Catholic high schools in Ontario want to refuse the right to a gay-straight alliance. PLEASE SIGN.

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    May 30, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-ontario-s-party-leaders-to-support-all-students-queer-or-straight?utm_campaign=CgmiRmmqrO&utm_medium=email&utm_source=action_alert

    I'm extremely disappointed that this petition is from my own province. I would have thought that most Canadians had got over their bigotry against gay people since it's legal for us to marry and so on.

    Thanks for your support if you sign it.
  • hyperionx

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    May 30, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    It's also worth nothing that the Catholic School Board in Ontario is publicly funded by the provincial government.

    If it was my decision, I would withdraw provincial funding while I was at it.
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    May 30, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Let the Catholics do what they want, it is important that the Catholic children grow to hate the religion like they usually do.
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    May 30, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    hyperionx saidIt's also worth nothing that the Catholic School Board in Ontario is publicly funded by the provincial government.

    If it was my decision, I would withdraw provincial funding while I was at it.


    Agreed. I'm not originally from Ontario, but I've been here for about five years. When I first heard about the Catholic school boards I was shocked. It shouldn't exist, and such a system is unfathomable in my home province. One, secular, public school system for all residents of Ontario, it's that simple. If you want your kids to have a religious education, send them to Sunday school (Hebrew School, Mosque...whatever floats your boat) on the weekend.

    On a positive note...I think this might be the issue that gets people talking about why we have such an anomaly in an otherwise secular country, and whether or not it makes any sense at all.
  • Karl

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    May 30, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    Done
    That school makes me shocked.
    I will share this on my facebook and my pages
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    May 30, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    Thankfully the premier is stepping up

    http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/canada/politics/article/1202201--ontario-premier-dalton-mcguinty-catholic-schools-must-accept-gay-in-club-names?bn=1
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    May 30, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
    yougotit saidLet the Catholics do what they want, it is important that the Catholic children grow to hate the religion like they usually do.


    lmao, im one of them ;D
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    May 30, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    The archbishop of Toronto spoke out against the Ontario government's anti-bullying legislation that would allow anti-homophobic clubs to be called 'gay-straight alliances'. Apparently, according to the bishop, the use of the word 'gay' is a "distraction".
    What load of crap...!!


    But wait!
    Maybe he's right! If I was still in high school right now, I might very well be distracted;)
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    May 30, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
    BTW, the Premier is not backing down from this.
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    May 30, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    I went to a high school in Ottawa, and honestly, it was such an accepting school. Oh and it was a catholic high school. But this is like taking a step backwards, so sad
  • waterman

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    May 30, 2012 11:26 PM GMT
    Ontario has Catholic school boards because it is in the Constitution. One of the prices paid to unite Lower Canada (Quebec) and Upper Canada (Ontario) as a precursor to 1867 union. We'd just had another US invasion not that long before so UK wanted to help ensure loyalties.

    It is extremely hard to change the constitution. So, at least we have one way that the legislature and executive can use other powers (which they have under the constitution's Charter rights, and all other laws are subordinate to) to reign in abuse of students by the RC hierarchy. Thank goodness.

    Maybe the next petition ought to be to ban Sharia Law practices of all religions? Christian sharia law is just as worse as Islamic and other law, don't you think?



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    May 30, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    They can't accept the govt.'s money without condiitons.
    If they wanted to go private, then I'm sure there's probably still money left over after all their payouts; then maybe they could be more justified in writing their own rules.
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    May 30, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    Blue_Maverick said
    hyperionx saidIt's also worth nothing that the Catholic School Board in Ontario is publicly funded by the provincial government.

    If it was my decision, I would withdraw provincial funding while I was at it.


    Agreed. I'm not originally from Ontario, but I've been here for about five years. When I first heard about the Catholic school boards I was shocked. It shouldn't exist, and such a system is unfathomable in my home province. One, secular, public school system for all residents of Ontario, it's that simple. If you want your kids to have a religious education, send them to Sunday school (Hebrew School, Mosque...whatever floats your boat) on the weekend.

    On a positive note...I think this might be the issue that gets people talking about why we have such an anomaly in an otherwise secular country, and whether or not it makes any sense at all.


    Haha, I was just about to post the same thing. When I moved here from another province I was shocked to find out tax payers funded religious schools.
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    May 30, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
    hyperionx saidIt's also worth nothing that the Catholic School Board in Ontario is publicly funded by the provincial government.

    If it was my decision, I would withdraw provincial funding while I was at it.


