Gov. Scott Walker: Let's grow our nation's independence, not dependence

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    Jun 17, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
    The irony is that his opponents tried to destroy him and he emerged much stronger...

    http://news.investors.com/article/614954/201206160954/wisconsin-governor-scott-walker-drives-fiscal-integrity-to-create-jobs.htm

    Last fall, my wife Tonette and I had a chance to visit Independence Hall. It was quite an experience. You see, as a kid, I loved history and thought of our Founders as being well, bigger than life...almost like super heroes...so looking at the desks and the chairs where they sat was really pretty amazing.

    Standing there, it dawned on me that those who had assembled in these chambers were ordinary citizens who did something quite extraordinary. They didn't just risk their political careers or their business ventures; they risked their lives for the freedoms we hold dear today.

    It reminded me that what has made America great, what has made us exceptional for more than two centuries, what has made the United States arguably the greatest country in the history of the world; is that in moments of crisis—be they economic or fiscal, be they military or spiritual—there have been men and women of courage who thought more about the future of their children and grandchildren than they thought about their own political destiny.

    We need leaders like that today.

    Sadly, the President and many of his allies seem to measure success by how many people are dependent on government programs. Those policies have failed. In contrast, I and many other Republicans define success in just the opposite way—by how many people we can free from government dependence by growing the private sector.

    Now that doesn't mean we want to throw folks off of unemployment. Instead, we want people no longer dependent on government because they have a job. When more of our fellow citizens have work in the private sector there will be more freedom and more prosperity in our country. That’s a good thing…a very good thing.

    In Wisconsin, we faced one of the biggest budget deficits ever when I first took office last year. During the three years prior to my tenure, my state lost more than 100,000 jobs and the unemployment rate was above 9 percent.

    Today, Wisconsin has a budget surplus. For the first time in history, we’re able to put money into our state’s rainy day fund for two years in a row. Since taking office, Wisconsin has gained more than 41,000 private sector jobs and the unemployment rate; well, it's below 7 percent for the first time since 2008. My state used to be ranked in the bottom ten of the best and worst states to do business in. Now, we’re in the top 20…and climbing.
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    Jun 17, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidThe irony is that his opponents tried to destroy him and he emerged much stronger...

    Unfortunately, your 'irony' isnt the truth.icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 17, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidThe irony is that his opponents tried to destroy him and he emerged much stronger...



    Yes, democracy has a funny way of working out like that sometimes. Everyone I know from WI could not be happier with Walker, or the result of the election.
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    riddler78 saidThe irony is that his opponents tried to destroy him and he emerged much stronger...



    Yes, democracy has a funny way of working out like that sometimes. Everyone I know from WI could not be happier with Walker, or the result of the election.


    Not to mention giving momentum to the GOP (with the longer term implications that reliance on any funding and organization coming from public sector unions could be reduced dramatically). Long lost are the days of the FDR Democrats...
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    Jun 17, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
    What a great speech that was! How can any liberal argue what he said isnt true? If they do how would they think our fore fathers envisioned our country to be?

    I hope Wisconsin can keep Walker as Governor but the more I hear him the more I think he might become a leader in the conservative push to take back the country.
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    Jun 17, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidThe irony is that his opponents tried to destroy him and he emerged much stronger...



    Yes, democracy has a funny way of working out like that sometimes. Everyone I know from WI could not be happier with Walker, or the result of the election.
    LMAO.. ya mean jack_ass1?icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    riddler78 saidThe irony is that his opponents tried to destroy him and he emerged much stronger...



    Yes, democracy has a funny way of working out like that sometimes. Everyone I know from WI could not be happier with Walker, or the result of the election.


    Not to mention giving momentum to the GOP (with the longer term implications that reliance on any funding and organization coming from public sector unions could be reduced dramatically). Long lost are the days of the FDR Democrats...


    It's funny when right-wingers slip and reveal the actual reason they support Governor Wanker.

    It's never been about fiscal responsibility - after all he created the "budget hole" he needed to fill - it's always been about power.

    The left needn't worry. People are waking up and Obama is reinvigorating the coalition that elected him (women, blacks and Latino, immigrants, young people and gay folks) which has only gotten larger since 2008.

    The right-wing will spend billions to lose.
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    Jun 17, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidWhat a great speech that was! How can any liberal argue what he said isnt true? If they do how would they think our fore fathers envisioned our country to be?

