Dan Savage to debate anti-gay marriage leader...at a family dinner in his home.

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    May 31, 2012 5:00 AM GMT
    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seattle-columnist-Dan-Savage-to-debate-anti-gay-marriage-leader-155728185.html

    Changing his mind, I think we have a better chance of peace in the middle east. But, talking about it openly might cause others to think for themselves.

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    This sounds like a good idea, two people with different views having a discussion with each other, not two people on opposite sides of a stage trying to hit key talking points to make their supporters in a crowd respond. A real conversation where two people will get to know each other.


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    May 31, 2012 5:12 AM GMT
    Yeah... I think I saw that movie.

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  • rafiki87

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    May 31, 2012 1:04 PM GMT
    does it come in IMAX?
  • thadjock

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    May 31, 2012 2:19 PM GMT
    dan savage is the gay don king

    in his desperate increasingly & carnivalesque quest for more publicity he moves the progress back 2 generations.

    I'm offended that this idiot has successfully designated himself spokesperson for the gay community. he's an embarassment.

    stop drinking his self involved kool-aid, and vote this dumbass MF'r off the island , now
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    May 31, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    He was probably planning to repaint the house anyway.
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    May 31, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    thadjock saiddan savage is the gay don king

    in his desperate increasingly & carnivalesque quest for more publicity he moves the progress back 2 generations.

    I'm offended that this idiot has successfully designated himself spokesperson for the gay community. he's an embarassment.

    stop drinking his self involved kool-aid, and vote this dumbass MF'r off the island , now


    Disagree, that's all I can say. NOM and other anti-gay organizations have plenty of engaging people out there on the airways making their pitch. Dan Savage is smart, funny and a good spokesman for our cause, much better than the boring policy wonks from the big DC organizations. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I live in DC and some might call me a policy wonk.)
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    May 31, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    thadjock saiddan savage is the gay don king

    in his desperate increasingly & carnivalesque quest for more publicity he moves the progress back 2 generations.

    I'm offended that this idiot has successfully designated himself spokesperson for the gay community. he's an embarassment.

    stop drinking his self involved kool-aid, and vote this dumbass MF'r off the island , now



    On one hand I agree with you, while on the other I think what Savage is trying to do in terms of increase awareness and gain equality has it's heart in the right place. However, I think often-times with Savage the message gets lost in the presentation. I think this debate will be interesting to watch. I think Savage will have his hands full debating NOM's Brian Brown, and he had better bring his A-game --- and that does not include rantings and insults, but rather measured and respectful debate. If Savage can pull that off he may actually gain something, however if he resorts to his angry name-calling and bully-tactics, it will do more harm than good.
  • thadjock

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    May 31, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    showme said
    Disagree, that's all I can say. NOM and other anti-gay organizations have plenty of engaging people out there on the airways making their pitch. Dan Savage is smart, funny and a good spokesman for our cause, much better than the boring policy wonks from the big DC organizations. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I live in DC and some might call me a policy wonk.)


    the movement is at the point where public perception of what GAY is should be broadening and all he does is reinforce the stereotyped gay lavender-caped crusader. People have opened their eyes to the fact that gay people are everywhere in every walk of life and very few of us are what dan savage represents. he's a dinosaur in the 21st c.

    The really disappointing aspect of this is the number of gays who are eager to rally round this type of grandstanding idiot, who has a self interest in pushing hot button agendas and keeping polarizing debates (and himself) on the front page. Unfortunately the media craves the clear distinction that this is an obviously gay guy so it won't confuse the viewers and gives him a platform. it's the easy-button answer, it's alot harder to process the gay soldier/athlete/businessman/carpenter who isn't automatically identifiable as gay.

    i realize "smart" and "funny" are highly subjective but dan savage? really?

    I guess i'm the only one that didn't get the memo (or was it some kind of implant) explaining the new paradigm for celebrity status.
  • ChilaxinJOCK0...

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    May 31, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    to say that Dan Savage has ever "bullied" anyone...is just ...ill use the word "inaccurate". Cause I wanna use a diff few words, but I wont be a "bully." (Everyones a bully these days)
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    May 31, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidto say that Dan Savage has ever "bullied" anyone...is just ...ill use the word "inaccurate". Cause I wanna use a diff few words, but I wont be a "bully." (Everyones a bully these days)



    No, actually that isn't true. Name-calling is "bullying", and Dan Savage resorts to this over and over. A perfect example was his response to the challenge to debate by NOM's Brian Brown.
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    May 31, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    thadjock saidi realize "smart" and "funny" are highly subjective but dan savage? really?

