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    Jun 11, 2012 4:58 AM GMT
    i'm not sure it's a real thing.
    if you don't believe in the God of the Bible, and have some other way of viewing existence, then, what the fuck is love? an idea?
    it feels like all it is is pressure and idealism.

    i think we, as homos, have less incentive to believe in things the church teaches or that society encourages....... so.... what is my point? i'm not sure. a few drinks and a few extra plates of dinner haven't set back this rotten feeling.

    i think i want to pack my bags and drive for a few days and not look back.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:15 AM GMT
    Love and religion are two different things with nothing to do with each other. It would make more sense to me if it is monogamy and religion.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:18 AM GMT
    ricky1987 saidLove and religion are two different things with nothing to do with each other. It would make more sense to me if it is monogamy and religion.


    but... you know the "definition" of love, as stated in the Bible? the whole "love is patient, love is kind" thing? that's been the only definition of love i've been taught, up until maybe.... a year or two ago. "God is love" and if you love someone or something, it's because it's from God. but what if God has nothing to do with it? what is it? say we came to be as a result of evolution, survival of the fittest, and "God" wasn't involved at all, then the definition of "love" would be radically different.

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    Jun 11, 2012 5:28 AM GMT
    Emesis54 said
    ricky1987 saidLove and religion are two different things with nothing to do with each other. It would make more sense to me if it is monogamy and religion.


    but... you know the "definition" of love, as stated in the Bible? the whole "love is patient, love is kind" thing? that's been the only definition of love i've been taught, up until maybe.... a year or two ago. "God is love" and if you love someone or something, it's because it's from God. but what if God has nothing to do with it? what is it? say we came to be as a result of evolution, survival of the fittest, and "God" wasn't involved at all, then the definition of "love" would be radically different.




    I haven't read the bible but I do know that pretty much every religion has a theory on love, peace and toleranceb (at least in theory) but the idea love comes from God is debatable.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:28 AM GMT
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    Emesis54 said
    ricky1987 saidLove and religion are two different things with nothing to do with each other. It would make more sense to me if it is monogamy and religion.


    but... you know the "definition" of love, as stated in the Bible? the whole "love is patient, love is kind" thing? that's been the only definition of love i've been taught, up until maybe.... a year or two ago. "God is love" and if you love someone or something, it's because it's from God. but what if God has nothing to do with it? what is it? say we came to be as a result of evolution, survival of the fittest, and "God" wasn't involved at all, then the definition of "love" would be radically different.



    Why do you seek a purpose in everything? You're looking for a reason where there doesn't have to be any.


    if i'm basing my professed love for someone or their love for me off of a fleeting feeling.... who's to say that that feeling won't just go away in 20 minutes?
    because it does, if that's what love is.
    then i don't trust love, because love is just a feeling.
    when people say "i love you", i get uncomfortable. either it means something real, deep, lasting, or it's just a fucking feeling that people are making a big deal about.

    so...... as of now, i think it's all just emotion, and it's stupid.
    we'll see how well i do with relationships!
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:34 AM GMT
    Do you need the bible to define what "enjoyment", "sadness", "interest", "dedication", "irritation", "ambivalence" mean?

    It's a feeling. It's defined by how it feels. Keep it simple.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    SkinnyBitch saidDo you need the bible to define what "enjoyment", "sadness", "interest", "dedication", "irritation", "ambivalence" mean?

    It's a feeling. It's defined by how it feels. Keep it simple.


    i get what you're saying.

    i still don't understand how i'm to trust someone who "loves" me if it's just a feeling. or why i should invest in anything based on "love" more than i would base anything off of someone's passing emotion.

    people are so emphatic about "love" and how it's the strongest force in life... and how it's the thing that matters most.

    why isn't being gassy just as important? apparently they're both on about the same level.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:45 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidLove is a concept .. it is not a real thing ... not like pain or joy or elation or tired ness .... and the Bible says no such thing about love being patient and kind ... that is a misinterpretation ... The correct and original intermpretation is: "Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up;"

    Love actually covers a number of things such as a fulfillment or a sense of security to be with another, or a longing for someone or something or a internal sense of nurturing

    Not that I don't believe in God .. but the word love is not really easily definable .. it is more of a concept or state of being


    is this a common belief? i wonder what the general consensus is regarding how to define love. i know a few people who stick with the biblical "definition."

    maybe i just need to get out of this hellhole. the bible belt is suffocating.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
    Emesis54 said
    AMoonHawk saidLove is a concept .. it is not a real thing ... not like pain or joy or elation or tired ness .... and the Bible says no such thing about love being patient and kind ... that is a misinterpretation ... The correct and original intermpretation is: "Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up;"

    Love actually covers a number of things such as a fulfillment or a sense of security to be with another, or a longing for someone or something or a internal sense of nurturing

    Not that I don't believe in God .. but the word love is not really easily definable .. it is more of a concept or state of being


    is this a common belief? i wonder what the general consensus is regarding how to define love. i know a few people who stick with the biblical "definition."

    maybe i just need to get out of this hellhole. the bible belt is suffocating.


    I don't have a definition of love but I feel good when my boyfriend or family or close friends tell me that they love me.
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    Jun 11, 2012 6:04 AM GMT
    Emesis54 said
    SkinnyBitch saidDo you need the bible to define what "enjoyment", "sadness", "interest", "dedication", "irritation", "ambivalence" mean?