    I hope Wisconsin can keep Walker as Governor but the more I hear him the more I think he might become a leader in the conservative push to take back the country.

    Still a long way until November, but we are seeing a total collapse of the left. The Obama gaffes and the inconvenient comments of Democrats such as Booker, Pres Clinton, Gov Rendell are symptomatic. Given the expected continued state of the economy, there is no reason to project anything but a continuation of the same.
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    Jun 18, 2012 12:02 PM GMT
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/Scott-Walker-Raises-Washington-Profile-215433-1.html?pos=hln

    Scott Walker Raises Washington Profile

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker continued his ascendancy to top GOP surrogate this week, capping off a two-day trip to Washington, D.C., by delivering today’s Republican weekly address.

    Walker’s Washington trip, undertaken in the wake of his victory in the June 5 recall election, featured media appearances and a meeting with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.).

    “Gov. Walker’s outstanding record of fiscal responsibility clearly demonstrates his commitment to public service and the people of Wisconsin,” McConnell said in a release. “Gov. Walker’s account of his life as an ordinary citizen who went on to achieve something quite extraordinary is an inspiration to us all.”

    Fresh off his win, Walker felt comfortable taking time during his visit to publicly advise presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney on how he should modify his message. The Badger State governor repeated several times that Romney should move beyond his party identification in his effort to distinguish himself from President Barack Obama.
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    Jun 18, 2012 12:13 PM GMT
    There are a couple of schools of thought on how specific Romney should be. He produced an economic plan during the primaries. Many agree with Gov Walker to an extent that he should continue to explain that and make it an issue. But the counter point is the election when an incumbent is running for reelection is about the incumbent's performance. If a challenger is seen as an acceptable or reasonable alternative, the assessment of the incumbent will determine the election. With this point of view, making it about Obama's performance is exactly what Romney should do. Obama wants to take the focus away from that. The more specific Romney becomes on providing an option, the more opportunity Obama has to make it option A versus option B, distorting both to suit his own objectives.
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    Jun 18, 2012 1:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThere are a couple of schools of thought on how specific Romney should be. He produced an economic plan during the primaries. Many agree with Gov Walker to an extent that he should continue to explain that and make it an issue. But the counter point is the election when an incumbent is running for reelection is about the incumbent's performance. If a challenger is seen as an acceptable or reasonable alternative, the assessment of the incumbent will determine the election. With this point of view, making it about Obama's performance is exactly what Romney should do. Obama wants to take the focus away from that. The more specific Romney becomes on providing an option, the more opportunity Obama has to make it option A versus option B, distorting both to suit his own objectives.



    I agree that Romney should keep hammering away at Obama policies that aren't working, and he has been doing this -- relentlessly -- but I don't think this is going to be enough. Once the convention is over, he needs to start hammering away on the specifics of what he would do to turn all of this around. He needs to have a game plan that he can lay out before the American people and drive it home before the election. I have no doubt he will do that. Timing is everything, and he's a smart man.
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    Jun 18, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    Governor Romney's economic plan

    There was a conference call with reporters a few weeks ago with a campaign official where she was asked Specifically what his plan was
    in fact they gave her two choices

    Would that plan be something new or the Bush economic plan

    Her words not mine ... The Bush Plan ...more or less the same

    Boy oh boy oh boy

    Sure hope you got Lots and Lots of lipstick for that Pig of yours
    Some masquara may help some too
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    Jun 18, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    GQjock saidGovernor Romney's economic plan

    There was a conference call with reporters a few weeks ago with a campaign official where she was asked Specifically what his plan was
    in fact they gave her two choices

    Would that plan be something new or the Bush economic plan

    Her words not mine ... The Bush Plan ...more or less the same

    Boy oh boy oh boy

    Sure hope you got Lots and Lots of lipstick for that Pig of yours
    Some masquara may help some too



    All this illuminated really (besides your own cluelessness about Romney's economic plan) is the reporter asking the question in the first place being an idiot. These reporters are lazy asses who need to do their homework. Mitt Romney laid out a very detailed 56 point economic plan even before the primaries -- and he has also supported elements of The Ryan Plan. Obviously, as the election draws near he will likely hone in on much of this and begin to sell it to the American people with greater clarity, but for a reporter to ask such a ridiculous question of what his plan his (when he/she clearly hasn't done any homework) is absorb since an "economic plan" can not really be reduced to 30 second or 1 minute sound byte during a conference call.
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    Jun 18, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock saidGovernor Romney's economic plan

