Peace of Mind

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    Jun 07, 2012 6:58 AM GMT
    "The purpose of existence is none other than to exist.
    Because it exists only to exist,
    Existing itself has no purpose."

    -Greenhopper
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    Jun 07, 2012 7:00 AM GMT
    Ow, my brain...
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    Jun 07, 2012 7:07 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said"The purpose of existence is none other than to exist.
    Because it exists only to exist,
    Existing itself has no purpose."

    -Greenhopper



    Why is the purpose of existence none other than to exist though?

    Perhaps there are dual purposes or perhaps it was the effect of another Cause being "non-existence" thereby giving "non-existence" a purpose also.

    With this being the most obvious possibility, existence seems much less important; therefore, for every Cause there is an effect. Deciding which one holds more purpose is really up to you.

    I find the purpose of non-existence cannot be comprehended because within it there is a much deeper purpose than just existing.
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    Jun 07, 2012 11:19 AM GMT
    Sustenance said
    GreenHopper said"The purpose of existence is none other than to exist.
    Because it exists only to exist,
    Existing itself has no purpose."

    -Greenhopper



    Why is the purpose of existence none other than to exist though?

    Perhaps there are dual purposes or perhaps it was the effect of another Cause being "non-existence" thereby giving "non-existence" a purpose also.

    With this being the most obvious possibility, existence seems much less important; therefore, for every Cause there is an effect. Deciding which one holds more purpose is really up to you.

    I find the purpose of non-existence cannot be comprehended because within it there is a much deeper purpose than just existing.


    And thus, peace of mind is escaped! Who on earth is interested in non-existence if it does not exist?

    1) "another cause being non-existence".... how can the cause of "non-existence" even "be"? That is impossible... since it does not exist... it cannot come into "being".. what does not exist.. "is" not.. by its very definition... something can only exist if it can "be".. otherwise no

    2) Cause and effect and purpose exist within existence.... existence itself knows none of that

    3) Why try to comprehend non-existence if it does not exist? Why even speak of comprehending what does not exist? It is impossible anyway... may as well give up and exist instead!
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    Jun 07, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    Sustenance said
    GreenHopper said"The purpose of existence is none other than to exist.
    Because it exists only to exist,
    Existing itself has no purpose."

    -Greenhopper



    Why is the purpose of existence none other than to exist though?

    Perhaps there are dual purposes or perhaps it was the effect of another Cause being "non-existence" thereby giving "non-existence" a purpose also.

    With this being the most obvious possibility, existence seems much less important; therefore, for every Cause there is an effect. Deciding which one holds more purpose is really up to you.

    I find the purpose of non-existence cannot be comprehended because within it there is a much deeper purpose than just existing.


    And thus, peace of mind is escaped! Who on earth is interested in non-existence if it does not exist?

    1) "another cause being non-existence".... how can the cause of "non-existence" even "be"? That is impossible... since it does not exist... it cannot come into "being".. what does not exist.. "is" not.. by its very definition... something can only exist if it can "be".. otherwise no

    2) Cause and effect and purpose exist within existence.... existence itself knows none of that

    3) Why try to comprehend non-existence if it does not exist? Why even speak of comprehending what does not exist? It is impossible anyway... may as well give up and exist instead!


    Why define existence if existence is all there is to begin with? Non-existence serves a purpose also.
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    Jun 07, 2012 3:26 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said"The purpose of existence is none other than to exist.
    Because it exists only to exist,
    Existing itself has no purpose."

    -Greenhopper
    Love this guy's soul
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    Jun 07, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    mybud said
    GreenHopper said"The purpose of existence is none other than to exist.
    Because it exists only to exist,
    Existing itself has no purpose."

    -Greenhopper
    Love this guy's soul


    Not bad at playing with symantics; however, I believe the purpose of our existence is to experience, not just to exist. I would hate to be a couch potato in a coma.

    Which philosopher was it that ruled out existence? I forget which one it was.
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    Jun 07, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
    I had a piece of mind for breakfast.

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    Jun 09, 2012 1:32 AM GMT
    Sustenance said
    mybud said
    GreenHopper said"The purpose of existence is none other than to exist.
    Because it exists only to exist,
    Existing itself has no purpose."

    -Greenhopper
    Love this guy's soul


    Not bad at playing with symantics; however, I believe the purpose of our existence is to experience, not just to exist. I would hate to be a couch potato in a coma.


    Hmm, but to be a couch potato in a coma is also an experience... by existing.... experiencing goes automatically....it is less a purpose, rather than an inseparable part of existing in itself...

    To put it differently: an object exists... and experiences its own existence as outside existences with which it co-exists...

    But to co-exist, one must have the two... one cannot exist without the other like yin and yang... experience of things is because the one perceives the other... all this is impossible without existence.. and existence is not possible without separation of the two... if the two would fuse, existence would lead to non-existence.. thus experience = inherent in existence

    To put it clearly.. existing is active, it is something we DO actively... experiencing is something that is passive... we UNDERGO our experiences... it is not so much purpose as it is a necessary opposing aspect of the same thing...

    If you prefer, I could put it this way:

    The purpose of being is merely to be
    Because to be is only to be
    Being itself has no purpose

    -Greenhopper

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    Jun 09, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    You are just restating a word in which it's definition applies to itself... I could further conclude that existing objects are within the mind of God and the purpose of God is to experience itself. We are part of God and Ernest Holmes is a remarkable study.
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:27 AM GMT
    Sustenance saidYou are just restating a word in which it's definition applies to itself... I could further conclude that existing objects are within the mind of God and the purpose of God is to experience itself. We are part of God and Ernest Holmes is a remarkable study.


    I wholly agree with the above... that is why I stated what I stated icon_smile.gif

    Or otherwise: as its purpose is to experience itself... it has no purpose.. to have purpose would imply going from the self to an other... but it does not do so.. instead, it experiences itself, and in doing so exists in two states, self and other, otherwise, existence cannot be... hance .. it exists to exist .. hence .. no purpose other than to do what it does, thus no purpose... it does to do... it is to be... it experiences to experience... its purpose of being, is being in itself .. thus no real "purpose" as implied in the term purpose, of having a "goal".. because by being, it is its own goal
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:32 AM GMT
    There is no purpose to existence. That's why you just exist. That's why there is no one "destined" to be anything, unless they work hard and make decisions to put themselves there.

    Existence is what you make of it, but don't be fooled into believing there is some great significance to any one of our lives.

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    Jun 09, 2012 3:02 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    Sustenance saidYou are just restating a word in which it's definition applies to itself... I could further conclude that existing objects are within the mind of God and the purpose of God is to experience itself. We are part of God and Ernest Holmes is a remarkable study.


    I wholly agree with the above... that is why I stated what I stated icon_smile.gif

    Or otherwise: as its purpose is to experience itself... it has no purpose.. to have purpose would imply going from the self to an other... but it does not do so.. instead, it experiences itself, and in doing so exists in two states, self and other, otherwise, existence cannot be... hance .. it exists to exist .. hence .. no purpose other than to do what it does, thus no purpose... it does to do... it is to be... it experiences to experience... its purpose of being, is being in itself .. thus no real "purpose" as implied in the term purpose, of having a "goal".. because by being, it is its own goal


    Ah... But the 'purpose' is to inform you of the word. The existence of the 'word' implies there is more than just 'existence'. It's 'being' informs you of it's existence... so on and so on...

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