Heritage Foundation Expert Can't Point to 1 Instance of Voting Fraud

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    Jun 04, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
    In case you're wondering, voting fraud is not an issue in the US. In fact, all the laws Republicans are trying to pass or have passed are geared toward preventing young people, people of color, the poor and elderly from voting.

    The latest example of this fraudulent issue is exposed in this video that




    Daily Rundown TranscriptDARLING: And there’ve been examples of voter fraud… in Florida. Look at ACORN.
    TODD: Where is this voter fraud? I mean it is not this giant…
    DARLING: We’ve had recent examples.
    TODD: We’re talking about one or two people here, one or two people… and we’re not even a hundred percent sure.
    DARLING: We just had a Michigan Congressman [Republican Thaddeus McCotter] resign… not run for re-election because he gathered signatures… his campaign gathered signatures that couldn’t be validated.
    TODD: Yeah, but that’s a case of petition signatures being valid. I mean that’s a different law here.
    DARLING: Yeah, but it’s very hard to catch voter fraud. Look at what James O’Keefe did. He walked into DC, he didn’t have any ID. One of his guy video…
    TODD: Did he vote?
    DARLING: No, he didn’t vote.
    TODD: See?
    DARLING: He didn’t vote. But he asked for a ballot and they were gonna give it to him.
    TODD: Right, but you’re actually proving the point here. That the fraud didn’t take place because they prevented it.
    DARLING: But it’s very hard to catch the fraud. That’s why you have to do it before Election Day. If you try to do it on Election Day, you’ll never catch any of the fraud.


    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/04/494395/heritage-foundation-expert-cannot-cite-any-examples-of-actual-voter-fraud/
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    Jun 04, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    Voter Fraud Is Non-Existent???

    Baloney!

    Come to Southern WV: http://www.chicagonow.com/publius-forum/2012/02/west-virginia-sheriff-clerk-snared-in-vote-fraud-investigation/

    "A Lincoln County, West Virginia Sheriff and Clerk are to plead guilty to charges of vote fraud in the 2010 Democrat primary after the pair were arrested during an election fraud investigation conducted by state and federal authorities.

    Sheriff Jerry Bowman and Clerk Donald Whitten were caught in a scheme to file fraudulent absentee ballots in an effort to get Whitten elected Circuit Clerk. Whitten will also pled guilty to lying to an FBI agent hired by WV Secretary of State Natalie Tennant to investigate the false absentee ballots.

    Sheriff Bowman, who is at the tail end of a second term and is term-limited from running again, conspired with Whitten and a thus far unidentified candidate for county commissioner to help Whitten win a close election with the fraudulent absentee ballot scheme.

    In 2004 several Lincoln and Logan County officials were convicted of vote fraud in a federal vote-buying case. Convicted included Lincoln County Circuit Clerk Greg Stowers and county Assessor Jerry Weaver. Amazingly, Weaver is now running for county sheriff."






    You know, all this "it's a hardship to get a ID to show to vote" is bullshit.


    The 'people affected and disenfranchised' all seem to have an ID to get their SNAP cards, disability checks cashed, buy cigarettes and beer......so your argument is a straw-man issue.
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    EDIT: It's harder to obtain food stamps than it is to obtain a state-issued ID card!
    From the About.com site "How to apply for food stamps"

    "Some things you may need when you apply for SNAP food stamps include:

    If You Are Employed: Last four pay stubs or a letter from employer stating gross and net wages for the past month.

    If Your are Unemployed: Proof that your employment was terminated. Also identification and claim cards for unemployment benefits.

    Proof of Household Resources: Bring all savings account passbooks (including parents & children). Bring all checking account books in addition to your last checking account statement and cancelled checks. All stocks, bonds, savings certificates, annuity funds and credit union membership, etc. must be reported and verified.

    Proof of Income: Bring a copy of income tax return for past year. If you are self employed, a profit and loss statement for the current calendar quarter is required."


    From the WV DMV for Non-Driving ID Card:

    "Applying for a photo ID card is much like applying for your driver's license for the first time, without taking the tests. Head to your local Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV) office―the process is simple.

