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    Aug 09, 2007 4:38 PM GMT
    Just wondering if you will be watching it tonight.

    I look forward to hearing what the cadidates have to say, particularly because this debate will be about queer issues.
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    Aug 09, 2007 6:45 PM GMT
    DVRing it :)
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    Aug 09, 2007 7:10 PM GMT
    TiVo!
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    Aug 09, 2007 7:54 PM GMT
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    Aug 09, 2007 9:47 PM GMT
    Will be watching it with great interest, but for me there are such minumental problems facing the country right now that issues like gay marriage are 2nd tier.

    Won't for an anti-gay candidate, but won't vote for one who is most pro-gay without considering other issues.
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    Aug 09, 2007 11:02 PM GMT
    Tivo - but yes.
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    Aug 09, 2007 11:13 PM GMT
    Definitely watching. I agree with Antelope though, with the state of our nation what it is, some things take precedence, like the war.
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    Aug 10, 2007 3:30 AM GMT
    Im sorry, but I was not impressed with the candidate's responses to the questions. It was great, however, to have a debate dedicated to GLBT issues.
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    Aug 10, 2007 10:49 AM GMT
    Antelope, I have never understood the thinking that a political issue which directly affects you is not as important to you as a political issue which may or may not affect everyone. Please expand on your statement
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    Aug 10, 2007 11:41 AM GMT
    Was very glad to see it happen. The chatty format seemed at odds with the event's billing of "historic" importance. Still it was the non-journalist, Melissa, who rocked it.

    John Edwards appeared goofy.

    Obama gained some cred.

    Hillary seemed uncomfortable. The handler who allows her to keep saying "I'm your girl" ought to be fired immediately.

    Look forward to hearing other reactions...

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    Aug 10, 2007 11:51 AM GMT
    would have loved to watch it, but i'm in switzerland at the moment... will check it out when i get back.

    however, i am hard pressed to support anyone who doesn't support ME... meaning, full and equal rights for all americans.

    kucinich is the only democratic candidate with the balls to support gay MARRIAGE. not that i want to get married, but i want the same rights as everyone else.
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    Aug 10, 2007 1:24 PM GMT
    Didn't watch it. I am already tired of the presidential election. I don't like any of the candidates. They are all the same. They will only say what the think they need to say to get elected. During the primaries they pander to the the far left or the far right, then for the general election they say what they think makes them look most centrist. Ultimately the only thing they care about is protecting themselves, their party and their special interests.
    Dunno, maybe I am just being bitter.
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    Aug 10, 2007 1:34 PM GMT
    Right on Navy... I have never seen a candidate that cared about anything other than what's best for them. I know I am a sucker but I tend to go for the one that at least says that they will spend less money... nothing irritates me more than the government taking my money and redistributing it to other citizens.
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    Aug 10, 2007 1:48 PM GMT
    PHL - without getting into the merits of any candidate, or discussing the general state of politics, I didn't get the "uncomfortable" thing with Hillary at all. She seemed to be working the crowd in a manner reminiscent of her husband during his campaign - very in-control, very confident.

    The "I'm your girl" thing is probably just a misguided attempt to soften her image.

    I do think Obama and Clinton were better about answering the questions that were asked, although in true political fashion, only when they wanted to do so. No one held anyone's feet to the fire about staying on point.

    For the record, I'm not a one-issue voter either. Although which issues I track and for whom I'd vote at this point isn't something I'd prefer to debate here on RealJock. My partner & I discuss it, and that's about as far as it goes. ;)

    J.
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    Aug 10, 2007 3:05 PM GMT
    Chad435 says: "nothing irritates me more than the government taking my money and redistributing it to other citizens."

    Absolutely! Right on!

    Of course, to be consistent, I assume you didn't go to any public schools, which were paid for by tax money.

    And I assume you never drive on roads or bridges, which are paid for by tax money.

    And I assume you never walk through parks, which are paid for by tax money.

    And I assume you would never DREAM of going to the emergency room in a hosipital, which is supported by tax money.

