What supplement do you guys suggest for me?

  • sfboy987

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    Jul 29, 2008 7:52 AM GMT
    I'm starting to go to the gym again after a long long time, and my first day was yesterday. Anyway, now I'm trying to look for some good supplements and vitamins cause I know that's a vital part for fitness. You can look at my profile to look at my stats and goals, but put short I'm an average young guy trying to get lean. I talked to a friend of mine who's very fit about my goals, and he suggested just creatine. Another friend suggested I go to the GNC nutrition store to buy some supplements and vitamins, but to ask the people there because he wasn't sure what would be right for me. The person at the store suggested "Wheybolic Extreme 60," the same supplement my friend was actually using.

    I asked for some vitamins or something like that, and she suggested "hydroxycut." The first thought running through my mind was if this stuff is too hardcore for me, a beginner? I was then wondering if she was just trying to sell the store's most expensive stuff first. Also, I didn't want to buy anything just yet because I wanted to ask my gym's advice (24 hour fitness) and ask for advice on these forums. My roommate from college uses N.O. Explode and Cell Mass, so I was wondering if that might be better? If it's safe for me to use, I don't mind using the best, hardcore supplements and vitamians that will help me reach my goal faster and more efficiently. So what you guys think? Any advice would really help! Thanks
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    Jul 29, 2008 2:28 PM GMT
    Just a few quick points:

    - creatine alone will not get you "very lean", as you wanted in your profile. Studies have shown that it has little impact on fat mass. I'm not saying you should avoid it, just know that it's not going to carry you on its shoulders.

    - careful with going to GNC for advice. I'm biased as a competitor, but they are quite likely to upsell you instead of trying to find a good match. Case and point, "Wheybolic Extreme 60" is one of their own products and one of their more expensive. Furthermore, the 60g of protein you get out of it may be a little much for your body if you're just starting: likely, you'll just end up pissing a lot of it back out.

    - stay away from Hydroxycut and other like products. At your weight, you don't need it. If you go nuts and take it anyway, just make sure you're taking a multi-vitamin with it.

    - NO Explode and Cell Mass are both great products. However, if you're just starting, it may be better on your body to wait a couple of months or so before starting with NO (Cell Mass could help you out in the beginning, though you may not need to take it as often as the recommended intake).

    - asking for your gym's advice is definitely a very good decision.

    If I may suggest something, without being able to see your body type: start slow with the supplements. For all that you're willing to "use the best, hardcore supplements and vitamins", doing it slowly and taking the time to figure out what works best for you will save you a lot of money and frustration in the long run. I'd suggest starting with a Whey Isolate (I'm a fan of IsoFlex and IsoNatural) and possibly the Cell Mass if you're reallly interested.

    Like I said, asking your gym is definitely something you should do. Best of luck.
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    Jul 29, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
    I would do anything Blink told me to do cuz I think he is as cute as a button. But having said that...

    Dont neglect just plain eating well. There is more to nutrition than just vitamins. There are a whole host of phytonutrients that you will miss out on if you dont eat a variety of fruits and veggies.

    In the beginning, to get a lot of nutrition, try juicing.

    Here's my favorite site for researching foods:

    http://www.whfoods.com/
  • UncleverName

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    Jul 29, 2008 2:59 PM GMT
    Others may disagree with this (and with good reason).

    If you're trying to put on muscle, but stay lean, then do use a protein shake. Go for something with very little carbs though, as you will most likely mix it with something that has carbs and fat in it (milk, rice milk, soy milk). Don't pay extra to get a protein powder that has 60 grams of protein per serving. Your body can only process about 30 grams of protein at a time, and that's if, and only if, you've just done some intense and strenuous exercise.

    To answer the broader questions you don't pose (but imply, to my perceptions):

    First off, go see a certified professional trainer. Just for one session. Email/call them and tell them what your goals are, and ask them if they can take you through a workout, create a workout plan with you, and tell you what nutrition you need.

    If you can't do that, then I would say that you should just do a lot of exercise. If you want to lose weight, you can do it one of two ways (or a mix of both): plenty of cardio (running, swimming, rows, etc) or weights. Doing weights is great, because the more muscle you pack on, the more fat gets burnt off (while you're even sleeping). Doing cardio is good because it just burns fat. It all depends on how you want to look.

