Now They Tell Us: Iran Didn't Actually Threaten to Wipe Israel Off the Map

  • tokugawa

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    Jun 17, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
    Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Dan Meridor acknowledged on Al Jazeera English (4/14/12) that Iranian leaders have never called for Israel to be "wiped" off the map.

    Meridor agreed with interviewer Teymoor Nabili's suggestion that the supposed remarks were never actually made; Iranian leaders, Meridor said,

    "come basically ideologically, religiously, with the statement that Israel is an unnatural creature, it will not survive. They didn't say "we'll wipe it out," you are right, but [that] it will not survive, it is a cancerous tumor, it should be removed."

    Hostile words, to be sure, but not the menacing threat endlessly reported in corporate U.S. media in recent years. (Iran, Israel and "wiped off the map" occur together more than 8,500 times in the Nexis news database in the last seven years.)

    Of course, Mideast expert and blogger Juan Cole noted long ago that Ahmadinejad never called for Israel to be wiped off the map, but Meridor's interview suggests that there is hope this information might finally penetrate the corporate media bubble.

    source: http://www.fair.org/blog/2012/04/19/now-they-tell-us-iran-didnt-actually-threaten-to-wipe-israel-off-the-map/
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    Jun 17, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    Thank you bringing this up from a new source, Those of us who stay informed have known for years that this "wipe off the map" statement was a propaganda lie.

    This is a lie that could lead us to war with Iran, just like the lies that the Neo Cons and the Dual Israeli Citizens in the AIPAC and Think Tank crowds used to push war with Iraq. Then it was "yellow cake" among other made up stories, now it is "wipe off the map", made up threats.

    CuriousJock an apologist for all of the above and his Ilk though, want us to "calm down" and not post these facts. (he just posted this a short time ago). I guess facts we put out there to avoid their far right christian fundi and Israeli Firsters wars is more offensive to them than the results of these wars based on lies.
  • tokugawa

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    Jun 27, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    Professor Juan Cole, who teaches college courses on Middle East history, and is fluent in Farsi (the Persian language), pointed out that the word 'map' was never used.

    Cole's translation, "vanish from the page of time," is much less threatening than "wiped off the map." Cole says Farsi contains no such idiom as "wiped off the map."

    Cole says the examples that Ahmadinejad used:

    1) the fall of the Shah of Iran, and

    2) the fall of the Soviet Union,

    were not the result of a military invasion, but were the result of the dissatisfaction the peoples of Iran and the Soviet Union felt towards the governing regimes which were about to collapse.
    News reports which falsely used the "wiped off the map" canard never included these examples, since they refuted the contention that he was advocating violence. Nor did the reports indicate that Ahmadinejad's remarks were not original, he was quoting an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini.

    On 6/26/07, Cole wrote in his blog "Informed Comment," the following:

    "Anyone who reads this column knows that I deeply disagree with Ahmadinejad’s policies and am not interested in defending him on most things. I profoundly disagree with his characterization of Israel, which is a legitimate United Nations member state, and find his Holocaust denial monstrous. But this quite false charge that he is genocidal is being promoted by Right-Zionists in and out of Congress as a preparatory step to getting up a US war against Iran on false pretences. I don’t want to see my country destroyed by being further embroiled in the Middle East for the wrong reasons. If the Israeli hardliners and their American amen corner want a war with Iran, let them fight it themselves and leave young 18 year old Americans alone."

    source: http://www.juancole.com/2007/06/ahmadinejad-i-am-not-anti-semitic.html

    [ Juan Cole is Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan. ]
  • tokugawa

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    Jun 27, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    Through history, lies have been used to justify wars, and once a war starts, it is unpatrioitic to point out the lies.

    See: http://www.juancole.com/2007/06/ahmadinejad-i-am-not-anti-semitic.html

    for details of the lies, which, like the lies used to justify the war with Iraq, may lead to the deaths of thousands of Americans.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:56 PM GMT
    tokugawa saidThrough history, lies have been used to justify wars, and once a war starts, it is unpatrioitic to point out the lies.

    See: http://www.juancole.com/2007/06/ahmadinejad-i-am-not-anti-semitic.html

    for details of the lies, which, like the lies used to justify the war with Iraq, may lead to the deaths of thousands of Americans.






    Recent history shows us a perfect example of your first sentence. Bush's statements were "if your not with us you are against us" and when it came to Wilson blowing the whistle on their lies about 'Yellow cake', the media jumped right in with Cheney and Bush to descredit him, then that wasn't bad enough, they 'outed' his wife Plame to further stop the truth from coming out.

    Now the sheeple like we have even here on RJ like SoCal and company still won't face the facts as to the devestating results of lies used to forward wars.