Cyclist dies.....

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    Jun 11, 2012 1:02 PM GMT
    http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2012-06-10/cyclist-dies-when-car-hits-him-dowell-road

    This man and his brother grew up neighbors with me and my brother. Growing up, we always spent all our time together. Jeff was training for a triathlon.

    The guy that hit him was texting even though it was left out of the article.

    Jeff had a wife that was also an attorney and two children, ages 8 and 10.

    His father-in-law was killed 9 days earlier, the same way.

    I wanted to post this just to say that I hope the cyclists on here will be careful when you're on the road.

    The only reason I post this is to say that I hope y'all are careful when you're out there. It's so odd that both Jeff and his father-in-law died the same way 9 days apart.
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    Jun 11, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
    Tragic. Texting while driving has to be one of the biggest curses the technology brings. I don't like mandatory sentences, but for killing or injuring, might be what is needed - and applied at any age.
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    Jun 11, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    Thanks, Paul, for sharing this. I'm a cyclist and am very aware of all the dangers when out on the roads, even the ones that seem tranquil and safe.
    But it's always good to be reminded.

    I really hope this gets through to anyone out there who texts while driving--anything can happen in the blink of an eye that can alter (or end) the lives of others who are just going about their daily business. Texting while driving seems to me to be the ultimate in reckless inconsideration of others.
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    Jun 11, 2012 2:06 PM GMT
    i've been knocked over on my bicycle several times in my parents neighborhood, a wealthy enclave of Metairie outside of New Orleans (i live in the fishing village by the lake ;-) . The prevailing mindset is "my time is so very important that i just don't care". No one knows how to drive, they're all on their phones, talking or texting. They don't look before they make turns and they don't stop either.
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    Jun 11, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    Wow, that really is tragic. I just got back from a 25-mile ride and was cursed at by two people in two separate cars for not riding on the bike path, who both then proceeded to nearly force me off the road to teach me a "lesson". I can somewhat understand their frustration (their tax dollars went to put that bike path in), but when I'm riding at 20-25 mph, a bike path littered with walkers/runners/strollers/rollerbladers isn't really practical. I'd likely get cursed at by them for riding too fast. Plus, the bike paths are covered in broken glass in that one area, and I've had too many flat tires to voluntarily deal with that. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. But stories like this make me think twice....sad.
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    Jun 11, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    dd_bosmvy saidWow, that really is tragic. I just got back from a 25-mile ride and was cursed at by two people in two separate cars for not riding on the bike path, who both then proceeded to nearly force me off the road to teach me a "lesson". I can somewhat understand their frustration (their tax dollars went to put that bike path in), but when I'm riding at 20-25 mph, a bike path littered with walkers/runners/strollers/rollerbladers isn't really practical. I'd likely get cursed at by them for riding too fast. Plus, the bike paths are covered in broken glass in that one area, and I've had too many flat tires to voluntarily deal with that. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. But stories like this make me think twice....sad.


    I was talking about this mentality to my bf that doesn't bike because he thinks I exaggerate the maliciousness of many drivers. I've never had someone bump me accidentally at the grocery store and then proceed to flip the finger but cycling I get intentionally cut off all e time. I was going almost 50kph on a straight clear road and some guy pulled out right in front of me. I braked and skidded to a stop inches from his car door. He then grinned and flipped me the finger. Idont get what it is about getting behind a wheel for some people that literally turns them into psychopathic monsters

    Some cabi here was just convicted for intentionally hitting a cyclist a couple weeks ago. The ops story is awful and to have 2 people taken by such stupidity in 2 weeks says a lot I think.
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    Jun 11, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    Horrible. Some guy in his 50s was killed about a year ago by two cars drag racing not far from my home. Family/friends erected a white bike there where they lay flowers.

    This happens a lot in Florida and many of them are hit and run as was the one I mentioned. I was clipped once riding in Lauderdale. Got my bike wobbling but I managed to not fall. I caught up with the bastid at a red light. A little ol' lady. She refused to lower her window and took off when the light changed. I got her license number and called it into the police but I doubt they did anything and I did not pursue it.

