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    Jul 29, 2008 6:10 PM GMT
    What would your life be like if the power was shut off for ... forever?

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    Jul 29, 2008 6:14 PM GMT
    John43620 saidWhat would your life be like if the power was shut off for ... forever?

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    For them to be discussing it publicly seems really stupid. It just makes the US more jittery and gives support to the ones who want to attack Iran.
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    Jul 29, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    sigh, We kill the missile on launch with lasers then retaliate...


    Or maybe we'll just have a quick way to save energy?
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    Hop in the paranoia wagon! icon_biggrin.gif

    Just to remind you what nearly happened not too long ago from this same paranoia:

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    Jul 29, 2008 10:36 PM GMT
    That was graphic but, the USSR was guided by logic, Iran is guided by their belief in Allah. Can we trust Iran to be as logical as the USSR?
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThat was graphic but, the USSR was guided by logic, Iran is guided by their belief in Allah. Can we trust Iran to be as logical as the USSR?


    There's logic there, just not the logic most people are used to using.
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    Iran is a state. It will never attack the world's superpower backed up by majority of the most powerful nations in the world. It's like a suicide attack on a large scale, with the guarantee that the target doesn't die at all. Why would Iran do that?

    If it were Al Qaeda, then yes, I'd be more worried. But if Iran so much as lifts a finger to help Al Qaeda in such an attack, I've no doubt they'll still be annihilated by the rest of the world.

    Seriously, do we need another arms race?
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    It is just ridiculous to believe that an Islamic Theocratic State has aims that are diverse from those of any other state, no matter what its form of government.

    The assumption that the state religion of a nation determines its foreign policy and its tendency to make war has NEVER been valid.

    Even if you go back to the crusades you will find economic hegemony and power to be the real motive for making war.

    All warfare is economic warfare.

    John, you seem like a sweet guy, but what on earth are you thinking?

    Why worry about EMP? Don't you have credit-card bills, STD tests, or something a little nearer to worry about?

    I am fearful that you will short circuit your blond brain.

    Terry
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:02 PM GMT
    ursamajor saidIt is just ridiculous to believe that an Islamic Theocratic State has aims that are diverse from those of any other state, no matter what its form of government.

    The assumption that the state religion of a nation determines its foreign policy and its tendency to make war has NEVER been valid.

    Even if you go back to the crusades you will find economic hegemony and power to be the real motive for making war.

    All warfare is economic warfare.

    John, you seem like a sweet guy, but what on earth are you thinking?

    Why worry about EMP? Don't you have credit-card bills, STD tests, or something a little nearer to worry about?

    I am fearful that you will short circuit your blond brain.

    Terry


    Actually if there is an EMP attack, with a bit of luck he won't have to worry about the credit card bills.
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:10 PM GMT
    EMP... I read that it is a pulse that makes hot, magnetic love to your electronics causing electro-strokes.

    Now, if only men could do that.
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:14 PM GMT
    [quote]Actually if there is an EMP attack, with a bit of luck he won't have to worry about the credit card bills.[/quote]

    haha kinda like fightclub...
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
    ursamajor, you would stake the whole future of civilization on that idea? I suggest you research the the "Mahdi or, the 12th Imam", certifiable insanity it is. Imagine being in a gunfight with an insane killer and your gun is loaded and he is just loading his magazine. Do you wait until he locks and loads? To be fair?
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:21 PM GMT
    John43620 saidWhat would your life be like if the power was shut off for ... forever?

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44017


    Worldnetdaily is your reference?!?! Your credibility just got about ten times weaker, John. I didn't think that was possible.

    Psst...BOO!!!
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    John, I have been through most of the Arab world, including Iran.

    Jihadists can be dangerous people, but they are dangerous because they are being used by larger interests - if you ask me our current disastrous dilemma is all traceable to conflict in the House of Saud.

    I did not say that Iran will not wage war, neither did I say that manipulated religion hasn't often been used as an excuse for warfare.

    What I did say is that there is nothing that you can do about EMP weapons, and thus, it seems like a silly thing to worry about.

    I should be far more worried that elements in the Pentagon and the Executive Branch think that it would be easier to administer Iraq and Afghanistan from a strategic point in the center (Tehran).

    Actually, that might even be true, on paper, though I fear that they again grossly underestimate the ability of this part of the world to destroy occupying armies.