    It's a feeling. It's defined by how it feels. Keep it simple.


    i get what you're saying.

    i still don't understand how i'm to trust someone who "loves" me if it's just a feeling. or why i should invest in anything based on "love" more than i would base anything off of someone's passing emotion.

    people are so emphatic about "love" and how it's the strongest force in life... and how it's the thing that matters most.

    why isn't being gassy just as important? apparently they're both on about the same level.

    Well I don't believe in trust. Trust to me is saying "I've decided that something definitely will happen when it could turn out either way".
    But you speak about love like it's a gear you shift into. You love if you love, just as you feel sad when you feel sad. It's not really something you choose to do, and it grows into being rather than switching to "love mode".

    If you're talking about someone else claiming they love you. Well there's no way to know if they love you they way you define the word, even if they say they do. Fortunately it's not up to you to approve that they do, it's up to them.

    When they say love is the strongest force, they mean "love can make you willing to die for the one you love". Gassiness won't do that... unless it's really bad and makes you want to die.
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    Jun 11, 2012 6:13 AM GMT
    Emesis54 said..what if God has nothing to do with it? what is it? say we came to be as a result of evolution, survival of the fittest, and "God" wasn't involved at all, then the definition of "love" would be radically different.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love
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    Jun 11, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
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    Well I don't believe in trust. Trust to me is saying "I've decided that something definitely will happen when it could turn out either way".
    But you speak about love like it's a gear you shift into. You love if you love, just as you feel sad when you feel sad. It's not really something you choose to do, and it grows into being rather than switching to "love mode".

    If you're talking about someone else claiming they love you. Well there's no way to know if they love you they way you define the word, even if they say they do. Fortunately it's not up to you to approve that they do, it's up to them.

    When they say love is the strongest force, they mean "love can make you willing to die for the one you love". Gassiness won't do that... unless it's really bad and makes you want to die.


    So... seeing love as something that isn't trustworthy, how would you go about establishing a long-term relationship with a guy? I'm guessing your answer is something along the lines of letting it happen day by day, if the feelings continue to be there, if it continues to make sense.

    It's hard, to me, to know what to do with this topic. It seems (to me) that the people who aren't terrified of commitment are basing (almost all of) their hopes and dreams off of the possibility of "falling in love" and having a secure lifetime of thrills and ecstasy with that person. My brain won't let me do that. I don't trust the love dynamic, either.

    ricky1987 said
    I don't have a definition of love but I feel good when my boyfriend or family or close friends tell me that they love me.


    i do too, sometimes. my issue with it is when "love" is used to gain power over someone else..... it feels like ownership to me. start using "love" with a person and what appears are the dynamics of ownership, obligation, and fakeness. maybe it's just me. maybe it's my upbringing or churched up environment.


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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love
    Chemical_basis_of_love.png


    interesting...
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    Jun 12, 2012 5:58 AM GMT
    Emesis54 saidSo... seeing love as something that isn't trustworthy, how would you go about establishing a long-term relationship with a guy? I'm guessing your answer is something along the lines of letting it happen day by day, if the feelings continue to be there, if it continues to make sense.

    It's hard, to me, to know what to do with this topic. It seems (to me) that the people who aren't terrified of commitment are basing (almost all of) their hopes and dreams off of the possibility of "falling in love" and having a secure lifetime of thrills and ecstasy with that person. My brain won't let me do that. I don't trust the love dynamic, either.

    Well I don't do relationships. It used to be something I was desperate for, and had a lot of problems trying to figure out how it was possible, until I realized I'm not the kind of person that can be happy in a relationship, purely because of my freakish mental configuration. Not believing in trust is a big thing. I would frequently doubt the guy's interest in me, and that kind of arms-lengthing extinguishes romance.

    I do think it's a bad idea for anyone to set expectations and goals for their partner. That's why I don't like marriage and 5-year plans. You don't know if someone who thinks you're the love of their life will change in 4 years and decide you aren't. You might decide you want to have kids in 5 years, but when the time comes you realize kids are actually not all they're cracked up to be. I've gone through too many changes in my life, and had too many plans get blown to microscopic bits to expect anything to happen as I expect it to (long-term). And to put that expectation on a partner (to me) is not part of loving them. It's loving your dream more than loving them.


    theantijock said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love
    Chemical_basis_of_love.png

    Now I know the ingredients to anyone fall in love with me! Unattainable men, here I come!
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    Jun 12, 2012 6:15 AM GMT
    ricky1987 saidLove and religion are two different things with nothing to do with each other. It would make more sense to me if it is monogamy and religion.





    I think "love" now a days is a culmination of relIgious views, monogomy, old idealized view points of love and newer theories. Most of it being misguided in one manner or another. Some positive and some negative.

    That said, love to me is a very complex and simple gut feeling that one feels. It is mixtures of pain, joy, fear, sadness, happiness and pure uninhibited completeness.
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    Jun 12, 2012 9:06 AM GMT
    I never really understood what love was for a long time. I used to wonder why and what it was till I actually fell in love. Once you really experience it, it's unmistakable. It's not something easily explained. The best way I can describe it is caring about someone so intensely that their well being is more important than anything including your own. It will cause you to do illogical things and act in ways that will confuse and surprise yourself. To fall out of love in my opinion is when the logical side of you breaks the emotional side of you.

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    Jun 13, 2012 6:47 AM GMT
    Ckfeezy saidIt will cause you to do illogical things and act in ways that will confuse and surprise yourself. To fall out of love in my opinion is when the logical side of you breaks the emotional side of you.

    My logical side is formidable. Not even love can break it! *kisses logical biceps*