    I guess i'm the only one that didn't get the memo (or was it some kind of implant) explaining the new paradigm for celebrity status.


    Haha, if you've seen some earlier threads here you're obviously not the ONLY one. As a longtime fan of his podcast, I do think he's smart and funny, and I enjoy his media appearances. His current crappy MTV show, not so much.

    Look, this is a really old argument within the gay community. In the early 90's a guy named Bruce Bawer responded to Act Up and the like by publishing a book called A Place At The Table, where he argued that all of the nasty ol' AIDS protesting was just setting us back, that if we just acted "normal" then people would realize that we are in fact just like them.

    That is true to some degree - I think that many people change their minds when they hear about friends and family living happy, contented gay lives - but I also think that movements need spearheads, firebrands, leaders who also push the envelope, who aren't afraid to tell it like it is. Frankly, the fact that someone as mainstream as Dan Savage is has caught on shows how far we've come. While he has a sex advice podcast (most of which deals with straight folks' problems, BTW), the guy's middle aged, married and has a kid, for chrissake. It's not like he's dressing in a purple tutu and chaining himself to the altar of some catholic cathedral.
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    May 31, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
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    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidto say that Dan Savage has ever "bullied" anyone...is just ...ill use the word "inaccurate". Cause I wanna use a diff few words, but I wont be a "bully." (Everyones a bully these days)



    No, actually that isn't true. Name-calling is "bullying", and Dan Savage resorts to this over and over. A perfect example was his response to the challenge to debate by NOM's Brian Brown.


    Potato, potahto.
  • thadjock

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    May 31, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidto say that Dan Savage has ever "bullied" anyone...is just ...ill use the word "inaccurate". Cause I wanna use a diff few words, but I wont be a "bully." (Everyones a bully these days)


    ya i wouldn't use the word bully to describe dan savage either,

    snarky, bitchy, opportunistic, confrontational, narcissistic, empty talking head, yes,

    bully, no

    this is a guy who started out writing a sex advice column in a counter-culture newspaper that had a circulation of about 13 until he realized he could get national noteriety if he said sassy/bitchy things that shocked grandmas in iowa. and upon that thin resume the present day oracle of the gay community was built.

    I guess it pisses me off that this is the kind of flame(er) the media moths are drawn to, because i don't identify with that narrowtyping of what gay is.

    Let a gay marine combat vet couple have dinner with a DOMA numbskull,

    THAT i would find compelling, and I guarantee it would change more minds in america than dan savage would.
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    May 31, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidto say that Dan Savage has ever "bullied" anyone...is just ...ill use the word "inaccurate". Cause I wanna use a diff few words, but I wont be a "bully." (Everyones a bully these days)



    No, actually that isn't true. Name-calling is "bullying", and Dan Savage resorts to this over and over. A perfect example was his response to the challenge to debate by NOM's Brian Brown.


    I think Dan Savage gets very passionate and lets his emotions get the best of him sometimes when hes dealing with real ignorant ppl. If thats bullying, then Im all for it!
  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 01, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
    People consider Savage "shocking" because he has the balls to actually tell the truth about sexual issues in a bizarrely repressed society, and he will not back down to a society that repeatedly tells him he is a second class citizen because he happens to be gay.
    This debate will be great to watch.
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    Jun 01, 2012 5:27 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidPeople consider Savage "shocking" because he has the balls to actually tell the truth about sexual issues in a bizarrely repressed society, and he will not back down to a society that repeatedly tells him he is a second class citizen because he happens to be gay.
    This debate will be great to watch.


    THANK YOU!! well said!
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    Jun 01, 2012 5:57 AM GMT
    And, now that Dr. Robert Spitzer has retracted his 2001 study (which Brian Brown has used previously as a weapon against the LGBT community), the debate should be especially interesting to watch. haha!
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    Jun 01, 2012 10:57 AM GMT
    Nicely stated.

    I am by no means a huge fan of Dan Savage, however the guy is actually doing something to make a difference.

    The argument that he does not fit the "manly" image that some would rather have portrayed by our community in order to find acceptance is as old as time itself.

    Gay people come in all different types of packages, and Dan Savage definitely represents one of those packages.

    There is no reason in the world that someone who represents another segment of gay society cannot put themselves out there and do the type of work that Dan is doing.