    The other component is nutrition. Figure out what your daily calorie needs are (do a google search for online calculators), and make sure that you eat good, clean healthy food within that calorie range. If you want to lose weight, you'll have to eat less than your daily needs. If you are going to try to put muscle on at the same time, you probably don't need to worry about going under your daily range.

    Hope that helps.
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    Jul 29, 2008 5:39 PM GMT
    For a while, I went off protein supplements and N.O. Explode stuff cuz I wasn't necessarily seeing the results I wanted, and I had been using the products for months on end.

    I turned all natural to see if there was a difference by just eating the right foods. There was a difference, though slightly minute, it was still there. Just eating the correct foods does the job just fine! Lots of fruits and nuts like they say, will go a long way....hey that rhymed! haha....

    But a mixture of supplements AND good eating is the best way to go....
  • sfboy987

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    Jul 29, 2008 10:26 PM GMT
    I definetely agree with you guys on several things here. I'm definetely NOT ignoring good nutrition because I am trying to eat the right foods. However, do I really need to freak out a lot about that? Not to make excuses, but since I'm young do I really need a serious nutritional plan? Also, I've posted up these same questions on other fitness websites and the general opinion I'm getting is that I should just use creatine and a multivitamin. Does anybody know any other good nutritonal stores in san francisco that will sell all this stuff at a cheaper price than the GNC store? The GNC store is overpriced and biased. I still have some questions though. Somebody recommended me fish oil, is that very important? Since I want to use creatine, would it also be better to buy a protein shake like regular whey protein or "optimum nutrition protein?"
  • UncleverName

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    Jul 29, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    Considering your age, the truth is you probably don't need anything. Work hard, eat well, and you will probably see the results you want to. Creatine won't likely make much difference for you. Creatine causes muscles to look better by forcing them to absorb and hold more water. It also speeds up the recovery time between sessions. The thing is, it makes your muscles bigger only while you are on it, requires that you drink tons of water, and will really only be effective if you are lifting really, really hard. Are you lifting really, really hard? If you are at that point, then you should worry about creatine. If you are not at that point (and it doesn't sound from your profile and other questions like you are), then you are better to save your money and just eat reasonably healthy. It's the same thing with protein intake. You can try taking the 60 gram protein powder, but I guarantee you're going to be farting almost all of it out unless you are seriously working your ass off in the gym, with weights.

    Try working hard enough first, and then figure out if you need supplements on top of proper nutrition. Otherwise, you are really just throwing your money away. And pretty much anyone you talk to about this in a store, and most guys at the gym, will tell you that you need all kinds of crap. You really don't, especially at your age.
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    sfboy987 said but since I'm young do I really need a serious nutritional plan?

    What does young have to do with it??? Your body needs good nutrition at all times of its life.

    You definitely need to read up on nutrition.

    Essential Nutrients in the World's Healthiest Foods

    "Essential nutrients are nutrients that your body can't make on its own. How these nutrients are introduced into your body may have a great impact on how well they are utilized. Nutrients do not work alone but in concert (synergistically) with other nutrients. The benefit of deriving nutrients from eating fresh whole foods such as those included on the list of the World's Healthiest Foods is that they provide not only an abundance of individual nutrients but also the variety necessary for their optimal function. This section is designed to inform you about the function of the various nutrients and which of the World's Healthiest Foods are the richest source for each of them."

    http://whfoods.org/nutrientstoc.php


  • sfboy987

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    Jul 29, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    Well it's not like I'm avoiding good nutrition to eat junk food. I am trying to intake more veggies, fruits, good meats, etc. However, what I meant was do I really need to freak out about every little morsel of food I eat? For example, do I have to set up a serious dairy of every food I eat, make sure I'm taking in the right calories, carbs, protein, fat, organic foods, etc? I don't think I'm going overboard with the calories or under, so do I really need to freak out about everything I eat? Frankly, that would discourage me and stress me out from my goals. Though, if it really is that necessary then I guess I'll give it a try. Oh and btw I think I'll consider getting the creatine and maybe some protein stuff, and definetely a multivitamin.
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    Supplements affect your overall daily biochemistry at the margin. If you're not prepared for a decent level of discipline over your intake of food, you're not ready for supplements. Supplements aren't really a "vital part of fitness", they're for guys pushing on specific composition, aesthetic, or other goals. You can achieve solid fitness with no supplements whatsoever. When you're just starting to hit the gym again, you have a long way to go before you need any sort of supplementation to get strong results. At some point that may change, but don't be the beginner snowboarder who has all the latest fancy apparel but none of the skills. Stick to regular, intense, smart workouts and high-quality, properly timed eating (which doesn't necessarily have to involve a food scale and diary). Well, and some protein shakes...
  • UncleverName

