A lady got fired fom my work today for crapping on the floor.

  • Musicman91

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    Jun 03, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
    There was this elderly woman who worked as a cashier probably in her early 60's. She crapped herself once before and the managment didn't care too much, they thought it was funny. Well today she did it again. It was pretty busy and all of the sudden it just smelled like shit. And people were complaining and we couldn't figure out where it came from. Then we saw register 6, where she was working, was a mess with shit everywhere. We found her in the bathroom completely naked with her pants in the sink. The managers freaked and fired her on the spot. It was sad.


    Anyway I just wanna know if you guys think she should have been given another chance. She worked there for a while and it was only her second "accident". What happened to 3 strikes and your out? Plus she could have been a diabetic and couldn't help it. My mom is a diabetic and has had accidents in the past. What do you think?
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    Jun 03, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
    That is sad.. I would have suggested she gets depends and let her know if it happens again I would have to let her go.
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    Jun 03, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    Sounds like that store may have a lawsuit on their hands.
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    Jun 03, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    ChangeofName saidit's probably a health issue, and im assuming perhaps a bonafide occupational requirement depending on the line of work, that the person should be able to control bowel movements if they are required to attend to customers during a busy period.

    sounds embarassing and unfortunate, but I don't think management was in the wrong though.



    I have to agree with this. As unfortunate as the situation is, the management can't help but be concerned first for their customers and their store reputation/image. It sounds like one of those things where if she crapped herself already twice before, she's going to do it again (even if she doesn't mean to).

    At this point it would be more important for her to take care of her health than to work at that cashier job.

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    Jun 03, 2012 11:29 PM GMT
    That's a difficult situation. Certainly she didn't mean it, as it may be some sort of medical issue. But at the same time, she crapped all over the floor!!

    I do feel bad for her though of the embarassment she may be feeling.
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    Jun 03, 2012 11:31 PM GMT
    I don't know why she wouldn't get Depends or take a pill to prevent it from happening again. Maybe last time they gave her one more chance, and since it happened again they fired her.

    I would have tried to find another solution first.
  • Jerebear

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    Jun 03, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
    um hello!! ...obviously she couldnt help it. You think she shits herself as some sort of "fuck you" to her employer?

    I hope your workplace offers long term disability insurance.

    If not, I hope it goes out of business and the management all develop incontenance (and you get a better job at a place that treats human beings like human beings).
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    Jun 03, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
    Story needs more details. I agree with the others.. Did management ask her if it was a health issue? I think it's unfair to just fire her if she didn't do it intentionally.
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    Jun 03, 2012 11:59 PM GMT
    ChangeofName said
    Jerebear saidum hello!! ...obviously she couldnt help it. You think she shits herself as some sort of "fuck you" to her employer?

    I hope your workplace offers long term disability insurance.

    If not, I hope it goes out of business and the management all develop incontenance (and you get a better job at a place that treats human beings like human beings).


    ok on that same note, hypothetically speaking

    a school bus driver begins to lose their vision, and becomes blind.

    their employers fire him or her because the job requires you to SEE in order to SAFELY drive the bus of school children to and from.

    even though they couldnt help becoming blind, do you think they have a case to sue their employer?

    no they do not. it's one of the legal defenses for employers.

    i dont know why everyone in the US assumes you can just sue anyone ... im sure management understands this and had probable reasoning to terminate this person.


    I never said anything about anyone suing anyone, and your example is poor and not analogous (if your vision was failing, you would lose your special license to drive a schoolbus, and that decision would not be made by the employer. You would still lose your job, because you lost your license but it would not be a "firing") Shit on the floor bothers people, and is not good for business, but nobody is in danger.

    My point is that everyone's employer should offer long term disability insurance as part of a basic benefits package. If not, you are working for scumbags.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:01 AM GMT
    Adonis_001 saidThat is sad.. I would have suggested she gets depends and let her know if it happens again I would have to let her go.



    Exactly. This had to be humiliating already, but to get fired for something beyond your control will be unforgettable for the poor woman.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:09 AM GMT
    ChangeofName said
    GAMRican saidSounds like that store may have a lawsuit on their hands.


    for firing someone that defecates all over the floor?

    not really.


    It's a health situation. Depending upon the jurisdiction, a medical leave from the cashier's position could have been arranged. A non-public job could be arranged while the medical situation is worked through.

    To just fire somebody like that is callous, humiliating, and possible grounds for legal action.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:11 AM GMT
    Just so I have this right, this is the SECOND time this happened?