    This is one of the reasons I prefer trail riding. Florida finally has a law stating that cars must give bikes 3 feet of clearance but nobody knows about it. I've written newspapers that they should include notification of the law whenever they write about a cyclist's death but they continue to waste that morbidly unique opportunity to inform the public and try to make biking safer.

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    Jun 11, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    dd_bosmvy saidWow, that really is tragic. I just got back from a 25-mile ride and was cursed at by two people in two separate cars for not riding on the bike path, who both then proceeded to nearly force me off the road to teach me a "lesson". I can somewhat understand their frustration (their tax dollars went to put that bike path in), but when I'm riding at 20-25 mph, a bike path littered with walkers/runners/strollers/rollerbladers isn't really practical. I'd likely get cursed at by them for riding too fast. Plus, the bike paths are covered in broken glass in that one area, and I've had too many flat tires to voluntarily deal with that. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. But stories like this make me think twice....sad.


    Huge problem. Also people often park with their cars sticking out into bike lines, they don't give a shit, and stupid ass huge personal trucks have side view mirrors that stick out into bike lanes.
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    Jun 11, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
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    Jun 11, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    A real tragedy and Paul, I'm sorry for the loss. As for texting and driving, it's just like drinking, it's not going to go away. The best is to just keep hammering it into people that it's a deadly thing to do. Very sad indeed for his family!
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    Jun 11, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidA real tragedy and Paul, I'm sorry for the loss. As for texting and driving, it's just like drinking, it's not going to go away. The best is to just keep hammering it into people that it's a deadly thing to do. Very sad indeed for his family!



    Sad but so true. I wish I could say I was never guilty of it myself, but I have been. It's a really hard habit to break and about the only way to do it is put your phone in the glove box or backseat so you are not tempted. I think technology will have to be applied at some point that makes texting impossible, maybe even renders handsets inoperable while the car's engine is running. It's a problem that is only getting worse as people become more and more dependent (and addicted) to their smart-phones.
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    Jun 11, 2012 4:12 PM GMT
    Incredibly sad. Texting while driving needs a national law, has to be illegal everywhere, just a blanket law, can't do it, if you do, you lose your driving rights. I just hate these people who think their meaningless texts are so much more important than paying attention to the road.
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    Jun 11, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    Very sad. I've been cycling for years and fortunately, only one very minor accident while pace lining.
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    Jun 11, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
    In the short time I got to ride my bike, I used EXTREMELY BRIGHT SEIZURE-INDUCING STROBE LIGHTS, front and back. I had traffic stopping for me when I wanted to make a left turn. I think the lights really caught deivers' attention and activated their Danger subconscious.
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    Jun 11, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidIn the short time I got to ride my bike, I used EXTREMELY BRIGHT SEIZURE-INDUCING STROBE LIGHTS, front and back. I had traffic stopping for me when I wanted to make a left turn. I think the lights really caught deivers' attention and activated their Danger subconscious.


    Does that work in daylight? If so that's a good idea. When I had a pup I used to walk mostly at night when it was cool enough for him but then I put us in danger from passing cars (hardly any sidewalks where I lived). So I started attaching a bike light to me and that made a huge difference. Without the light, their headlights wind up on me and then they follow their headlights. With the bike light, they give noticeably more room, steering to avoid the light.

    I even tried putting some strobes on the pup's harness but he hated them so I just had one on me. Either that or simply have a small but powerful bike light in my hand that I'd shine for a few seconds in the direction of the car coming at me and they'd steer away to avoid that light too.
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    Jun 11, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
    uoft23 saidI was talking about this mentality to my bf that doesn't bike because he thinks I exaggerate the maliciousness of many drivers. I've never had someone bump me accidentally at the grocery store and then proceed to flip the finger but cycling I get intentionally cut off all e time. I was going almost 50kph on a straight clear road and some guy pulled out right in front of me. I braked and skidded to a stop inches from his car door. He then grinned and flipped me the finger. Idont get what it is about getting behind a wheel for some people that literally turns them into psychopathic monsters.