    I should call your attention to the Roman Emperor Hadrian who barely managed to keep the Empire together after his predecessor, Trajan's, adventures in Mesopotamia.

    I suppose it is pointless to say it, but what is past is prologue.

    Terry
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    Jul 30, 2008 12:22 AM GMT
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    John43620 saidWhat would your life be like if the power was shut off for ... forever?

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44017


    Worldnetdaily is your reference?!?! Your credibility just got about ten times weaker, John. I didn't think that was possible.

    Psst...BOO!!!


    P.S.: WARNING Don't visit www.worldnetdaily.com unless you want a little window from them to stay on your computer long after you've left the site. I don't know if they're tracking visitors internet habits after they leave, planting spyware, or what, but it sure seems sketchy. This little browser window briefly flashes in the lower corner of my computer screen and connects to worldnetdaily.com every time I visit a new site. Hmm.
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    Sedative saidIran is a state. It will never attack the world's superpower backed up by majority of the most powerful nations in the world. It's like a suicide attack on a large scale, with the guarantee that the target doesn't die at all. Why would Iran do that?

    If it were Al Qaeda, then yes, I'd be more worried. But if Iran so much as lifts a finger to help Al Qaeda in such an attack, I've no doubt they'll still be annihilated by the rest of the world.

    Seriously, do we need another arms race?
    People said the same thing about a scenario like 911, but it happened anyway. All these Muslim fanatics think about is how Allah will reward them. They could care less what other countries thought. If Iran did attack the US with a successful EMP attack, you think countries like France, will stand up to the one coutry that took out the world's sole remaining superpower? France couldn't stand up to World War II, if I know my history correctly. If Iran put up a successful EMP attack against us, the Western World would be brought to its knees, to the needs and wants of a fanatical Islamic regime.
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:35 AM GMT
    ursamajor saidJohn, I have been through most of the Arab world, including Iran.

    Jihadists can be dangerous people, but they are dangerous because they are being used by larger interests -
    Well guess who would wield such a weapon against us, the same ones who use these people against us.
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:37 AM GMT
    Someone watched too many episodes of Dark Angel.
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:51 AM GMT
    RBY71 saidSomeone watched too many episodes of Dark Angel.
    Not even, there was only 2 seasons of episodes to watch. icon_sad.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 12:54 PM GMT
    XruggerATX, here ya go, http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/bg1784.cfm

    Happy now?


    Blasting Iran off the planet before they develop a nukyular weapon would take care of the problem.

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    Jul 30, 2008 1:10 PM GMT
    People said the same thing about 9/11 - What did they say - that we don't need another 9/11 race? I do apologize but I don't understand your language here.

    Actually France did take on the world's one superpower for the benefit of a bunch of dissatisfied colonials and that was the birth of the nation that, blessedly, allows you the freedom to blather on endlessly spewing ignorance more-or-less as regularly as Old Faithful.

    If the question is does anyone think that the French would sit by idly after a successful EMP attack on the United States of America neither knows the policy of the French government nor the historical behaviour of America's closest ally in the world.

    By the way, the Western world that you lionize HAS been brought to its knees. What I have to do, as an American citizen, to come and go from my own country is shocking and would have been unheard of and unthinkable before 9/11. Nothing like Guantanamo Bay has existed in our country since we interned our own citizens in World War II or perhaps before during the Palmer Raids.

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    Seriously, do we need another arms race?
    People said the same thing about a scenario like 911, but it happened anyway. All these Muslim fanatics think about is how Allah will reward them. They could care less what other countries thought. If Iran did attack the US with a successful EMP attack, you think countries like France, will stand up to the one coutry that took out the world's sole remaining superpower? France couldn't stand up to World War II, if I know my history correctly. If Iran put up a successful EMP attack against us, the Western World would be brought to its knees, to the needs and wants of a fanatical Islamic regime.
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:15 PM GMT
    OK well I think I will go and have a meaningful discussion with an elm tree because such an organism surely has something more meaningful to contribute to this conversation than you apparently do.

    Actually, this just goes to prove that a good part of the American public is just as fanatical, ill-informed, and insane as anyone who ever came out of a Madrassa in the middle of Pakistan.

    Frankly, I pity you John.

    John43620 saidXruggerATX, here ya go, http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/bg1784.cfm

    Happy now?


    Blasting Iran off the planet before they develop a nukyular weapon would take care of the problem.