    And I assume that you don't use the internet, which was initially created by the government and paid for by tax money.

    Yeah, nothing irritates me more than spending for the public good.....
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    Aug 10, 2007 4:46 PM GMT
    Chad435 said: "nothing irritates me more than the government taking my money and redistributing it to other citizens."

    Nothing irritates me more than the government taking my money and using it to support a war whose "purpose" was exposed as a pack of lies.

    Meanwhile, the amount of money that gets redistributed to "citizens" that Chad435 might prefer should NOT be supported, is a mere pittance compared to the trillion(s) that went to the war effort.

    Meanwhile, politically-neutral public service agencies, such as the National Weather Service amd the National Park Service have had their personnel budgets cut, and infrastructure budget slashed...

    Excellent points, too, gregstevenstx. We have one of the best road systems in the world, thanks to the redistribution of public monies. I think about that every time I drive on an Interstate (please, no jokes about bridge collapses).
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    Aug 10, 2007 6:30 PM GMT
    I'm glad Dennis Kucinich got some clock! His day will come.
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    Aug 10, 2007 8:18 PM GMT
    I think America is in dire need of a truly viable third party alternative.
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    Aug 10, 2007 10:17 PM GMT
    Chasersprize,

    The war in Iraq

    the decline in the national economy and the increase in the national debt

    the right-wing majority on the Supreme Court

    falling income for the middle classes while the wealthy are getting tax cuts

    fighting a war while refusing to raise taxes to pay for it

    the destruction of our military forces by overextending them, so that we cannot fight a war if threatened elsewhere

    Neglecting the bridges, roads, railroads, electrical systems, water and sewer systems

    lack of a national health-care system

    And I could go on, but for me these are some of the reasons I would be willing to back a candidate who may not get a 100% rating from national gay groups.

    Yes, gay issues such as gay marriage and/or civil unions. ENDA, full funding for HIV and others are important to me and they do affect me or people I care about. But the issues I listed above also affect me, and all of us, gay or straight.

    I am a Democrat, as were my mom and dad and grandparents, and I am not a hawk. I believe in social and economic justice for all, not just gay people. Our issues are part of a larger picture.
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    Aug 11, 2007 7:02 AM GMT
    for those of you, like me, who are out of the country (for the moment) or who don't get logo, you can watch most of the forum here:

    http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/
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    Aug 11, 2007 10:10 AM GMT
    Kucinich is a great guy. Even though I live in Florida, I have sent money to his house races in the past.

    Now that the primaries are being moved up, other states besides NH and IA may be important. I hated it that Florida was not important in primaries. Florida's primary has been moved to the end of January.

    Of course, one votes for the Democrat doesn't one whomever he or she may be, but it would be nice to have someone who truly supports equality, like Kucinich. (Yes, I recognize there are a lot of Republicans on realjock.)

    By the way, Richardson and his campaign can try to fix his "gaffe", but the truth is, he said what he believed. He thinks that homosexuality is a choice and with his spanish gaffe in mind, he doesn't think highly of them at that.

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    Aug 11, 2007 11:28 AM GMT
    Well

    I have to vote for a democrat... I dont agree that we have the best choices, however, all of the Democrats are for lifting Don't Ask Don't Tell.... none of the Republicans are.

    That has a DIRECT impact on MY life.
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    Aug 11, 2007 1:14 PM GMT
    True that, infamous_doc.
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    Aug 11, 2007 2:18 PM GMT
    I think it was Hillary who asserted that homosexuality isn't going to be the wedge issue it was in the last two elections this go-round. Do y'all think that's true?

    With the non-stop scandals (including the arrest a few days ago of the head of the Young Republicans in Indiana), it's hard to imagine the candidates would want to bring this up. Then again, cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing.
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    Aug 11, 2007 2:44 PM GMT
    The repugnicans will whip up repugnican fever come close to election time. Vote repugnican or the homos will marry and then cats and dogs will be living together in sin. Stop them before we see the wrath of god. That's how dubya gump got in last time. Schmuck.