    KissTheSky saidPeople consider Savage "shocking" because he has the balls to actually tell the truth about sexual issues in a bizarrely repressed society, and he will not back down to a society that repeatedly tells him he is a second class citizen because he happens to be gay.
    This debate will be great to watch.
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    Jun 01, 2012 12:37 PM GMT
    We all know that overweight straight people have a long history of molesting young boys.

    This could turn out to be a disaster if Dan and his husband leave the room at the same time. icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 01, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
    thadjock saiddan savage is the gay don king

    in his desperate increasingly & carnivalesque quest for more publicity he moves the progress back 2 generations.

    I'm offended that this idiot has successfully designated himself spokesperson for the gay community. he's an embarassment.

    stop drinking his self involved kool-aid, and vote this dumbass MF'r off the island , now


    you clearly dont know what you are talking about.
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    Jun 01, 2012 1:19 PM GMT
    One or two of the boys in this thread think that calling someone names in response to negative verbal attacks is bullying. Fascinating ... and wrong.

    There are various definitions of bullying. Bullying can be aggressive behavior through the use of force or coercion to affect others, and it can be verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion; but bullying, verbal or otherwise, is always unwarranted.

    What Dan Savage says to his naysayers, particulalry those from the religious/political right is not bullying. It's warranted. He is reponding to bullies. Whether or not his replies are negative is irrelevant.

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    Jun 01, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
    credo saidOne or two of the boys in this thread think that calling someone names in response to negative verbal attacks is bullying. Fascinating ... and wrong.

    There are various definitions of bullying. Bullying can be aggressive behavior through the use of force or coercion to affect others, and it can be verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion; but bullying, verbal or otherwise, is always unwarranted.

    What Dan Savage says to his naysayers, particulalry those from the religious/political right is not bullying. It's warranted. He is reponding to bullies. Whether or not his replies are negative is irrelevant.



    Well stated Credo! I've casually paid attention to Dan's rise to relevance (either real or imagined) and what I see him responding to is not only the attacks to our gay sensibilities by the religious right, but also to the large portion of the gay community who's self-esteem is still so low that they just go-along with or flat-out ignore those that wish us ill-will. In a nutshell, I see him as a frustrated visionary that is fighting the good fight, with no real support from the people he's fighting for.
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    credo saidOne or two of the boys in this thread think that calling someone names in response to negative verbal attacks is bullying. Fascinating ... and wrong.

    There are various definitions of bullying. Bullying can be aggressive behavior through the use of force or coercion to affect others, and it can be verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion; but bullying, verbal or otherwise, is always unwarranted.

    What Dan Savage says to his naysayers, particulalry those from the religious/political right is not bullying. It's warranted. He is reponding to bullies. Whether or not his replies are negative is irrelevant.



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    Jun 01, 2012 10:28 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    the movement is at the point where public perception of what GAY is should be broadening and all he does is reinforce the stereotyped gay lavender-caped crusader. People have opened their eyes to the fact that gay people are everywhere in every walk of life and very few of us are what dan savage represents. he's a dinosaur in the 21st c.


    See, you're lying a little too quickly to get taken seriously, here.
    "stereotyped gay lavender-caped crusader"? The only person spreading stereotypes so far here is you.
    Savage has worked for equality organizations most of his life, his work starting the It Gets Better project has touched millions of people and saved more than a few individuals, he disagrees with the establishment go-along-to-get-along gays (like you) on many issues, is not a fan of Pride (which is one of the most stereotypical events gays are associated with), and has a husband and a son. Sounds like he is both what we are and aspire to be.

    thadjock said
    The really disappointing aspect of this is the number of gays who are eager to rally round this type of grandstanding idiot, who has a self interest in pushing hot button agendas and keeping polarizing debates (and himself) on the front page. Unfortunately the media craves the clear distinction that this is an obviously gay guy so it won't confuse the viewers and gives him a platform. it's the easy-button answer, it's alot harder to process the gay soldier/athlete/businessman/carpenter who isn't automatically identifiable as gay.


    So the best way to fight for gay equality is not to act like one of "those people". LOL Self-hate much?

    "Hot-button agendas"? Did Sarah Palin write your response?
    Hot-button issues like what? Marriage equality? Equal civil rights? I suppose the best way to fight for our place in society is to not ask for much, maybe just ask them not to kill us and be happy with it?

    Many of us are eager to support him because he is doing good in and for our community. What have you done? Have any suggested alternate icons for us to choose?