    Download the photo ID application, or obtain one from your local DMV office.

    Take proof of your identity, two proofs of WV residency and proof of your Social Security number.

    The same fees that apply for application and renewal of driver's licenses also apply to photo ID cards.

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    Jun 05, 2012 12:09 AM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said Voter Fraud Is Non-Existent???

    Baloney!

    Come to Southern WV: http://www.chicagonow.com/publius-forum/2012/02/west-virginia-sheriff-clerk-snared-in-vote-fraud-investigation/

    "A Lincoln County, West Virginia Sheriff and Clerk are to plead guilty to charges of vote fraud in the 2010 Democrat primary after the pair were arrested during an election fraud investigation conducted by state and federal authorities.

    Sheriff Jerry Bowman and Clerk Donald Whitten were caught in a scheme to file fraudulent absentee ballots in an effort to get Whitten elected Circuit Clerk. Whitten will also pled guilty to lying to an FBI agent hired by WV Secretary of State Natalie Tennant to investigate the false absentee ballots.

    Sheriff Bowman, who is at the tail end of a second term and is term-limited from running again, conspired with Whitten and a thus far unidentified candidate for county commissioner to help Whitten win a close election with the fraudulent absentee ballot scheme.

    In 2004 several Lincoln and Logan County officials were convicted of vote fraud in a federal vote-buying case. Convicted included Lincoln County Circuit Clerk Greg Stowers and county Assessor Jerry Weaver. Amazingly, Weaver is now running for county sheriff.

    But, remember… left-wingers and Democrats say there is no vote fraud in the USA."





    You know, all this "it's a hardship to get a ID to so show to vote" is bullshit.


    The 'people affected and disenfranchised' all seem to have an ID to get their SNAP cards, disability checks cashed, buy cigarettes and beer......so your argument is a straw-man issue.
    icon_rolleyes.gif

    EDIT: It's harder to obtain food stamps than it is to obtain a state-issued ID card!
    From the About.com site "How to apply for food stamps"

    "Some things you may need when you apply for SNAP food stamps include:

    If You Are Employed: Last four pay stubs or a letter from employer stating gross and net wages for the past month.

    If Your are Unemployed: Proof that your employment was terminated. Also identification and claim cards for unemployment benefits.

    Proof of Household Resources: Bring all savings account passbooks (including parents & children). Bring all checking account books in addition to your last checking account statement and cancelled checks. All stocks, bonds, savings certificates, annuity funds and credit union membership, etc. must be reported and verified.

    Proof of Income: Bring a copy of income tax return for past year. If you are self employed, a profit and loss statement for the current calendar quarter is required."


    From the WV DMV for Non-Driving ID Card:

    "Applying for a photo ID card is much like applying for your driver's license for the first time, without taking the tests. Head to your local Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV) office―the process is simple.

    Download the photo ID application, or obtain one from your local DMV office.

    Take proof of your identity, two proofs of WV residency and proof of your Social Security number.

    The same fees that apply for application and renewal of driver's licenses also apply to photo ID cards.




    You realize that you didn't point to a single instance of the voter fraud that you claim to want to stop. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Jun 05, 2012 12:12 AM GMT
    You do realize that that was only what they go caught doing, don't you?
    Do you think for one second that absentee ballots are the ONLY way that crooks try to steal an election?

    I thought you more world-aware than that. You must sleep like a baby at night...
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    Jun 05, 2012 12:19 AM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said You do realize that that was only what they go caught doing, don't you?
    Do you think for one second that absentee ballots are the ONLY way that crooks try to steal an election?

    I thought you more world-aware than that. You must sleep like a baby at night...


    I'm actually incredibly cynical but I also know that voter fraud isn't an issue in our country.
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    Jun 09, 2012 2:41 AM GMT
    Tell me one good reason that I have to show an ID to board an airplane, enter some Federal buildings, cash a check, or go to a doctor/hospital, yet it's an 'inconvenience' or 'intimidating' for certain people to show an ID before casting a ballot? icon_rolleyes.gif

    And don't hand me that horseshit about voter intimidation among poor & minorities. They sure as hell don't get intimidated showing IDs when it comes to standing up for their 'right' to food stamps, disability or welfare checks!