    I'm sure I'm going to sound like an asshole but you know what, meh, they have adult diapers to avoid things like this whether working or just out and about for the elderly people with incontinence issues. If this person is too proud/embarrassed/whatever to wear the diapers then thats on them and they have to accept whatever consequences come from not taking preventative measures.

    If this was the first time I might have more sympathy but two times? Yeah no, its a place of business.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
    ChangeofName said
    Jerebear said
    ChangeofName said
    Jerebear saidum hello!! ...obviously she couldnt help it. You think she shits herself as some sort of "fuck you" to her employer?

    I hope your workplace offers long term disability insurance.

    If not, I hope it goes out of business and the management all develop incontenance (and you get a better job at a place that treats human beings like human beings).


    ok on that same note, hypothetically speaking

    a school bus driver begins to lose their vision, and becomes blind.

    their employers fire him or her because the job requires you to SEE in order to SAFELY drive the bus of school children to and from.

    even though they couldnt help becoming blind, do you think they have a case to sue their employer?

    no they do not. it's one of the legal defenses for employers.

    i dont know why everyone in the US assumes you can just sue anyone ... im sure management understands this and had probable reasoning to terminate this person.


    I never said anything about anyone suing anyone, and your example is poor and not analogous (if your vision was failing, you would lose your special license to drive a schoolbus, and that decision would not be made by the employer. You would still lose your job, because you lost your license but it would not be a "firing") Shit on the floor bothers people, and is not good for business, but nobody is in danger.

    My point is that everyone's employer should offer long term disability insurance as part of a basic benefits package. If not, you are working for scumbags.


    actually that legal defense is called a bonafide occupational requirement.

    i dont know why i am even debating this, but it's a legal term that is JUSTIFIABLE.

    Look it up.

    You don't even know the circumstances or the place of business. For instance if food or grocerys are involved... Im sure there are health regulations restricting the sale of SHIT COVERED consummables.

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    Well you got me there, I dont know the law, I just like to see human beings being treated fairly and I know those two things are not the same.

    I hope she was layed off without cause so that after all those years of service she could at least pay her rent next month by getting a small severence (thats how it works in Canada, at least) instead of a firing with cause where you get kicked out like garbage with nothing.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    Shouldn't she be wearing adult diapers if there is a medical problem involved. Did she inform management that she has bowel problems. After the first incident, did management tell her that she needed to find a solution to prevent something like this to occur again.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
    ChangeofName said
    GAMRican said
    ChangeofName said
    GAMRican saidSounds like that store may have a lawsuit on their hands.


    for firing someone that defecates all over the floor?

    not really.


    It's a health situation. Depending upon the jurisdiction, a medical leave from the cashier's position could have been arranged. A non-public job could be arranged while the medical situation is worked through.

    To just fire somebody like that is callous, humiliating, and possible grounds for legal action.


    Do you have a law degree? It's not callous, employers can fire someone for being habitually late for work, it never ceases to amaze me how entitled people feel. I feel entitled to shit on your lunch then, enjoy.


    No law degree here, but I do work with human capital management and labor laws.

    The employer certainly may have an "at will" employment relationship with the old lady. I'm sure that will play very well in any public relations blowback that makes it to the evening news, front page, etc. The employer can rest assured that they were well within their right to put an old lady out of a job in a business that holds itself out to the public.

    Bravo, Employer! Don't let anybody tell you what to do! You go and just do what's most profitable! To hell with people! They're as replaceable as toilet paper anyway, right?
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:30 AM GMT
    You know that is really sad to read. Poor woman seems to have lost cntrol of her bowels. How embarrassing.

    However, it seems that u work in a food store? That's a major problem. There cannot be human feces about a place where food is.

    It's a health concern and could potentially be a liability for the company or organization. Could lead to a lawsuit, damaged reputation of the brand, food contamination, etc.

    It's sad, but business is business.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    My guess is the first time she might have thought it was a freak accident. Admitting to yourself you have to wear diapers to work has to be a difficult thing to accept.
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    ChangeofName said
    GAMRican said
    ChangeofName said
    GAMRican saidSounds like that store may have a lawsuit on their hands.


    for firing someone that defecates all over the floor?

    not really.


    It's a health situation. Depending upon the jurisdiction, a medical leave from the cashier's position could have been arranged. A non-public job could be arranged while the medical situation is worked through.

