Pirated, "Illegal" software....

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    May 30, 2012 11:44 PM GMT
    A few times a year a company comes to Columbus and runs ads in the media to get employees to report companies and organizations that are using unlicensed software. They set up these plausible, but unlikely scenarios of the disgruntled employee looking to get even with their employer over some "wrong", by reporting the illegal software....Does anyone else ever hear these ads and would you report your employer for pirated software...if it could put you out of a job or close the company? Has any one ever done it?
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    May 31, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    Considering the cost of multiple licenses for businesses, I don't blame them for using pirated copies.

    When software companies stop overcharging, businesses will stop pirating it.
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    May 31, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    Users of open-source software don't have to worry about extortion rackets like that.
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    May 31, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
    jim_stl saidUsers of open-source software don't have to worry about extortion rackets like that.


    I used to enjoy giving something mouth-to-mouth every time it seized up. At my age, it takes time away from the gym and has on one occasion, caused me to delay my vacation. Every spring, I route a PO for signatures on a $20K software and rights-to-use maintenance contract because this business depends on it.

    Today, a lot of software sends crash dumps back to home base and Flexera/Globetrotter is getting more difficult to crack (and some software has started detecting cracks and introducing random...mistakes.) Not worth risking months of labor over a dodgy software license.
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    May 31, 2012 3:06 AM GMT
    RobertF64 said
    jim_stl saidUsers of open-source software don't have to worry about extortion rackets like that.


    I used to enjoy giving something mouth-to-mouth every time it seized up. At my age, it takes time away from the gym and has on one occasion, caused me to delay my vacation. Every spring, I route a PO for signatures on a $20K software and rights-to-use maintenance contract because this business depends on it.

    Today, a lot of software sends crash dumps back to home base and Flexera/Globetrotter is getting more difficult to crack (and some software has started detecting cracks and introducing random...mistakes.) Not worth risking months of labor over a dodgy software license.


    I've had to delay vacation, several times, to fix big-time paid software. That's more an occupational hazard than anything, as far as I'm concerned.

    I also run servers with open-source bioinformatics software, and while those aren't 100% problem-free, I find them much easier to manage and repair. Most of the problems I find can be fixed with a good Googling, and those that can't will be when I'm done.
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    May 31, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidConsidering the cost of multiple licenses for businesses, I don't blame them for using pirated copies.

    When software companies stop overcharging, businesses will stop pirating it.


    That's not how the market works...

    It's always

    Free >>>>>>>> any cost in the world
    Apparently the market isn't working, or they wouldn't be trying to make employees turn in their employers.
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    May 31, 2012 3:50 AM GMT
    jim_stl said

    I've had to delay vacation, several times, to fix big-time paid software. That's more an occupational hazard than anything, as far as I'm concerned.

    I also run servers with open-source bioinformatics software, and while those aren't 100% problem-free, I find them much easier to manage and repair. Most of the problems I find can be fixed with a good Googling, and those that can't will be when I'm done.


    Like yourself, large RH installs benefit from dedicated and knowledgeable staff. Aside from the usual hard drive losses, my problems with "we-make-purple-computers" now Oracle, were mostly limited to lightning strikes or bad Sonet configs

    RH taught me there is an advantage to paying a premium to get a situation where only fewer than five different video cards are possible (Solaris or Apple.)

    Software drivers are a whole lot easier to find and they've been thoroughly flogged before release.

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    May 31, 2012 3:52 AM GMT
    mizzouguy10 said
    paulflexes said
    mizzouguy10 said
    paulflexes saidConsidering the cost of multiple licenses for businesses, I don't blame them for using pirated copies.

    When software companies stop overcharging, businesses will stop pirating it.


    That's not how the market works...

    It's always

    Free >>>>>>>> any cost in the world
    Apparently the market isn't working, or they wouldn't be trying to make employees turn in their employers.


