Alter-Egos, Pseudo Identities, and Personas

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    Jul 30, 2008 1:38 AM GMT
    I have watched for a while this behavior of some people online (yep here too) where they will create another profile to speak for them in ways they are afraid to or deceive or some other reason (I will not name names). Its sort of funny to see people unknowingly interact with these personas .. its kind of like watching a child talk to a puppet.

    Anyway, this made me think of another topic. It is how we create identity in our mind of ourselves and of other people. It obviously affects how we interact with people and I think most people go through life never really having "direct" interaction with others or maybe even ourselves. Maybe we even emulate people in our lives. Can you see how this affects your life and relationships? Do you have a Alter-Ego or Identity assigned to anyone you know? Do you think you have one assigned to yourself? Do you think OTHER people have one assigned to you?

    Maybe it is a generalized character like "the strong silent type" or maybe it is a fictional character like Batman, or Sherlock Holmes, or a mythical creature or deity.

    What are your thoughts on these things?
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    Jul 30, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    Nope, but then again I have several different aspects to my personality that can come to the forefront depending on the situation. At times I can be moody and withdrawn, at other times I seem to be very sociable and extraverted. Some people think I am nice and a pushover. Others think I am cold and uncommunicative. It is not that I have different personalities, I am like most people, a whole bunch of conflicting and contradicting personality characteristics that I manage to loosely integrate into a semi functioning human!
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:27 AM GMT

    The only alter ego that I have is teeny-bop sensation Roy Illinois.

    All I do is straighten my hair and change my outfit! Nobody can tell it's really me! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:29 AM GMT
    We were told once that we were a multiple-personality but some of us found that ridiculous. Others of us thought it was worth thinking about. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. You shut up. No, YOU shut up. I said it first. Who cares who said it first. I'm telling JP. Okay, like I care. JP------! Ssshhhh if you do I'll tell him what you said Thursday-- Will you two KNOCK IT OFF? We're trying to get some SLEEP here----------
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:33 AM GMT
    SurrealLife saidNope, but then again I have several different aspects to my personality that can come to the forefront depending on the situation!
    Well, sometimes I think our personality is "layered" and maybe not analogous to a single persona. Sometimes I think we subconsciously emulate people in our lives.

    Happy_Go_Lucky said The only alter ego that I have is teeny-bop sensation Roy Illinois.
    All I do is straighten my hair and change my outfit! Nobody can tell it's really me! icon_biggrin.gif
    icon_neutral.gif I think this is before my time, I will have to look this person up

    jprichva saidWe were told once that we were a multiple-personality
    lol, why thank you legion! Haven't heard from you in a while icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:45 AM GMT
    Ugh. I get alter-egos assigned to me by others. At a previous office I was assigned Martha Stewart because I took control of organizing the office holiday party. I over did it apparently, because from then on - I was Martha. It annoyed me to no end. The Chairman of the Board of the $200,000,000 family-owned company dropped by the Holiday party and his secretary introduced me as Martha Stewart. I wanted to set her on fire. Especially because I looked the part - busily setting up the banquet table when they walked in.

    At my current work, I'm Superman. I've had no less than 5-6 executives introduce me to new staff or doctors as the IT Superman. They come in my office and address me as Superman. It's a bit wierd how wide-spread it is. Ok, I've worked to have good customer service within the company and I'm an extrovert so I remember everyones names, but does that make me a Marvel Comic Hero?

    Apparently.

    I took one of those "Which superhero are you?" quizes. I'll give you one guess which hero I tested as.
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:46 AM GMT
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    jprichva saidWe were told once that we were a multiple-personality
    lol, why thank you legion! Haven't heard from you in a while icon_lol.gif

    Well, golly, some of us missed you too. icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:48 AM GMT
    Come to think of it, the whole S thing may have some cosmic meaning in my life. In another thread I learned that my stripper name was "Sassy Sedalia".
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    Jul 30, 2008 4:01 AM GMT
    That makes sense...especially when you've been through high school. Some teachers love an out spoken student, other teachers like students that can sit quietly, and still other teachers like a student who actively participates in class.