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    Jul 30, 2008 1:22 PM GMT
    Regardless of whomever the 'enemy' of the week is, I will not twidle my thumbs and fumble over facts regarding the their activities, I am not military soldier and have no first hand knowledge of how to deal with the 'threat' now. But, I really don't care to know all the woohah the 'threat' is doing, because I want to go on with my life.

    If they attack tomorrow, or in ten years, they're going to attack, because if someone really wants you dead, than they'll find a way and a time. There isn't much I can do to change the situation by debating the politics of the situation from my living room couch. That's why I choose to let the military do what it's unfortunate job it is to do, although it's not a job I would have chosen for them. Last thing I need to become is a sloppy President making asinine decisions from the comfort of my own home, and not enjoying the time I had to be with those I care for most.
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:35 PM GMT
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    Sedative saidIran is a state. It will never attack the world's superpower backed up by majority of the most powerful nations in the world. It's like a suicide attack on a large scale, with the guarantee that the target doesn't die at all. Why would Iran do that?

    If it were Al Qaeda, then yes, I'd be more worried. But if Iran so much as lifts a finger to help Al Qaeda in such an attack, I've no doubt they'll still be annihilated by the rest of the world.

    Seriously, do we need another arms race?
    People said the same thing about a scenario like 911, but it happened anyway. All these Muslim fanatics think about is how Allah will reward them. They could care less what other countries thought. If Iran did attack the US with a successful EMP attack, you think countries like France, will stand up to the one coutry that took out the world's sole remaining superpower? France couldn't stand up to World War II, if I know my history correctly. If Iran put up a successful EMP attack against us, the Western World would be brought to its knees, to the needs and wants of a fanatical Islamic regime.


    Point is, it wasn't a muslim state that did the 911 attacks. They were jihadists! It's the same thing as saying that since CSA are Americans then all Americans are terrorists.

    These are STATES. They have people under them who though uneducated is far from ignorant. They'll know a suicide war if they see it, they may be controlled by fanatics, but believe it or not, sanity is not limited to westerners. icon_rolleyes.gif

    The only state I'm afraid of is N. Korea because it's extremely isolationist, I doubt they'll even know the consequences of waging war with other world superpowers.

    Iran is isolationist, but far from cut off from the rest of the world.

    And roflmao. You made France an example?! It will not only France, it would be the WORLD. Have you seen the collective reaction of the world when 911 happened? Everyone wanted to get back at who did that. And BTW, what happened to France in the past world wars is no indication of the strength of France now. It has one of the world's best Air Force for one.

    While, Iran, though possessing scud-based ICBM's that have the capacity of leveling cities, have nothing more than a ragtag army and soviet-derived military equipment. Even if they can obliterate a country with their nukes, they'll fall down very easily to almost any western military. Remember Iraq? And that was the US trying to minimize civilian casualties. An all-out war will leave a glass crater.

    The only thing that stopped countries from helping the US invade Iraq is the fact that there was no sufficient evidence that Iraq was a major player in the 911 attack. Heck, even the Philippines sent troops and even mercenaries to help the US.

    Imagine Iran staging an EMP attack (and the use of EMP as weapons have been discovered long ago, I remember them testing it on a fighter plane, and I have no doubt most US military installations and aerial commands are shielded), do you think the US will fall that easily? IF they even get the bomb over US. At worst they'll disable civilian power and communications.

    You have very little trust in your own country, and a great deal of mistrust for anyone not of your country. It always amazes me how Republicans think like the Jihadists. icon_confused.gif

    Remember this is the age where a kid in Japan knows how a kid in Canada thinks. It's already the beginning of a world community. If someone steps out of line, you can bet he'll be swarmed.

    What I don't like about this paranoiac theories is that they often encourage pre-emptive attack. icon_rolleyes.gif

    For example, how would you have prevented 911? By attacking Iraq beforehand? By stockpiling more nukes?
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    ursamajor said
    Maverick75 saidPeople said the same thing about 9/11


    What did they say - that we don't need another 9/11 race? I do apologize but I don't understand your language here.

    Actually France did take on the world's one superpower for the benefit of a bunch of dissatisfied colonials and that was the birth of the nation that, blessedly, allows you the freedom to blather on endlessly spewing ignorance more-or-less as regularly as Old Faithful.


    LOL pwnt. The Americans look down on France, not realizing that France was the nation that helped them free themselves from the English.

    And LOL... even the statue of Liberty is a gift from France.