    Not seriously advocating anything but hearing stuff like that would make me want to pull out my Glock 45 and put a round into him.
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    Jun 11, 2012 4:58 PM GMT
    Texting and driving is WAY more dangerous than drunk driving.

    I wish more people would learn that. In fact, that's the ONLY reason I refuse to ever have another bicycle.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
    Sorry to hear of this. It happens far too often (even once is too often). I've known some guys who were killed on bikes and motorcycles. Takes some of the fun out of cycling, but we can't let it stop us. Stricter laws against texting - - - or tougher enforcement and penalties are needed. Remember before texting and cell phones, we had cases of irresponsible drivers screwing around with cassette tapes. One girl killed four cyclists at once while doing this.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
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    uoft23 saidI was talking about this mentality to my bf that doesn't bike because he thinks I exaggerate the maliciousness of many drivers. I've never had someone bump me accidentally at the grocery store and then proceed to flip the finger but cycling I get intentionally cut off all e time. I was going almost 50kph on a straight clear road and some guy pulled out right in front of me. I braked and skidded to a stop inches from his car door. He then grinned and flipped me the finger. Idont get what it is about getting behind a wheel for some people that literally turns them into psychopathic monsters.

    Not seriously advocating anything but hearing stuff like that would make me want to pull out my Glock 45 and put a round into him.


    I've have very seriously considered unclipping my left cleat and dragging it down the side of someone's car as they got a little too close to me in my lane or cut me off. Toronto is becoming a really hostile place for cyclists lately and I don't want to add to the escalating anger but its hard not to want to take some sort of action when drivers are becoming so hostile to cyclists.

    I think they forget we don't have 2 tons of steel protecting us and an air bag. I can't really believe any of these reckless drivers after actually hurting someone don't regret it but that doesn't help the cyclist after the fact.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
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    Caslon19000 saidIn the short time I got to ride my bike, I used EXTREMELY BRIGHT SEIZURE-INDUCING STROBE LIGHTS, front and back. I had traffic stopping for me when I wanted to make a left turn. I think the lights really caught deivers' attention and activated their Danger subconscious.


    Does that work in daylight? If so that's a good idea. When I had a pup I used to walk mostly at night when it was cool enough for him but then I put us in danger from passing cars (hardly any sidewalks where I lived). So I started attaching a bike light to me and that made a huge difference. Without the light, their headlights wind up on me and then they follow their headlights. With the bike light, they give noticeably more room, steering to avoid the light.

    I even tried putting some strobes on the pup's harness but he hated them so I just had one on me. Either that or simply have a small but powerful bike light in my hand that I'd shine for a few seconds in the direction of the car coming at me and they'd steer away to avoid that light too.

    Yea, I only have ridden in the daylight.

    I use a red and white light for the rear:
    http://spokesetc.com/product/planet-bike-super-flash-taillight-52140-1.htm
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    And an all-white light for the front:
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidIncredibly sad. Texting while driving needs a national law, has to be illegal everywhere, just a blanket law, can't do it, if you do, you lose your driving rights. I just hate these people who think their meaningless texts are so much more important than paying attention to the road.


    Agreed. I also can't understand why people are allowed to talk on their handhelds while driving in some states. It's illegal in CT and NY, where I used to live, but perfectly legal in MA. Sooo many close calls with jackasses yapping away on their cells, with no care or regard for anyone around them they might kill. I'm usually all about the government staying out of our lives, but texting and talking on the phone is a proven danger and should be outlawed.

    A kid here in MA just got a year in jail for killing someone while texting...it got a lot of national press, but I doubt it will change anything here.
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
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    smartmoney saidIncredibly sad. Texting while driving needs a national law, has to be illegal everywhere, just a blanket law, can't do it, if you do, you lose your driving rights. I just hate these people who think their meaningless texts are so much more important than paying attention to the road.


