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Gaining Muscle, Losing Fat...a difficult balancing act?
Tyinstl Posts: 119
Jul 28, 2008 5:38 AM GMT
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I've been told that to lose fat one should have a caloric deficit and to gain muscle one should have a caloric surplus.

You can't do both. So my question is this: is it possible to both gain muscle and lose fat at the same time? If so, should I consume less or more?

My daily calorie allowance is about 4100, so about how much should I eat?

UncleverName Posts: 387
Jul 28, 2008 1:51 PM GMT
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From what I read in "Scrawny to Brawny", you want to figure out what your calorie needs are for a non-exercise day, and figure out what they are for an exercise day. Then, if you want to put on muscle mass, up that by about 250 calories at a time, with healthy stuff (whole grain rice, maybe a bit more protein, fish oil, omega 3 fats, etc). If you aren't seeing the growth that you want, add another 250 calories. Keep increasing until you see the growth that you want.

In theory, you don't want to lose weight; you want to lose fat, and gain muscle. What I found to be the most effective to do this, personally, was to focus on heavy compound lifts. Squats, deadlifts, and pullups (plus hang or power cleans and snatches) can help boost your testosterone, which in turn helps you pack on the muscles. Building up your legs (which have the largest muscles in your body) will also kick up your metabolism even higher, which will help you burn fat faster/easier.

As others have posted in other threads, it sounds easier to do one at a time, and once you've reached your goal, switch. I managed to put on lean muscle mass and take off fat just doing tons of extra hard lifting, so that might work for you also.

Good luck!
bryanc_74 Posts: 142
Jul 28, 2008 4:55 PM GMT
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It is possible to do both simultaneously (AND without violating the laws of thermodynamics), but the vast majority of people don't have the time, energy or know-how to do it. And even if they do have the time, energy and know-how, it is FAR FAR FAR less efficient than committing to one path or the other at any given time.

It doesn't matter which one you do first. Losing fat has a higher "bang for your buck" because the illusion of being muscular hinges largely on definition. But highly defined thin guys still end up looking thin without some bulk. So do whichever you want. Enjoy the journey
scally Posts: 132
Jul 28, 2008 6:07 PM GMT
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just add more cardio
bryanc_74 Posts: 142
Jul 28, 2008 7:55 PM GMT
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scally saidjust add more cardio


Um. That just digs into your "calories out" column. No sense in eating more of you're just gonna waste 'em.
YngHungSFSD Posts: 383
Jul 28, 2008 8:09 PM GMT
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Actually doing more cardio is pretty helpful. You can feed the muscle and burn the fat at the same time. There are a lot of factors to doing this right, it takes serious attention to detail and dedicated effort. However, in the long run you are better off doing this then running very low cal diets. Low cal diets can work for rapid fat loss, but they can be very detrimental to a wide range of systems in your body resulting in all kinds of unexpected side effects. You are way better off to eat and burn the calories then to dramatically reduce your eating. If you time the right nutrients to the right times you can build muscle and burn fat. I highly suggest Tom Venuto's Ebook "Burn the fat, Feed the Muscle". It's a large book with some of the best in current dietary/fitness thinking. I'm not affiliated with Tom and I don't make any profit from the book, so I can say from an unbiased perspective that his principles work to do just this if you follow them consistently.

AMT87 Posts: 717
Jul 28, 2008 8:29 PM GMT
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If you increase your lean muscle mass without gaining extra fat. You're weight will increase and your body fat percentage will decrease.


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Aug 04, 2008 11:18 PM GMT
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the question is have you been able to do it so far on your current training and diet regime? Do you have a tendency to add fat?

Your diet needs to be squeeky clean keeping fat intake to sub 25% as you want the body to metabolise retained fat and not waste its efforts on dietary fat.

Its not an impossible task but as others have said you are going to need to be anal about your diet recording everything you eat and that means weighing and calorie counting and your training needs to be spot on.

Its a hard task and probably best left to the professionals. One of the best strategies to finding your level is a very slow approach but to gradually ioncrease your dierary intake by 200 calories a day every fortnight. Its easier to cut back if the fat starts to go on, but then that involves regular measuring and body fat analysis. Hence so many go for cycles
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