'Angry' money gives funding edge to GOP and Romney

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    Jun 17, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    I'd say it's odd that campaign finance reform tends to only be much more of an issue in years that Republicans have the funding advantage like this one, but really, it's not.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/angry-money-gives-funding-edge-gop-and-romney/603471

    What's really interesting is that, if current projections are right, this will be the third election in a row in which the party holding the White House will be outspent by the opposition.

    In 2004, incumbent Republican George W. Bush's side was outspent narrowly by those opposing him and favoring Democrat John Kerry. One reason is heavy spending by billionaire George Soros, about which we heard few complaints from those now decrying the billionaire Koch brothers' spending as a threat to democracy.

    In 2008, Barack Obama broke his promise to rely on public financing and raised and spent about $750 million. About half as much was spent on behalf of John McCain, who accepted public financing.

    Now, despite the clout any incumbent president has, Democrats are likely to be outspent by Republicans.

    All of which tends to undermine the case made for campaign spending limits. In the 1976 Buckley v. Valeo case, the Supreme Court said limits on campaign contributions were constitutional. They didn't violate the First Amendment guarantee of free speech because they were intended to prevent corruption or the appearance of corruption.

    In effect the Court said that you can abridge First Amendment rights in order to limit "smart money" contributions. Smart money, by definition, goes only to incumbents and candidates with a good chance of winning.

    But in our last two presidential elections and apparently in this one, the smart money going to the party in power has been outweighed by "angry money" going to the party out of power.

    The billionaires and the many, many others fueling the anti-Bush coffers in 2004 believed that the 43rd president had lied America into an unjustified and probably unwinnable war. I didn't agree but, hey, it's a free country and people should be free to try to elect the candidate of their choice.

    In 2008 Barack Obama raised a lot of "hope" money and, since it looked like a Democratic year, a lot of smart money. But angry money from Bush haters helped propel his total take to record levels.
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    Jun 17, 2012 4:58 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidI'd say it's odd that campaign finance reform tends to only be much more of an issue in years that Republicans have the funding advantage like this one, but really, it's not.

    Spot on. My response to the article in the OP here uses another example to make the same point.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2452376
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    Jun 17, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidI'd say it's odd that campaign finance reform tends to only be much more of an issue in years that Republicans have the funding advantage like this one, but really, it's not.

    Spot on. My response to the article in the OP here uses another example to make the same point.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2452376



    It really just comes down to silencing critics.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/17/mcconnell-warns-of-attempts-by-obama-media-matters-to-silence-critics/

    “President Obama has publicly accused the Kochs of being part of a, quote, ‘corporate takeover of our democracy,’ whatever that means,” McConnell reminded his audience, referring to conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch, “and not only did his campaign publish a list of eight private citizens it regards as ‘enemies’ — an actual old school enemies list — it recently doubled down on the effort when some began to call these thuggish tactics into question.”

    The Kentucky Republican noted that President Obama must not oppose efforts to silence conservative critics, because he has never condemned intimidation tactics aimed at his opponents, ranging from targeting businesses that support conservatives to the illegal tactic of “SWAT-ing” — whereby conservative writers have been harassed using 911 services to claim murders in the homes of targeted individuals.

    And that should come as no surprise, McConnell explained, when the president has allied himself with the very groups that specialize in intimidating critics of the government.
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    Jun 17, 2012 5:11 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidI'd say it's odd that campaign finance reform tends to only be much more of an issue in years that Republicans have the funding advantage like this one, but really, it's not.

    Spot on. My response to the article in the OP here uses another example to make the same point.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2452376

    It really just comes down to silencing critics.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/17/mcconnell-warns-of-attempts-by-obama-media-matters-to-silence-critics/

    “President Obama has publicly accused the Kochs of being part of a, quote, ‘corporate takeover of our democracy,’ whatever that means,” McConnell reminded his audience, referring to conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch, “and not only did his campaign publish a list of eight private citizens it regards as ‘enemies’ — an actual old school enemies list — it recently doubled down on the effort when some began to call these thuggish tactics into question.”

    The Kentucky Republican noted that President Obama must not oppose efforts to silence conservative critics, because he has never condemned intimidation tactics aimed at his opponents, ranging from targeting businesses that support conservatives to the illegal tactic of “SWAT-ing” — whereby conservative writers have been harassed using 911 services to claim murders in the homes of targeted individuals.

    And that should come as no surprise, McConnell explained, when the president has allied himself with the very groups that specialize in intimidating critics of the government.

    More reasons this Administration must be removed from power. As this gets out, more moderates will agree. Only the far left that cares more about their power than basic values will disagree.

    Romney Donor on Obama’s ‘Enemies List’: They’re Stalking My Kids (Video)
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/romney-donor-on-obamas-enemies-list-theyre-stalking-my-kids-video/
    Barack Obama's enemies list: Anyone who contributes to Mitt Romney
    http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-s-enemies-list-anyone-who-contributes-to-mitt-romney
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    Jun 17, 2012 5:13 PM GMT
    Is there a dearth of Thorazine suddenly in the US and Canada?