    There was a conference call with reporters a few weeks ago with a campaign official where she was asked Specifically what his plan was
    in fact they gave her two choices

    Would that plan be something new or the Bush economic plan

    Her words not mine ... The Bush Plan ...more or less the same

    Boy oh boy oh boy

    Sure hope you got Lots and Lots of lipstick for that Pig of yours
    Some masquara may help some too



    All this illuminated really (besides your own cluelessness about Romney's economic plan) is the reporter asking the question in the first place being an idiot. These reporters are lazy asses who need to do their homework. Mitt Romney laid out a very detailed 56 point economic plan even before the primaries -- and he has also supported elements of The Ryan Plan. Obviously, as the election draws near he will likely hone in on much of this and begin to sell it to the American people with greater clarity, but for a reporter to ask such a ridiculous question of what his plan his (when he/she clearly hasn't done any homework) is absorb since an "economic plan" can not really be reduced to 30 second or 1 minute sound byte during a conference call.


    I think the reporter knew exactly what he was doing. And agree they are trying desperately to create that 15 second sound byte.

    Its going to get worse leading up to the election. I wouldn't be surprised if the left reignites the pie throwing contest.
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    Jun 18, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
    Lets see how Romney's plan compares with those for the Bush Years

    Romney's economic plan
    as Per His website

    Smaller Government ... Check

    Deregulation .... Check

    Human Capital .... Mitt Romney sees two important goals
    First is to retrain American workers
    Second is to attract the best and the brightest from around the world

    WTF are you talking about Mitt? Retrain American Workers?
    In What party do you belong? and with What money are yoou gonna do this with?
    and atratct the best and the brightest?
    IMMIGRANTS???????
    Do you read the crap you POST?????

    Your party wants to boot out honor students who have been here basically since they were infants and you wanna bring in Immrants to do the work of Americans
    You are delusional
    my man

    Taxes ... Flat Simple and tilted toward the wealthy.... Check

    Energy ... Pro-Market - Pro-Lobby ...Check

    Labor ... LOL .... BIG Fukkin Checkeroo

    Trade ... Open Markets .... Again Check

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    musclmed said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock saidGovernor Romney's economic plan

    There was a conference call with reporters a few weeks ago with a campaign official where she was asked Specifically what his plan was
    in fact they gave her two choices

    Would that plan be something new or the Bush economic plan

    Her words not mine ... The Bush Plan ...more or less the same

    Boy oh boy oh boy

    Sure hope you got Lots and Lots of lipstick for that Pig of yours
    Some masquara may help some too



    All this illuminated really (besides your own cluelessness about Romney's economic plan) is the reporter asking the question in the first place being an idiot. These reporters are lazy asses who need to do their homework. Mitt Romney laid out a very detailed 56 point economic plan even before the primaries -- and he has also supported elements of The Ryan Plan. Obviously, as the election draws near he will likely hone in on much of this and begin to sell it to the American people with greater clarity, but for a reporter to ask such a ridiculous question of what his plan his (when he/she clearly hasn't done any homework) is absorb since an "economic plan" can not really be reduced to 30 second or 1 minute sound byte during a conference call.


    I think the reporter knew exactly what he was doing. And agree they are trying desperately to create that 15 second sound byte.

    Its going to get worse leading up to the election. I wouldn't be surprised if the left reignites the pie throwing contest.


    Turnabout though is fair play... I think they often forget this... and then cry foul when the exact same tactics are used on them.
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    Jun 18, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    musclmed saidI wouldn't be surprised if the left reignites the pie throwing contest.



    LOL! True...and there will probably be a run on water pistols in toy stores. icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 18, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    WalkerIn Wisconsin, we faced one of the biggest budget deficits ever when I first took office last year. During the three years prior to my tenure, my state lost more than 100,000 jobs and the unemployment rate was above 9 percent.

    Today, Wisconsin has a budget surplus. For the first time in history, we’re able to put money into our state’s rainy day fund for two years in a row. Since taking office, Wisconsin has gained more than 41,000 private sector jobs and the unemployment rate; well, it's below 7 percent for the first time since 2008. My state used to be ranked in the bottom ten of the best and worst states to do business in. Now, we’re in the top 20…and climbing.