    To just fire somebody like that is callous, humiliating, and possible grounds for legal action.


    Do you have a law degree? It's not callous, employers can fire someone for being habitually late for work, it never ceases to amaze me how entitled people feel. I feel entitled to shit on your lunch then, enjoy.


    No law degree here, but I do work with human capital management and labor laws.

    The employer certainly may have an "at will" employment relationship with the old lady. I'm sure that will play very well in any public relations blowback that makes it to the evening news, front page, etc. The employer can rest assured that they were well within their right to put an old lady out of a job in a business that holds itself out to the public.

    Bravo, Employer! Don't let anybody tell you what to do! You go and just do what's most profitable! To hell with people! They're as replaceable as toilet paper anyway, right?


    LOL, I see what you did there.....
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    pocketnico said
    ChangeofName saidit's probably a health issue, and im assuming perhaps a bonafide occupational requirement depending on the line of work, that the person should be able to control bowel movements if they are required to attend to customers during a busy period.

    sounds embarassing and unfortunate, but I don't think management was in the wrong though.



    I have to agree with this. As unfortunate as the situation is, the management can't help but be concerned first for their customers and their store reputation/image. It sounds like one of those things where if she crapped herself already twice before, she's going to do it again (even if she doesn't mean to).

    At this point it would be more important for her to take care of her health than to work at that cashier job.



    You wouldn't spew such tonteria...if you yourself had this same health issue.

    There's a wonderful proverb dating back to the Cherokee Tribe of the Native Americans that says...."Don’t judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes."

    It's all about developing compassion and empathy mijo!
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    Import saidYou know that is really sad to read. Poor woman seems to have lost cntrol of her bowels. How embarrassing.

    However, it seems that u work in a food store? That's a major problem. There cannot be human feces about a place where food is.

    It's a health concern and could potentially be a liability for the company or organization. Could lead to a lawsuit, damaged reputation of the brand, food contamination, etc.

    It's sad, but business is business.


    OP=+1 for citing this issue affecting the older generation

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    Jun 04, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
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    pocketnico said
    ChangeofName saidit's probably a health issue, and im assuming perhaps a bonafide occupational requirement depending on the line of work, that the person should be able to control bowel movements if they are required to attend to customers during a busy period.

    sounds embarassing and unfortunate, but I don't think management was in the wrong though.



    I have to agree with this. As unfortunate as the situation is, the management can't help but be concerned first for their customers and their store reputation/image. It sounds like one of those things where if she crapped herself already twice before, she's going to do it again (even if she doesn't mean to).

    At this point it would be more important for her to take care of her health than to work at that cashier job.



    You wouldn't spew such tonteria...if you yourself had this same health issue.

    There's a wonderful proverb dating back to the Cherokee Tribe of the Native Americans that says...."Don’t judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes."

    It's all about developing compassion and empathy mijo!


    Actually, the real expression is: "Don't judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins." It comes from the novel Walk Two Moons. On top of that, the other of the book said she got the title and the phrase from a fortune cookie icon_wink.gif

    http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/sharon-creech-interview-transcript

    But who knows where it really comes from, eh?
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    Jun 04, 2012 12:54 AM GMT
    pocketnico said
    Hermes63 said
    pocketnico said
    ChangeofName saidit's probably a health issue, and im assuming perhaps a bonafide occupational requirement depending on the line of work, that the person should be able to control bowel movements if they are required to attend to customers during a busy period.

    sounds embarassing and unfortunate, but I don't think management was in the wrong though.



    I have to agree with this. As unfortunate as the situation is, the management can't help but be concerned first for their customers and their store reputation/image. It sounds like one of those things where if she crapped herself already twice before, she's going to do it again (even if she doesn't mean to).

    At this point it would be more important for her to take care of her health than to work at that cashier job.



    You wouldn't spew such tonteria...if you yourself had this same health issue.

    There's a wonderful proverb dating back to the Cherokee Tribe of the Native Americans that says...."Don’t judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes."

    It's all about developing compassion and empathy mijo!


    Actually, the real expression is: "Don't judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins." It comes from the novel Walk Two Moons. On top of that, the other of the book said she got the title and the phrase from a fortune cookie icon_wink.gif

    http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/sharon-creech-interview-transcript

    But who knows where it really comes from, eh?


    Regardless of its origin...one like yourself would have hoped to have gained some inkling of inspiration...eh? icon_wink.gif