    Because there's such an astounding uptick in paranoia among the right.
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    Jun 17, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidI'd say it's odd that campaign finance reform tends to only be much more of an issue in years that Republicans have the funding advantage like this one, but really, it's not.

    Spot on. My response to the article in the OP here uses another example to make the same point.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2452376

    It really just comes down to silencing critics.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/17/mcconnell-warns-of-attempts-by-obama-media-matters-to-silence-critics/

    “President Obama has publicly accused the Kochs of being part of a, quote, ‘corporate takeover of our democracy,’ whatever that means,” McConnell reminded his audience, referring to conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch, “and not only did his campaign publish a list of eight private citizens it regards as ‘enemies’ — an actual old school enemies list — it recently doubled down on the effort when some began to call these thuggish tactics into question.”

    The Kentucky Republican noted that President Obama must not oppose efforts to silence conservative critics, because he has never condemned intimidation tactics aimed at his opponents, ranging from targeting businesses that support conservatives to the illegal tactic of “SWAT-ing” — whereby conservative writers have been harassed using 911 services to claim murders in the homes of targeted individuals.

    And that should come as no surprise, McConnell explained, when the president has allied himself with the very groups that specialize in intimidating critics of the government.

    More reasons this Administration must be removed from power. As this gets out, more moderates will agree. Only the far left that cares more about their power than basic values will disagree.

    Romney Donor on Obama’s ‘Enemies List’: They’re Stalking My Kids (Video)
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/romney-donor-on-obamas-enemies-list-theyre-stalking-my-kids-video/
    Barack Obama's enemies list: Anyone who contributes to Mitt Romney
    http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-s-enemies-list-anyone-who-contributes-to-mitt-romney


    The irony is that these people would proclaim under Bush that they were being silenced but they now pursue Nixonian tactics. That said, it's a positive change now that there is a funding advantage to those in particular who believe in smaller government.
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    Jun 19, 2012 6:46 PM GMT
    This artcle totally leaves out as does the Conservaposse that the Likes of Adelson the Dual National from Israel is one of many angry and very wealthy donors whose wish to defeat Obama is to forward the Far Right agenda and 'Carte Blanche' adherence to the Israeli Lobby AIPAC's wish list.

    Prove to us that small everyday Americans are donating anywhere close to what these donors I mention are putting toward their first interest which s Israel and not the US interests. Corps are more than likely only second to the Adelson types.

    READ PEOPLE !!! Adelson has said his money to defeat Obama could be endless for his interest in all things israel. Soros donationas usually help the middle class issues, not another country as with Republicans angry donors.
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    Jun 19, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
    realifedad said This artcle totally leaves out as does the Conservaposse that the Likes of Adelson the Dual National from Israel is one of many angry and very wealthy donors whose wish to defeat Obama is to forward the Far Right agenda and 'Carte Blanche' adherence to the Israeli Lobby AIPAC's wish list.

    Prove to us that small everyday Americans are donating anywhere close to what these donors I mention are putting toward their first interest which s Israel and not the US interests. Corps are more than likely only second to the Adelson types.

    READ PEOPLE !!! Adelson has said his money to defeat Obama could be endless for his interest in all things israel. Soros donationas usually help the middle class issues, not another country as with Republicans angry donors.


    I think Adelson will actually contribute very little in comparison to others pulling up to the table. PAC funding alone on the Republican side already has over $1 trillion committed that I know of, with $750 million of that coming from two sources. Hell, the purchase of tv (as in the station) , cable, and radio has been discussed.

    You can fuck with anybody's money when those you fuck with haven't earned it. When you cross the line and fuck with money that belongs to those who have earned it, you have trouble on your hands.

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    Jun 22, 2012 12:31 PM GMT
    The problem isn't just that the other side is highly motivated, but Obama hasn't given his own side much to be enthusiastic about as he continues to alienate the public as he panders to special interest groups...

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/wealthy_democrats_still_ignoring_super_pacs-215584-1.html?pos=hftxt

    Campaign finance reports filed Wednesday yet again point to the basic problem facing Democrat-friendly super PACs as they struggle to catch up with their GOP counterparts: Wealthy liberals are still not playing the big-money game.

    It’s not that high-rolling Democrats have stopped making campaign donations altogether. If anything, May fundraising totals just filed with the Federal Election Commission suggest that top-tier progressive donors are finally starting to open their checkbooks.

    Priorities USA Action, the leading super PAC backing President Barack Obama, collected $4 million in May, not too much less than the $4.96 million raised by Restore Our Future, the super PAC supporting presumed GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

    The Priorities USA Action haul represents a big jump over the $1.6 million the group raised in April and looks even more impressive when compared with the measly $58,815 that the super PAC netted in January. June, moreover, is already turning out to be “a stronger month than May,” a Priorities spokeswoman said.