    As a teachers pet, I felt obligated to be all of the above. A Chameleon with a different color in every class.

    The same with my friends and family. My mom likes it when I keep to myself, some of my friends like me quirky and another set have it in there heads that I'm a saint.

    But I'm none of those things. I'm just a Chameleon.

    A different persona for every situation.


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    Jul 30, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    OHhiker saidUgh. I get alter-egos assigned to me by others.
    LOL. Martha? Does this mean you will send me a cake for my birthday? Yeah, Superman I can see too .. have you figured out your kryptonite? Stippers? I want proof if you come to see me icon_twisted.gif But you know you left one out .. it was this little fire bug that slipped out .. "I wanted to set her on fire" Who is that? icon_evil.gif

    Its getting a little hot up in here!



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    Jul 30, 2008 4:43 AM GMT
    RyanReBoRn saidAs a teachers pet, I felt obligated to be all of the above. A Chameleon with a different color in every class.

    [photo deleted]


    There is actually an uncanny resemblance to your main pic and the cartoon .. blue hat .. one eye showing lol

    Hey, where'd he go?
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    Jul 30, 2008 4:56 AM GMT
    Inside I have a fat girl dying to get out, I named her Bertha. She comes out when theres a buffet or all you can eat brunch...my first thought on waking up, "Hmmm Bertha hungry!"icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 5:04 AM GMT
    Chuy2010 saidInside I have a fat girl dying to get out, I named her Bertha.
    Remarkable! (Don't feed Bertha)


    Good, Good .. keep em coming guys!
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    Jul 30, 2008 8:12 AM GMT
    krush saidI must admit. I do have another profile here on RJ. I guess it is bad. But, I do not mean any harm. I am not all that much of a jock and I am trying to lose this gut. But my other self is a little more adventurous and is part of me that wants to be loved.
    Please forgive me.
    Theres nothing to forgive .. you don't exist! icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 8:46 AM GMT
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    Jul 30, 2008 2:31 PM GMT
    I'd respond to this, but the voices in my head told me it's time to go clean the guns.


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    Jul 30, 2008 2:34 PM GMT
    Chuy2010 saidInside I have a fat girl dying to get out, I named her Bertha. She comes out when theres a buffet or all you can eat brunch...my first thought on waking up, "Hmmm Bertha hungry!"icon_razz.gif


    Oh shit! LOL!
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    Jul 30, 2008 2:34 PM GMT
    flux33312 saidI'd respond to this, but the voices in my head told me it's time to go clean the guns.

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    you mean clean the guns like wacking off?
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    Jul 30, 2008 2:58 PM GMT
    It seems that people can have personas based on who they really are, and maybe some that exist due to outside pressures to "be someone" they are not. But is it possible to love someone's persona? If it is a fictitious character or not real, it seems we are loving a projection of our own mind which is the self. It is a strange kind of fantasy like two ship crossing in the night but never really making contact.

    Likewise what does it mean to feel anything about a persona? What does it mean? Hate, anger, love, envy, compassion .. interesting to think about.
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:29 PM GMT
    I think anyone on a website has a certain "facade" presented about themselves. And that's not necessarily bad. It is what it is. I mean, a profile on a website is not going to define and demonstrate who a person is in the real world.
    The facade of the website profile gives somewhat of a representation of a person, but it just does not fully embrace or extend who they are in real time, real life, and real situations. It does not tell the whole story...which is fine...of who they are, what they have been through, what they are feeling, and who they are as a whole, complete person.
    But it's a nice way to connect too..as long as you are open to the fact that they are also HUMAN ...and that means there are some ups and downs, some flaws and stunning gifts as well.
    You just have to put it into perspective, I guess.
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    Jul 30, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    The question seems to presuppose the existence of a cohesive "self," an "authentic you." It also seems to presume that a certain persona is at odds with one's "true identity."