    I was going to say let the Catholics have their beliefs and run their schools as they see fit, but if you are going to suck at the public teat you need to play by the public's rules.

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    May 30, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    rafiki87 said
    Blue_Maverick said
    hyperionx saidIt's also worth nothing that the Catholic School Board in Ontario is publicly funded by the provincial government.

    If it was my decision, I would withdraw provincial funding while I was at it.


    Agreed. I'm not originally from Ontario, but I've been here for about five years. When I first heard about the Catholic school boards I was shocked. It shouldn't exist, and such a system is unfathomable in my home province. One, secular, public school system for all residents of Ontario, it's that simple. If you want your kids to have a religious education, send them to Sunday school (Hebrew School, Mosque...whatever floats your boat) on the weekend.

    On a positive note...I think this might be the issue that gets people talking about why we have such an anomaly in an otherwise secular country, and whether or not it makes any sense at all.


    The Catholic school boards are holding onto their funding via the British-North American Act, had that document not existed, they would have no claim to funding whatsoever and would be forced to be privatized. Thing is, the BNA is the predecessor to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so denying the BNA would mean having to undo the CRF which would be a messy affair.

    What the government should do is box the Catholic school boards into compliance, the way they did putting condoms in washrooms.

    In regards to religious education, there are provincially subsidized but not fully funded muslim and jewish schools in Ontario. There's nothing wrong with having these people celebrating their faith; religion, in my opinion, has its more nobler side.

    What I would not stand for would be these religious schools are teaching their students not to be good citizens for the modern Canadian society.

    Demanding a 19th century view on morality and sexual decency is ludicrous for 2012.


    No one is saying "dont celebrate your faith"...you just dont need to do it with tax dollars.

    For info on some of the constitutional issues surrounding this...read the article attached (changing the constitution in this regard is not THAT hard, compared to other attempted constitutional revisions)

    HTTP ADDRESS GOES HEREhttp://www.xtra.ca/public/Toronto/Confronting_Ontarios_Catholic_schools-10860.aspx
  • rafiki87

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    May 30, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    rafiki87 said
    Blue_Maverick said
    hyperionx saidIt's also worth nothing that the Catholic School Board in Ontario is publicly funded by the provincial government.

    If it was my decision, I would withdraw provincial funding while I was at it.


    Agreed. I'm not originally from Ontario, but I've been here for about five years. When I first heard about the Catholic school boards I was shocked. It shouldn't exist, and such a system is unfathomable in my home province. One, secular, public school system for all residents of Ontario, it's that simple. If you want your kids to have a religious education, send them to Sunday school (Hebrew School, Mosque...whatever floats your boat) on the weekend.

    On a positive note...I think this might be the issue that gets people talking about why we have such an anomaly in an otherwise secular country, and whether or not it makes any sense at all.


    The Catholic school boards are holding onto their funding via the British-North American Act, had that document not existed, they would have no claim to funding whatsoever and would be forced to be privatized. Thing is, the BNA is the predecessor to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so denying the BNA would mean having to undo the CRF which would be a messy affair.

    What the government should do is box the Catholic school boards into compliance, the way they did putting condoms in washrooms.

    Ontario does not have the same vindication that Quebec has towards the Catholic Church. Had Ontario had their version of the Quiet Revolution, then things would be different.

    In regards to religious education, there are provincially subsidized but not fully funded muslim and jewish schools in Ontario. There's nothing wrong with having these people celebrating their faith it is their constitutional right to do so; religion, in my opinion, has its more nobler side.

    What I would not stand for would be these religious schools teaching their students how not to be good citizens for the modern Canadian society.

    Demanding a 19th century view on morality and sexual decency is ludicrous for 2012.
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    May 31, 2012 12:01 AM GMT
    yougotit saidLet the Catholics do what they want, it is important that the Catholic children grow to hate the religion like they usually do.
    +1
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    May 31, 2012 12:03 AM GMT
    Signed, and told my fb posse they are dead to me if they don't support icon_biggrin.gif
  • rafiki87

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    May 31, 2012 12:25 AM GMT
    Blue_Maverick said
    rafiki87 said
    Blue_Maverick said
    hyperionx saidIt's also worth nothing that the Catholic School Board in Ontario is publicly funded by the provincial government.

    If it was my decision, I would withdraw provincial funding while I was at it.


    Agreed. I'm not originally from Ontario, but I've been here for about five years. When I first heard about the Catholic school boards I was shocked. It shouldn't exist, and such a system is unfathomable in my home province. One, secular, public school system for all residents of Ontario, it's that simple. If you want your kids to have a religious education, send them to Sunday school (Hebrew School, Mosque...whatever floats your boat) on the weekend.