    Your only valid reason is so that those who depend on a government handout will vote FOR the politicians that enslave them.

    West Virginia has been controlled by Democrats for 80 years now.icon_confused.gif

    We're last in almost every category...except for obesity and food stamps.

    Poor people keep voting them back into office.icon_rolleyes.gif


    What's the definition of insanity again?
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:50 AM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said Tell me one good reason that I have to show an ID to board an airplane, enter some Federal buildings, cash a check, or go to a doctor/hospital, yet it's an 'inconvenience' or 'intimidating' for certain people to show an ID before casting a ballot? icon_rolleyes.gif

    And don't hand me that horseshit about voter intimidation among poor & minorities. They sure as hell don't get intimidated showing IDs when it comes to standing up for their 'right' to food stamps, disability or welfare checks!

    Your only valid reason is so that those who depend on a government handout will vote FOR the politicians that enslave them.

    West Virginia has been controlled by Democrats for 80 years now.icon_confused.gif

    We're last in almost every category...except for obesity and food stamps.

    Poor people keep voting them back into office.icon_rolleyes.gif


    What's the definition of insanity again?


    You don't have a constitutional right to enter a federal building, cash a check, or get on a plane. You do have a constitutional right to vote.

    The rest of your quasi-racist screed doesn't deserve a response. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 10, 2012 2:43 AM GMT
    You still haven't explained how it intimidates anyone to show an ID to vote in today's society. And you won't because the issue is a red-herring.

    PS: I don't know nor care enough to look and see what Ivory Tower you live in, but in WV, the poor are mostly white. So how am I 'quasi-racist' ?

    (Rhetorical question. I'm not visiting this topic again, because I learned long ago to never have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.)
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    Jun 10, 2012 5:58 AM GMT
    In the state of Florida, for example, it costs $25.00 to get an I.D. card.
    This is equivalent to the old "poll tax" where people had to pay a fee in order to be able to vote. It was outlawed around 1966.

    Someone with no drivers license or passport or other identification (usually a poor person, and usually a person of color) should not have to pay any fee, what so ever, to be able to vote.

    If a state government insists on having picture I.D. cards, they should be at no charge to the would be voter.

    Regardless, I have read in numerous publications that instances of people attempting to vote, who are not eligible to vote, are extremely rare. In other words, politicians are attempting to legislate a solution for something that is not a problem.

    In fact, they are creating a problem by instituting a change in voting regulations that would discourage or PREVENT eligible voters from voting, because of the fee for the mandatory I.D. card.




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    Jun 10, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidIn the state of Florida, for example, it costs $25.00 to get an I.D. card.
    This is equivalent to the old "poll tax" where people had to pay a fee in order to be able to vote. It was outlawed around 1966.

    Someone with no drivers license or passport or other identification (usually a poor person, and usually a person of color) should not have to pay any fee, what so ever, to be able to vote.

    If a state government insists on having picture I.D. cards, they should be at no charge to the would be voter.

    Regardless, I have read in numerous publications that instances of people attempting to vote, who are not eligible to vote, are extremely rare. In other words, politicians are attempting to legislate a solution for something that is not a problem.

    In fact, they are creating a problem by instituting a change in voting regulations that would discourage or PREVENT eligible voters from voting, because of the fee for the mandatory I.D. card.


    Yup.
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    Jun 10, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said You still haven't explained how it intimidates anyone to show an ID to vote in today's society. And you won't because the issue is a red-herring.

    PS: I don't know nor care enough to look and see what Ivory Tower you live in, but in WV, the poor are mostly white. So how am I 'quasi-racist' ?

    (Rhetorical question. I'm not visiting this topic again, because I learned long ago to never have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.)



    This is the racist part of your post:

    StudlyScrewRiteAnd don't hand me that horseshit about voter intimidation among poor & minorities. They sure as hell don't get intimidated showing IDs when it comes to standing up for their 'right' to food stamps, disability or welfare checks!