawing over it is making a fool of themselves. icon_rolleyes.gif

    As was the case with Sarah Palin? And while we're at it, how many states does Obama think there are?


    Which Palin gaffe are you referring to? The list is endless.

    This whole "gotcha" sound bite thing is tedious and indicative of a lack of intelligence on the right.

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    May 31, 2012 6:41 AM GMT
    jock_1 saidObama thinks our military personal are corpsemen....lol

    About time to get out the teleprompter again.




    This is a fact. Take away Obama's teleprompter, and you've got trouble.
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    May 31, 2012 8:23 AM GMT
    Now if Mitt had done this the outrage would be deafening with cries of, off with his head thats just unforgivable. But since Obama done it, it's all good and OK, were it should be just as unforgiveable.
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    May 31, 2012 8:52 AM GMT
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    Jun 01, 2012 6:05 AM GMT
    Despite the fact some would rather this be a manufactured controversy pushed by Republicans or "enemies" of the Obama Administration, the reality is that there are some pretty upset people and genuinely offended people in Poland.

    It's a story that doesn't want to die:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/polish-president-writes-obama-death-camp-gaffe/story?id=16462942#.T8dqbb8YJ-V

    Poland's President Bronislaw Komorowski said Wednesday he had written a personal letter to President Barack Obama urging him to do more to correct the record after Obama referred to "a Polish death camp" in a White House ceremony on Tuesday.

    "I hope we will jointly act to make up for this unfortunate mistake. I believe that every error, every mistake can be corrected if it is given adequate consideration," Komorowski said in remarks posted on his official website.

    Komorowski stopped well short of explicitly demanding an apology from Obama, who used the phrase Tuesday as he honored World War II Polish resistance hero Jan Karski with a posthumous Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian American honor. Poland's foreign minister had demanded a full apology late Tuesday. But Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk made no reference to an apology on Wednesday even as he blasted Obama's remark.

    The phrase shocked Polish leaders and echoed across media in Poland, where the remark was seen as suggesting that Poles — not Nazis — carried out the genocidal policies of Adolf Hitler. Obama's past comments all-but-certainly refute that interpretation, and the White House has said he merely "misspoke."
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    Jun 01, 2012 7:33 AM GMT
    This is a very delicate issue in Poland. No doubt due to the German lobbyism, the horrible WWII crimes are no longer called German, just Nazi, as if the Nazis were some separate tribe, not a party enjoying an overwhelming support of the German nation till it started losing the war. Another step on this way is to call the concentration camps Polish, just to spread the confusion further. Not so long ago, the NYT called Dachau a Polish concentration camp, despite it being located in Germany. It is rightly seen as outrageous in a country which suffered terribly under the German occupation during the WWII and lost some 6 mln citizens due to it.
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    Jun 01, 2012 12:05 PM GMT
    I'm beginning to remember why there was all those Polish jokes in the 1980s. icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 01, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
    I wonder if Poland will get pissed and put Obama in front of their firing squad.

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    Jun 01, 2012 12:53 PM GMT
    Radamisto saidThis is a very delicate issue in Poland. No doubt due to the German lobbyism, the horrible WWII crimes are no longer called German, just Nazi, as if the Nazis were some separate tribe, not a party enjoying an overwhelming support of the German nation till it started losing the war. Another step on this way is to call the concentration camps Polish, just to spread the confusion further. Not so long ago, the NYT called Dachau a Polish concentration camp, despite it being located in Germany. It is rightly seen as outrageous in a country which suffered terribly under the German occupation during the WWII and lost some 6 mln citizens due to it.

    Very well said. Mistakes are one thing, but the failure to acknowledge their impact and make sincere apologies are another matter.
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    Radamisto saidThis is a very delicate issue in Poland. No doubt due to the German lobbyism, the horrible WWII crimes are no longer called German, just Nazi, as if the Nazis were some separate tribe, not a party enjoying an overwhelming support of the German nation till it started losing the war. Another step on this way is to call the concentration camps Polish, just to spread the confusion further. Not so long ago, the NYT called Dachau a Polish concentration camp, despite it being located in Germany. It is rightly seen as outrageous in a country which suffered terribly under the German occupation during the WWII and lost some 6 mln citizens due to it.