    On a positive note...I think this might be the issue that gets people talking about why we have such an anomaly in an otherwise secular country, and whether or not it makes any sense at all.


    The Catholic school boards are holding onto their funding via the British-North American Act, had that document not existed, they would have no claim to funding whatsoever and would be forced to be privatized. Thing is, the BNA is the predecessor to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so denying the BNA would mean having to undo the CRF which would be a messy affair.

    What the government should do is box the Catholic school boards into compliance, the way they did putting condoms in washrooms.

    In regards to religious education, there are provincially subsidized but not fully funded muslim and jewish schools in Ontario. There's nothing wrong with having these people celebrating their faith; religion, in my opinion, has its more nobler side.

    What I would not stand for would be these religious schools are teaching their students not to be good citizens for the modern Canadian society.

    Demanding a 19th century view on morality and sexual decency is ludicrous for 2012.


    No one is saying "dont celebrate your faith"...you just dont need to do it with tax dollars.

    For info on some of the constitutional issues surrounding this...read the article attached (changing the constitution in this regard is not THAT hard, compared to other attempted constitutional revisions)

    HTTP ADDRESS GOES HEREhttp://www.xtra.ca/public/Toronto/Confronting_Ontarios_Catholic_schools-10860.aspx


    Theoretically, a constitutional change is easy to do, it's the politics around it is what makes it a messy ordeal.

    Best case scenario, this will play out into an injunction similar to the Mark Hall case, doubt it'll be a constitutional ammendment.

    The other thing too is, head sith pedophile, I mean the pope, will have another hissy fit trip to Canada - talking about the folly of our egalitarian society will only lead us to our destruction.

    This could potentially aggravate the situation in the States, especially when they're dealing with their federal application of same-sex marriage. Catholics still play a fairly sizable chunk of the voting population.

    Pope comparing the States with Canada can cause two results: either the American Catholics see the backwardness of their country and then vote accordingly to change that or feel bad that they're being compared to Canada and let their inferiority complex get the better of them; not applying the necessary changes.
  • CalebKM

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    May 31, 2012 12:36 AM GMT
    signed!!
  • metta

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    May 31, 2012 12:54 AM GMT
    done! icon_smile.gif
  • barriehomeboy

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    May 31, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    I'm confused. Didn't click on the link because I don't do random shit with stangers. Well. Never mind.

    The Premier came out in support of us fags.

    What are we voting for? The other guys?
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    May 31, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
    barriehomeboy saidI'm confused. Didn't click on the link because I don't do random shit with stangers. Well. Never mind.

    The Premier came out in support of us fags.

    What are we voting for? The other guys?


    You are so dumb.
  • Cutlass

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    Jun 14, 2012 6:44 AM GMT
    I'm shocked to learn that the province of Ontario subsidizes Catholic schools (and other religious schools as well). I could see this in Italy or Ireland, but Canada? The church's anti-gay agenda is already well-known to us, so to subsidize it with taxpayers' money is outrageous.
    I have heard that elsewhere in Canada the r.c. church has become emboldened to confront homosexuality even in the public schools. In British Columbia the Catholic Civil Rights League protested a proposed policy that would prohibit language or behavior that would discriminate against a person based on his/her sexual orientation or gender identity.
    The Catholic Civil Rights came out with a statement thus: "THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO IMPOSE A LANGUAGE ON EVERYONE IN THE SCHOOLS THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY RESTRICT THE ABILITY OF ANYONE TO DISAGREE WITH THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE OR CONDUCT. THIS WOULD IMPINGE ON FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AT SCHOOL. WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT WITHOUT TRYING TO FORCE EVERYONE IN THE SCHOOLS TO CONFORM TO A PARTICULAR VIEW OF SEXUALITY."
    How would this policy impinge on freedom of expression except to halt hate speech and the r.c. church's notorious records of trying to deny, marginalize, and stigmatize gays? And how does the so-called "civil" rights group think that acceptance of gays can be accomplished without trying to make everyone conform to the view that hatred and discrimination are evil when practiced by certain churches and political groups?
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    Jun 14, 2012 7:48 AM GMT
    I just finished four years at the University of Notre Dame... where the application to create a Gay/Straight Alliance has been rejected every year for more than a decade.

    This year's most recent attempt is still under consideration... it's become a topic of discussion on campus because of a student-led movement called the "4 to 5 Movement."

    Read more here: http://blogs.nd.edu/psa/4-to-5-movement/