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    Jul 30, 2008 12:24 AM GMT
    sfboy987 saidOh and btw I think I'll consider getting the creatine and maybe some protein stuff, and definetely a multivitamin.


    Sounds to me like you're ignoring the good advice of numerous people on this forum, and doing what you were going to do already. This makes me wonder why you even bothered asking. You also mentioned (maybe in another forum that you started) that you had posted the same questions at other fitness related sites. Why are you posting so much about this? There are tons of articles online already for you to read (and ignore if you choose to). If you're not that interested in what people have to say, that's cool. Go ahead and find out what works for you icon_smile.gif Just doesn't seem like there's much point in asking for advice that you're going to reject anyways.

    (Apparently I'm getting grumpy in my dhirty years)
  • sfboy987

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    Jul 30, 2008 12:50 AM GMT
    I never said I was ignoring anybody's advice, you implied that. I said I would "consider" buying creatine because I still want to check with a trainer. I'm not an expert so I could be wrong, but I think it would be important to have a multivitamin to fulfill vitamins I might have missed in my food. Oh and btw is there anything wrong with asking questions? Like I said, I'm a beginner so why are you getting so impatient? Another reason I'm asking so many questions is because the answers and opinions vary so much that I'm not sure what to decide. For example, this guy on another site said NO Explode was crap and really didn't do anything, and some people here say it's excellent. So of course I'm going to ask questions, right?
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:09 AM GMT
    Well, just make sure you stick to your guns and ask a trainer. I still don't think at this point that you need creatine, for the same reasons UncleverName stated.

    For that matter, all of UncleverName's advice has been solid. I stand by it.

    Caslon5000I would do anything Blink told me to do cuz I think he is as cute as a button. But having said that...

    Ha! If only my customers would do the same. Maybe I need to wear sluttier clothes...
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:36 AM GMT
    sfboy987 saidI'm starting to go to the gym again after a long long time, and my first day was yesterday. Anyway, now I'm trying to look for some good supplements and vitamins cause I know that's a vital part for fitness. You can look at my profile to look at my stats and goals, but put short I'm an average young guy trying to get lean. I talked to a friend of mine who's very fit about my goals, and he suggested just creatine. Another friend suggested I go to the GNC nutrition store to buy some supplements and vitamins, but to ask the people there because he wasn't sure what would be right for me. The person at the store suggested "Wheybolic Extreme 60," the same supplement my friend was actually using.

    I asked for some vitamins or something like that, and she suggested "hydroxycut." The first thought running through my mind was if this stuff is too hardcore for me, a beginner? I was then wondering if she was just trying to sell the store's most expensive stuff first. Also, I didn't want to buy anything just yet because I wanted to ask my gym's advice (24 hour fitness) and ask for advice on these forums. My roommate from college uses N.O. Explode and Cell Mass, so I was wondering if that might be better? If it's safe for me to use, I don't mind using the best, hardcore supplements and vitamians that will help me reach my goal faster and more efficiently. So what you guys think? Any advice would really help! Thanks


    I did not read your entire post, but when you said you asked for assistance in GNC I freaked! Most of those people who work for GNC are your run of the mill average joe/joesephina who really knows nothing regarding supplements/nutrition/etc. beyond what they see in ads and what their franchise is attempting to push.

    In terms of N.O. Explode: I have heard good things...however, if you are taking any medications I suggest you get clearance from your doctor.
  • UncleverName

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    Jul 30, 2008 4:42 AM GMT
    Hey SFBOY987, sorry to have been grumpy. You should continue to ask questions about whatever you want to. This is the place to ask them.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:57 AM GMT
    UncleverName saidHey SFBOY987, sorry to have been grumpy. You should continue to ask questions about whatever you want to. This is the place to ask them.

    See, the wrong supplements can cause unwanted mood swings!