    Very well said. Mistakes are one thing, but the failure to acknowledge their impact and make sincere apologies are another matter.


    For some liberals who seem so sensitive/pc about any wide number of topics - it's remarkable how casually dismissive they are about a really miserable time in history. Of course that's why they insist on using the contraction rather the full name of 'national socialist' for that little party in Germany who they are so fond of associating those on the right with.
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    Jun 01, 2012 8:24 PM GMT
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    Radamisto saidThis is a very delicate issue in Poland. No doubt due to the German lobbyism, the horrible WWII crimes are no longer called German, just Nazi, as if the Nazis were some separate tribe, not a party enjoying an overwhelming support of the German nation till it started losing the war. Another step on this way is to call the concentration camps Polish, just to spread the confusion further. Not so long ago, the NYT called Dachau a Polish concentration camp, despite it being located in Germany. It is rightly seen as outrageous in a country which suffered terribly under the German occupation during the WWII and lost some 6 mln citizens due to it.

    Very well said. Mistakes are one thing, but the failure to acknowledge their impact and make sincere apologies are another matter.


    For some liberals who seem so sensitive/pc about any wide number of topics - it's remarkable how casually dismissive they are about a really miserable time in history. Of course that's why they insist on using the contraction rather the full name of 'national socialist' for that little party in Germany who they are so fond of associating those on the right with.


    We're not dismissive at all. But there's a difference between Obama making an inartful but true statement "Polish camp" (i.e. a camp in Poland) and Pat Buchanan suggesting that African Americans should be thankful for the boat ride to America.

    In terms of National Socialist Party, this has been explained umpteenth times to you, so I won't bother to again demonstrate your historical ignorance. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 01, 2012 8:46 PM GMT
    It would seem one of the extremist gadflies insists on pushing the idea that Nazis are "right wing" because I didn't have a specific answer for it before. I did end up doing a bit of research and for anyone's reference as to whether or not the National Socialists (known better today as Nazis) were actually capitalists by another name:

    The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core and stressed the need for the party to emphasize both a proletarian and national character, these views were shared by Otto Strasser who later left the Nazi Party in the belief that Hitler had betrayed the party’s socialist goals by allegedly endorsing capitalism.[31] Large segments of the Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary, and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and economic revolution upon the Party gaining power in Germany in 1933.[33] Of the million members of the SA, many were committed to the Party’s official socialist program.[33] The leader of the Party’s paramilitary organization the SA, Ernst Röhm, supported a “second revolution” (the “first revolution” being the Nazis’ seizure of power) that would entrench the Party’s official socialist program and demanded the replacement of the nonpolitical German army with a Nazi-led army.[33]

    Prior to becoming an anti-Semite and a Nazi, Adolf Hitler had previously served the Bavarian Soviet Republic from 1918 to 1919 where Hitler was elected Deputy Battalion Representative of his communist-led battalion and attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner – who was a German Jew – where Hitler wore a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on his other arm.[34]

    As a Nazi, Hitler both in public and in private, opposed capitalism, Hitler regarded capitalism as having Jewish origins and accused capitalism of holding nations ransom in the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class.[36]

    However Hitler tactically took a pragmatic in-between position between the conservative and radical factions, in that he accepted private property and allowed capitalist private enterprises to exist as long as they obeyed the goals of the Nazi state but if a capitalist private enterprise resisted Nazi goals, he sought to destroy it.[31]


    In fact, reading the Nazi plan, they would find far more in common with the Democrats and OWS of today than they would with the Republican party or libertarians:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
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    Jun 02, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    More here - an article by Hayek -

    http://www.brookesnews.com/091910hayeknazis.html

    And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers — in many cases free from definite party affiliations, was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review "Die Tat" have made the phrase "the end of capitalism" an accepted dogma to most young Germans.

