Why do we indulge in these conversations with people

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    Jun 13, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
    I'm a tad confused.

    Usually when there's a debate about the gays and it being natural, or a choice or what not

    Why does that even matter? This conversation gets indulged every time and I don't see why it matters if you have a genetic disposition, or born that way or anything like that.

    Who cares about any of that? It's rather simple I think. Why do you need something kind of natural inclination to justify who you date or fall in love with?
    I feel like we get lost and sidetracked trying to show why homosexuality is natural but I don't see any of that matters. We date who we wanna date.

    If two people are together and happy, why should that matter to anyone, let alone warrant some kind of biological discussion?
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    Jun 13, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
    TheOmegaMan saidI'm a tad confused.

    Usually when there's a debate about the gays and it being natural, or a choice or what not

    Why does that even matter?...


    Because as soon as we've got the proof, we're filing for our Minority Owned Businesses Certification.

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    Jun 13, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    TheOmegaMan saidI'm a tad confused.

    Usually when there's a debate about the gays and it being natural, or a choice or what not

    Why does that even matter? This conversation gets indulged every time and I don't see why it matters if you have a genetic disposition, or born that way or anything like that.

    Who cares about any of that? It's rather simple I think. Why do you need something kind of natural inclination to justify who you date or fall in love with?
    I feel like we get lost and sidetracked trying to show why homosexuality is natural but I don't see any of that matters. We date who we wanna date.

    If two people are together and happy, why should that matter to anyone, let alone warrant some kind of biological discussion?
    I've asked this before in the past. It seems that some people on here believe that their desire to judge others for their minor differences in the community stems from the straight world at large judging US/them too.
    I think some people are just insecure about the differences between themselves and strangers. Some learn to get over this, others make excuses for it; while the others just hate the world... the more you pay attention to something that bothers you, the more stressed you get. I'd rather cut the stress off at the source: how I feel about it, what I think about it, and getting over bother of the former. icon_wink.gificon_wink.gificon_wink.gif
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    Jun 14, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
    I just like scientific enquiry for the hell of it... I dont believe the argument to the morality of things can be justified to them being natural... somethings that are natural are immoral...

    Most of the debate about homosexuality being natural is in order to prove that it is "moral" due to the fact that it is natural. This is nonsense.... Rape and murder are both "natural" but that does not make them moral. So to discuss the natural-ness of homosexuality in those terms is also a falsity. but to discuss homosexuality in nature, that is just as interesting as discussing say, the eating and mating habits of jellyfish and migrating whales. It is interesting because it is interesting and nature is interesting to study, it is not meant to prove anything.
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    Jun 14, 2012 2:46 AM GMT
    +1

    Really looking forward to seeing how this thread ends up skewing in some crazy direction, you guys.
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    Jun 14, 2012 3:05 AM GMT
    GreenHopper saidI just like scientific enquiry for the hell of it... I dont believe the argument to the morality of things can be justified to them being natural... somethings that are natural are immoral...

    Most of the debate about homosexuality being natural is in order to prove that it is "moral" due to the fact that it is natural. This is nonsense.... Rape and murder are both "natural" but that does not make them moral. So to discuss the natural-ness of homosexuality in those terms is also a falsity. but to discuss homosexuality in nature, that is just as interesting as discussing say, the eating and mating habits of jellyfish and migrating whales. It is interesting because it is interesting and nature is interesting to study, it is not meant to prove anything.


    Wow, you're smart. Never thought of it that way.
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    Jun 14, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    GreenHopper saidMost of the debate about homosexuality being natural is in order to prove that it is "moral" due to the fact that it is natural. This is nonsense.... Rape and murder are both "natural" but that does not make them moral.


    This is probably the ugliest example of a false equivalency as I've seen in awhile, and that says a lot. To the responder that thought this sounded smart: WTF?

    Proving homosexuality to be natural is barely what the issue is about, and then you've wholly miffed on it by introducing your bizarre straw man argument. First, what is "natural" about rape or murder? As if there's some faction taking counterpoint on this because your argument is so compelling?

    To the OP: yes, haters are going to hate. But homosexuals decisively becoming a protected class (minority) does hinge on it being proved unequivocally NOT A CHOICE. Should it matter? Depends how progressive your society is.

    A large proportion of U.S. society believes that God created the earth approximately 10,000 years ago. This low-information class of people are a serious roadblock to homosexual equality. Demonstrating that there's a genetic, epigenetic or even prenatal cause of homosexuality will ensure that laws (and eventually society) will have to keep up.
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    Jun 14, 2012 4:26 AM GMT
    I'm more confused about why people are so against discussing the topic. Why we are the way we are is one of the most basic questions of human existence. Why wouldn't we want to know? Are we afraid of the answer? The arguments against homosexuals frequently take the stance that it is either a choice or it is unnatural. If a natural cause for homosexuality is found, then those arguments are completely invalid. In my view, those arguments are invalid anyway because homosexuality exists in animals too primitive to make a choice or to be psychologically influenced, but that fact seems to be unknown to most people.
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    Jun 14, 2012 5:07 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidI'm more confused about why people are so against discussing the topic. Why we are the way we are is one of the most basic questions of human existence. Why wouldn't we want to know? Are we afraid of the answer? The arguments against homosexuals frequently take the stance that it is either a choice or it is unnatural. If a natural cause for homosexuality is found, then those arguments are completely invalid. In my view, those arguments are invalid anyway because homosexuality exists in animals too primitive to make a choice or to be psychologically influenced, but that fact seems to be unknown to most people.


    Honestly that's not going to matter. There are a lot of explanations that explain away certain religious beliefs, yet people still believe them. It's a fact that homosexuality ISN'T a choice yet many people still think it is. It's just public opinion that needs to shift.