Black Leaders and Gay Advocates March in Step

  • honeybadger

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    Jun 10, 2012 12:05 PM GMT
    It's way over due but glad to read this:

    For years, gay rights organizations and major civil rights organizations viewed each other warily. African-American leaders often saw the gay rights groups as insensitive to racial concerns, and some resented the movement’s use of civil rights language to make the case for same-sex marriage. Advocates for gay rights, in turn, sometimes blamed socially conservative African-Americans for their defeat in crucial electoral battles.

    But since the relationship reached something of a crisis with the passage of Proposition 8, California’s ballot initiative against same-sex marriage, in 2008, leaders in both movements have made an effort to bring their groups closer together.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/nyregion/black-leaders-and-gay-advocates-find-ways-to-march-in-step.html?exprod=myyahoo
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    Jun 10, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
    Finally, a step in the right direction.
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    Jun 10, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
    It's about time!! Now lets move forward TOGETHER!icon_wink.gificon_wink.gif

    “You must be for the civil rights of everyone, or you’re not for the civil rights of anyone,” Mr. Sharpton said last week.



  • tuffguyndc

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    Jun 10, 2012 3:59 PM GMT
    i hate to say it but i use to be one of those people. however, i grown and learned that human rights and civil rights are the same no matter what your color or sex is. i think i was against because unlike blacks people, gays can easily deny being gay. where as blacks can not deny being black. we can not hide our color. however, wrong is wrong. as my grandmother use to say two wrongs do not make a right
  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 10, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    This is a great story and a great development!
    Also another failure for the social conservative bigots, who tried to turn gays and blacks against each other. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 10, 2012 7:55 PM GMT
    We want Black Leaders on our side; Let's be on theirs.

    Standing up to racism is a fight we have to take as seriously as our own.

    Discrimination against gays isn't all that obvious to most heteros. Other than lack of marriage rights(A BIG RIGHT TO FORFEIT!).......Discrimination against gays probably doesn't even seem that obvious to you.

    Especially if you've got "cool straight friends" and your boss thinks you're great "even if you Do It with goats" as he says-----------you may be able to ignore the discrimination others in our community face.

    RACISM isn't all that easy to see if you are White, even if you are Gay and White. RACISM is also painful to think about. But we know that ignoring the painful issues doesn't make them go away.

    Let's commit ourselves to listening to the Black Community Leaders so that we can consider our role in helping. Let's find some common ground.

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    Jun 10, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    Balancing saidWe want Black Leaders on our side; Let's be on theirs.

    Standing up to racism is a fight we have to take as seriously as our own.

    Discrimination against gays isn't all that obvious to most heteros. Other than lack of marriage rights(A BIG RIGHT TO FORFEIT!).......Discrimination against gays probably doesn't even seem that obvious to you.

    Especially if you've got "cool straight friends" and your boss thinks you're great "even if you Do It with goats" as he says-----------you may be able to ignore the discrimination others in our community face.

    RACISM isn't all that easy to see if you are White, even if you are Gay and White. RACISM is also painful to think about. But we know that ignoring the painful issues doesn't make them go away.

    Let's commit ourselves to listening to the Black Community Leaders so that we can consider our role in helping. Let's find some common ground.



    Who are you? I love this post.
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    Jun 10, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN, THANK YOU.

    I'm a 55yr old White guy who grew up in THE SOUTH.

    And apparently I LOOK LIKE A RACIST.....because I have had fellow white guys(usually older but some younger) tell me their proudest moments of discriminating against Blacks,

    Ignoring Racism was never an option for me.

    I do think it's easy for younger Whites and Blacks to forget the struggle that was necessary to get us even as far as we are today.

    And as gay men we've each had our own struggle to accept ourselves----to plead for the acceptance of our families and society-------and now to Demand Equality.

    We have so much in common already. Now let's do a better job of listening to each other.
  • great_scott

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    Jun 10, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    Sometimes I do feel like the comparisons are a bit overused and opportunistic, especially given the state of race relations within the gay community. Being both, I would never compare simply being one to the other. I already know they're two different experiences. I would definitely agree that civil rights are civil rights, but I also wish we could establish some stronger arguments of our own rather than so frequently leaning on the civil rights movement or other movements where the people didn't have any other movements to lean on while they were struggling. It kinda comes off as a crutch.
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    Jun 10, 2012 11:59 PM GMT
    great_scott saidSometimes I do feel like the comparisons are a bit overused and opportunistic, especially given the state of race relations within the gay community. Being both, I would never compare simply being one to the other. I already know they're two different experiences. I would definitely agree that civil rights are civil rights, but I also wish we could establish some stronger arguments of our own rather than so frequently leaning on the civil rights movement or other movements where the people didn't have any other movements to lean on while they were struggling. It kinda comes off as a crutch.
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    Jun 11, 2012 12:22 AM GMT
    Awesome news.... also I want to remind all readers that according to National Geographic (google Genographic project), all human on earth today came from a tribe in Africa 60,000 years ago. This tribe still exist in Africa. Everyone on earth carry their DNA... and ... new mutations to change skin color/ facial features to adapt to new environment... Bottom line: all human is one single race, and underneath the skin, all human are African... Also the United Nation removed the word 'race' from their vocabulary because it's moronic to use it... and to label people 'black' or 'white' is just as unscientific... just outdated words.