    I think the notion of a singular self is neither true nor even helpful as a fantasy. One of the projects of postmodern theory (including queer theory) is to destabilize this notion of an organizational or transcendental self.

    I deal with this in my work all the time. People subscribe to the notion that they need to liberate their authentic self from the mask of neurosis. They have the idea that if they can obliterate the "persona" of the mask, they will become "whole" or whatever term they use to express this fantasy. And of course, the therapist enters a conspiracy with the client to perform this voodoo. The effect never lasts very long because the persona almost always reasserts itself in one way or another and the client runs back to therapy to rip up the mask again.

    To me, it is much more sensible to conceptualize the self as a cluster of identities, voices, whatever. The object should not be to obliterate the mask but to develop the freedom to put it away when it's not useful.

    Acknowledging the natural multiplicity of the psyche gives you freedom to "play" with identity. That is something I do with clients -- create situations where they literally can assume the "role" of a character they thought was beyond their capacity to become. This increases multiplicity rather than trying to shrink the person to one "authentic self."

    This is, by the way, how the Greeks thought of identity. The gods were seen as personifications of the many different aspects of the human psyche. It was the later religions that reduced the gods, and by extension the way we see ourselves, into a single transcendent god, imaged in the human as a transcending, organizing self.



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    Jul 30, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    OW said: "To me, it is much more sensible to conceptualize the self as a cluster of identities, voices, whatever. The object should not be to obliterate the mask but to develop the freedom to put it away when it's not useful."

    True dat. Listen to the good doctor, I tell you. DO NOT find out my way. A therapist will cost you infinitely less in every way you can possibly conceive.

    Say, is Jock_Itch still kicking about? If so, I'd better put him away.
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    Jul 31, 2008 2:01 AM GMT
    I like what OW is talking about. Being able to have a number of personnas that you can utilized based on the situation. We could take this down the sexual road and talk about roles in the bedroom. Being able to switch around your attitude in the bedroom can be fun. If you were stuck with some 'wholistic self' which you were always seeking to 'be' - you'd basically limit the range of your reactions and actions. Hell, I'd rather have a big spinning wheel next to the bed with a roster of characters on it and give it a good spin before play-time. Lets see Quiet Sub Cowhand or Unethical Gym Teacher tonight - lets give this thing a whirl...
    Of course you'd need someone to play with that was into stepping out of their comfort zone of Wholistic Self Actualization to really get into it without it being corny.


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    Jul 31, 2008 2:09 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI have watched for a while this behavior of some people online (yep here too) where they will create another profile to speak for them in ways they are afraid to or deceive or some other reason (I will not name names). Its sort of funny to see people unknowingly interact with these personas .. its kind of like watching a child talk to a puppet.

    Anyway, this made me think of another topic. It is how we create identity in our mind of ourselves and of other people. It obviously affects how we interact with people and I think most people go through life never really having "direct" interaction with others or maybe even ourselves. Maybe we even emulate people in our lives. Can you see how this affects your life and relationships? Do you have a Alter-Ego or Identity assigned to anyone you know? Do you think you have one assigned to yourself? Do you think OTHER people have one assigned to you?

    Maybe it is a generalized character like "the strong silent type" or maybe it is a fictional character like Batman, or Sherlock Holmes, or a mythical creature or deity.

    What are your thoughts on this?


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    Jul 31, 2008 2:53 AM GMT
    Kinda...sorta...I guess. It all started as a joke really. A good friend Karen was out with a bunch of her girlfriends a long time ago. They were getting pretty rowdy so they decided to give themselves trashy sounding nicknames. Karen became Carol.

    Some years later Karen and I were out drinking and she dubbed my alternate drunk, rowdy personality Val. It sorta stuck (unfortunately icon_redface.gif).

    On the one hand it's harmless fun, but when you really dig down, it became a way to distance myself from behavior I'm not particularly proud of. It wasn't ME being all drunk and flirty -- it was Val!