    Exactly, most industries are still trying to figure out what to do in the internet age. You'll soon see software that requires online log ins probably. It works pretty well for game software.
    Gaming software isn't as expensive as business software, yet it's WAY more advanced.

    Explain that.
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    May 31, 2012 4:29 AM GMT
    Gaming software isn't as expensive as business software, yet it's WAY more advanced.

    Explain that.

    Same justification used to invest $$hundreds of millions to produce a movie.

    Volume. Lots and lots of it.

    ERP software like SAP or Peoplesoft are valuable in delivering manpower savings and efficiency and meeting needs of customers.

    Even with the butt-load of budget-killing customization that these packages usually require.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    My work is a supplier to aircraft manufacturers around the world.

    ERP helps us keep sane.
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    May 31, 2012 4:39 AM GMT
    RobertF64 said
    paulflexes said
    Gaming software isn't as expensive as business software, yet it's WAY more advanced.

    Explain that.

    Same justification used to invest $$hundreds of millions to produce a movie.

    Volume. Lots and lots of it.

    ERP software like SAP or Peoplesoft are valuable in delivering manpower savings and efficiency and meeting needs of customers.

    Even with the butt-load of budget-killing customization that these packages usually require.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    My work is a supplier to aircraft manufacturers around the world.

    ERP helps us keep sane.


    This, plus: if a game has an occasional glitch, big deal. (or even a meme; google "geddan" and watch the videos for great lulz.) If a large business is down for any length of time, though, then they could lose millions of dollars, so to avoid that they often pay a premium for more robust software.
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    May 31, 2012 4:52 AM GMT
    This was demonstrated when an ERP issue caused an unusual uptick in ordering activity for aircraft parts and we knew the aircraft design wasn't in production yet.

    My employer can't ship a part until the customer gives us authorization from their ERP system (which is numb to our monthly financial goals, to their credit.)
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    May 31, 2012 4:53 AM GMT
    RobertF64 said
    jim_stl said
    RobertF64 said
    paulflexes said
    ...

    ERP helps us keep sane.


    This, plus: if a game has an occasional glitch, big deal. (or even a meme; google "geddan" and watch the videos for great lulz.) If a large business is down for any length of time, though, then they could lose millions of dollars, so to avoid that they often pay a premium for more robust software.


    This was demonstrated when an ERP issue caused an unusual uptick in ordering activity for aircraft parts and we knew the aircraft design wasn't in production yet.

    My employer can't ship a part until the customer gives us authorization from their ERP system (which is numb to our monthly financial goals, to their credit.)

    I think you misquoted. I have no idea what ERP is. icon_lol.gif
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    May 31, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    I wouldn't do it myself. From how you described it, it sounds like a shadier business than piracy.

    I don't blame some people or businesses for pirating software. A company might use it twice a year, and it makes no sense that they'd pay the same as another who uses it all day, every day. So if the first company has the choice of a crappy free program, or an unauthorized copy of the pay program or paying a shitload for 2 uses per year. Either of the first 2 are more sane.

    The misconception is that every instance of piracy takes the place of a sale. If the business wouldn't have bought the software anyway, then they're no harm done and some good done.
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    May 31, 2012 3:20 PM GMT
    Companies/People seem to mostly only have a moral problem with pirating when it is their shit being stolen.
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    Jun 01, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    RobertF64 said
    jim_stl said
    RobertF64 said
    paulflexes said
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    ERP helps us keep sane.


    This, plus: if a game has an occasional glitch, big deal. (or even a meme; google "geddan" and watch the videos for great lulz.) If a large business is down for any length of time, though, then they could lose millions of dollars, so to avoid that they often pay a premium for more robust software.


    This was demonstrated when an ERP issue caused an unusual uptick in ordering activity for aircraft parts and we knew the aircraft design wasn't in production yet.

    My employer can't ship a part until the customer gives us authorization from their ERP system (which is numb to our monthly financial goals, to their credit.)

    I think you misquoted. I have no idea what ERP is. icon_lol.gif


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ERP

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