    That the movement in more anti-liberal than anything else is closely connected with another important aspect of it, the anti-rational, mystical and romantic sentiment, which has been growing for years among the youth of Germany. The protest against "liberal intellectualism", which was recently so strongly voiced by the students of the University of Berlin, was not an isolated aberration but a true expression of the feeling of great masses of the people.
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    riddler78 saidIt would seem one of the extremist gadflies insists on pushing the idea that Nazis are "right wing" because I didn't have a specific answer for it before. I did end up doing a bit of research and for anyone's reference as to whether or not the National Socialists (known better today as Nazis) were actually capitalists by another name:

    The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core and stressed the need for the party to emphasize both a proletarian and national character, these views were shared by Otto Strasser who later left the Nazi Party in the belief that Hitler had betrayed the party’s socialist goals by allegedly endorsing capitalism.[31] Large segments of the Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary, and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and economic revolution upon the Party gaining power in Germany in 1933.[33] Of the million members of the SA, many were committed to the Party’s official socialist program.[33] The leader of the Party’s paramilitary organization the SA, Ernst Röhm, supported a “second revolution” (the “first revolution” being the Nazis’ seizure of power) that would entrench the Party’s official socialist program and demanded the replacement of the nonpolitical German army with a Nazi-led army.[33]

    Prior to becoming an anti-Semite and a Nazi, Adolf Hitler had previously served the Bavarian Soviet Republic from 1918 to 1919 where Hitler was elected Deputy Battalion Representative of his communist-led battalion and attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner – who was a German Jew – where Hitler wore a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on his other arm.[34]

    As a Nazi, Hitler both in public and in private, opposed capitalism, Hitler regarded capitalism as having Jewish origins and accused capitalism of holding nations ransom in the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class.[36]

    However Hitler tactically took a pragmatic in-between position between the conservative and radical factions, in that he accepted private property and allowed capitalist private enterprises to exist as long as they obeyed the goals of the Nazi state but if a capitalist private enterprise resisted Nazi goals, he sought to destroy it.[31]


    In fact, reading the Nazi plan, they would find far more in common with the Democrats and OWS of today than they would with the Republican party or libertarians:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program


    You're such a dumbass. Stick with numbers, at least you can feign intelligence in that realm.

    Guess what? It's not a socialist country when you:

    a) kill the people that disagree with you,

    b) kill the people that are different than you and steel their property

    c) attack other countries to expand your empire

    Similarly, the US is no longer a true Republican or capitalist country but an oligarchy or a fascist state (whichever you prefer) where the rights of the public are suppressed to allow business and the wealthy to extract human, financial and natural resources while tens of millions are impoverished.
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    Jun 02, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    More here from a legal scholar:
    http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_07_22-2007_07_28.shtml#1185254785

    The idea that Nazism was an extreme form of "capitalism" and Hitler primarily a tool serving the interests of "big business" is a longstanding myth that even now retains a measure of popularity in some quarters. This, despite the fact that the full name of the Nazi Party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and that Nazi political strategy was explicitly based on combining the appeal of socialism with that of nationalism (thus the choice of name). Once in power, the Nazis even went so far as to institute a Four Year Plan for running the German economy, modeled in large part on the Soviet Union's Five Year Plans.


    A lot more at the link.
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    riddler78 saidMore here from a legal scholar:
    http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_07_22-2007_07_28.shtml#1185254785

    The idea that Nazism was an extreme form of "capitalism" and Hitler primarily a tool serving the interests of "big business" is a longstanding myth that even now retains a measure of popularity in some quarters. This, despite the fact that the full name of the Nazi Party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and that Nazi political strategy was explicitly based on combining the appeal of socialism with that of nationalism (thus the choice of name). Once in power, the Nazis even went so far as to institute a Four Year Plan for running the German economy, modeled in large part on the Soviet Union's Five Year Plans.


    A lot more at the link.


    As usual, riddler argues against positions not being expressed by anyone on the thread. icon_rolleyes.gif