    The problem for Democrats is that Priorities USA Action and other Democratic super PACs remain so dramatically outgunned by GOP-friendly outside groups. Restore Our Future, for example, has brought in $66.4 million so far in this election cycle, more than three times the $18.6 million Priorities USA Action has raised, according to the Center for Responsive Politics and public records.
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    realifedad said This artcle totally leaves out as does the Conservaposse that the Likes of Adelson the Dual National from Israel is one of many angry and very wealthy donors whose wish to defeat Obama is to forward the Far Right agenda and 'Carte Blanche' adherence to the Israeli Lobby AIPAC's wish list.

    Prove to us that small everyday Americans are donating anywhere close to what these donors I mention are putting toward their first interest which s Israel and not the US interests. Corps are more than likely only second to the Adelson types.

    READ PEOPLE !!! Adelson has said his money to defeat Obama could be endless for his interest in all things israel. Soros donationas usually help the middle class issues, not another country as with Republicans angry donors.


    I think Adelson will actually contribute very little in comparison to others pulling up to the table. PAC funding alone on the Republican side already has over $1 trillion committed that I know of, with $750 million of that coming from two sources. Hell, the purchase of tv (as in the station) , cable, and radio has been discussed.

    You can fuck with anybody's money when those you fuck with haven't earned it. When you cross the line and fuck with money that belongs to those who have earned it, you have trouble on your hands.




    Have you taken a good hard look at the names funding thos PAC's ? There's a whole lot of Adelson's throwing out money for their 'hidden' interests. Look up the names on Google, and search out their 'intersts', its an eye opener !!! Check out who the CEO's are behind the Corp Donations, that too is an eye opener.
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    Jun 22, 2012 3:17 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidThe problem isn't just that the other side is highly motivated, but Obama hasn't given his own side much to be enthusiastic about as he continues to alienate the public as he panders to special interest groups...

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/wealthy_democrats_still_ignoring_super_pacs-215584-1.html?pos=hftxt

    Campaign finance reports filed Wednesday yet again point to the basic problem facing Democrat-friendly super PACs as they struggle to catch up with their GOP counterparts: Wealthy liberals are still not playing the big-money game.

    It’s not that high-rolling Democrats have stopped making campaign donations altogether. If anything, May fundraising totals just filed with the Federal Election Commission suggest that top-tier progressive donors are finally starting to open their checkbooks.

    Priorities USA Action, the leading super PAC backing President Barack Obama, collected $4 million in May, not too much less than the $4.96 million raised by Restore Our Future, the super PAC supporting presumed GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

    The Priorities USA Action haul represents a big jump over the $1.6 million the group raised in April and looks even more impressive when compared with the measly $58,815 that the super PAC netted in January. June, moreover, is already turning out to be “a stronger month than May,” a Priorities spokeswoman said.

    The problem for Democrats is that Priorities USA Action and other Democratic super PACs remain so dramatically outgunned by GOP-friendly outside groups. Restore Our Future, for example, has brought in $66.4 million so far in this election cycle, more than three times the $18.6 million Priorities USA Action has raised, according to the Center for Responsive Politics and public records.

    Yes. Pandering to special interest groups and the base on the far left is his only strategy as he has lost the middle. Analysts say it is a strategy that will fail as the middle grows and becomes more energized. By contrast, the base and the special interest groups are more demoralized because the economy hurts them too.
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    Jun 22, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    SoCal SAYS WHAAAAAAT ? LMAO !!!


    (This re; Obama) "Yes. Pandering to special interest groups and the base" HMMM !!! How do these nuts make such statements in total blindness to their candidate Romney who wrote the book on Pandering to "special interests" such as Dual National Adelsons millions and to the base the Christian Fundi's and TBaggers. Such blindness in light of the facts is truely amazing from these partisan fanatics.
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    Jun 22, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
    realifedad said SoCal SAYS WHAAAAAAT ? LMAO !!!


    (This re; Obama) "Yes. Pandering to special interest groups and the base" HMMM !!! How do these nuts make such statements in total blindness to their candidate Romney who wrote the book on Pandering to "special interests" such as Dual National Adelsons millions and to the base the Christian Fundi's and TBaggers. Such blindness in light of the facts is truely amazing from these partisan fanatics.


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    I don't know who panders more to special interests, I assume it happens everywhere but when it comes to fundraising, it's indicative that while Wall Street money for Obama has been drying up, he's been forced to travel to California a lot more.
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    Jun 22, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    Awww ... Whatssamatter ?

    The big bad Obama yelled at you and you're scared ?

    Give me a freakin break ..... Billionaires wanna game the system by buying it and now they wanna play like they are afraid of the consequences ?


    Sorry ..... you don't get to buy the government without everyone KNOWING you're buying the government