    Agreed. I also can't understand why people are allowed to talk on their handhelds while driving in some states. It's illegal in CT and NY, where I used to live, but perfectly legal in MA. Sooo many close calls with jackasses yapping away on their cells, with no care or regard for anyone around them they might kill. I'm usually all about the government staying out of our lives, but texting and talking on the phone is a proven danger and should be outlawed.

    A kid here in MA just got a year in jail for killing someone while texting...it got a lot of national press, but I doubt it will change anything here.

    Only a year????
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
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    smartmoney saidIncredibly sad. Texting while driving needs a national law, has to be illegal everywhere, just a blanket law, can't do it, if you do, you lose your driving rights. I just hate these people who think their meaningless texts are so much more important than paying attention to the road.


    Agreed. I also can't understand why people are allowed to talk on their handhelds while driving in some states. It's illegal in CT and NY, where I used to live, but perfectly legal in MA. Sooo many close calls with jackasses yapping away on their cells, with no care or regard for anyone around them they might kill. I'm usually all about the government staying out of our lives, but texting and talking on the phone is a proven danger and should be outlawed.

    A kid here in MA just got a year in jail for killing someone while texting...it got a lot of national press, but I doubt it will change anything here.

    Only a year????


    Yeah, can you believe it? He seriously injured a passenger in the other car too. I think it ended up being a year in jail and 18mos probation. Not nearly enough in my mind....
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    Jun 11, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
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    smartmoney saidIncredibly sad. Texting while driving needs a national law, has to be illegal everywhere, just a blanket law, can't do it, if you do, you lose your driving rights. I just hate these people who think their meaningless texts are so much more important than paying attention to the road.


    Agreed. I also can't understand why people are allowed to talk on their handhelds while driving in some states. It's illegal in CT and NY, where I used to live, but perfectly legal in MA. Sooo many close calls with jackasses yapping away on their cells, with no care or regard for anyone around them they might kill. I'm usually all about the government staying out of our lives, but texting and talking on the phone is a proven danger and should be outlawed.

    A kid here in MA just got a year in jail for killing someone while texting...it got a lot of national press, but I doubt it will change anything here.

    Only a year????


    Yeah, can you believe it? He seriously injured a passenger in the other car too. I think it ended up being a year in jail and 18mos probation. Not nearly enough in my mind....

    Not when somebody lost his whole life, like the poor fellow in this thread.
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    Jun 11, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidYea, I only have ridden in the daylight.

    I use a red and white light for the rear:
    http://spokesetc.com/product/planet-bike-super-flash-taillight-52140-1.htm

    And an all-white light for the front:
    http://spokesetc.com/product/bontrager-ion-2-headlight-76166-1.htm


    Cool. Gonna try it.

    Florida get's so hot especially in summer that it is not unusual for me to ride at night. For off-road I've even got high beams with the turbocats. They're so bright that when I put that bike on the road drivers don't just steer away but they slow down, unable to figure out what's coming at them.

    uoft23 saidI've have very seriously considered unclipping my left cleat and dragging it down the side of someone's car as they got a little too close to me in my lane or cut me off. Toronto is becoming a really hostile place for cyclists lately and I don't want to add to the escalating anger but its hard not to want to take some sort of action when drivers are becoming so hostile to cyclists.

    I think they forget we don't have 2 tons of steel protecting us and an air bag. I can't really believe any of these reckless drivers after actually hurting someone don't regret it but that doesn't help the cyclist after the fact.


    I have been known to hand slap the hind quarter of a car as it passes obviously too close. I've slapped'm pretty hard so it must sound inside the car as if they hit me yet they just keep driving by. Like the douche who killed the guy near me, when a lot of these guys hit, they don't even stop to offer assistance.

    I think those cases ought to be charged as murder and not just manslaughter. They might not have had the intent to hit and kill, but they did have the intent to leave and let die. That's murder in my book.