    It's rather convenient for him to ignore the fact that when he took office in 2011, the unemployment rate in Wisconsin was 7.6% and already falling quickly, at the same rate that would have gotten to below 7% by now. (in fact, after he took office, there was a lull of 6 months when it stayed at 7.5-7.7% before falling again)

    The unemployment rate stayed at 9% for 6 months in only 2009. His first statement makes it sound like it was above 9% all the time before he magically saved the day.

    The curves for unemployment rate also parallels that for the whole USA. How many people have dropped out of the workforce in Wisconsin, one might ask?

    [url]http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST550000&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=wisconsin+unemployment#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=state:ST550000&idim=country:US&ifdim=country&tstart=1195362000000&tend=1337313600000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false[/url]
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    Jun 19, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
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    WalkerIn Wisconsin, we faced one of the biggest budget deficits ever when I first took office last year. During the three years prior to my tenure, my state lost more than 100,000 jobs and the unemployment rate was above 9 percent.

    Today, Wisconsin has a budget surplus. For the first time in history, we’re able to put money into our state’s rainy day fund for two years in a row. Since taking office, Wisconsin has gained more than 41,000 private sector jobs and the unemployment rate; well, it's below 7 percent for the first time since 2008. My state used to be ranked in the bottom ten of the best and worst states to do business in. Now, we’re in the top 20…and climbing.


    It's rather convenient for him to ignore the fact that when he took office in 2011, the unemployment rate in Wisconsin was 7.6% and already falling quickly, at the same rate that would have gotten to below 7% by now. (in fact, after he took office, there was a lull of 6 months when it stayed at 7.5-7.7% before falling again)

    The unemployment rate stayed at 9% for 6 months in only 2009. His first statement makes it sound like it was above 9% all the time before he magically saved the day.

    The curves for unemployment rate also parallels that for the whole USA. How many people have dropped out of the workforce in Wisconsin, one might ask?

    [url]http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST550000&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=wisconsin+unemployment#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=state:ST550000&idim=country:US&ifdim=country&tstart=1195362000000&tend=1337313600000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false[/url]


    And it's quite convenient for you to ignore the fact that Wisconsin was in pretty difficult financial shape and in serious need of reform prior to Walker's election. I think you've also forgotten that Wisconsin is already a fairly progressive state and the fact that they elected Walker is indicative of how serious its residents considered its fiscal problems.

    I think most people recognize that the jobs number wasn't even positive until the last few months - but that's the thing when it comes moving towards making an economy more sustainable. You move down then up and faster - you make short term sacrifices that allow for more rapid and sustainable growth to make up for the adjustment of the government spending declines. That the recovery has been relatively fast is an achievement - and Wisconsin is already at a significant advantage to neighboring states that haven't yet made the reforms.
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    WalkerIn Wisconsin, we faced one of the biggest budget deficits ever when I first took office last year. During the three years prior to my tenure, my state lost more than 100,000 jobs and the unemployment rate was above 9 percent.

    Today, Wisconsin has a budget surplus. For the first time in history, we’re able to put money into our state’s rainy day fund for two years in a row. Since taking office, Wisconsin has gained more than 41,000 private sector jobs and the unemployment rate; well, it's below 7 percent for the first time since 2008. My state used to be ranked in the bottom ten of the best and worst states to do business in. Now, we’re in the top 20…and climbing.


    It's rather convenient for him to ignore the fact that when he took office in 2011, the unemployment rate in Wisconsin was 7.6% and already falling quickly, at the same rate that would have gotten to below 7% by now. (in fact, after he took office, there was a lull of 6 months when it stayed at 7.5-7.7% before falling again)

    The unemployment rate stayed at 9% for 6 months in only 2009. His first statement makes it sound like it was above 9% all the time before he magically saved the day.

    The curves for unemployment rate also parallels that for the whole USA. How many people have dropped out of the workforce in Wisconsin, one might ask?

    [url]http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST550000&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=wisconsin+unemployment#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=state:ST550000&idim=country:US&ifdim=country&tstart=1195362000000&tend=1337313600000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false[/url]


    And it's quite convenient for you to ignore the fact that Wisconsin was in pretty difficult financial shape and in serious need of reform prior to Walker's election. I think you've also forgotten that Wisconsin is already a fairly progressive state and the fact that they elected Walker is indicative of how serious its residents considered its fiscal problems.

    I think most people recognize that the jobs number wasn't even positive until the last few months - but that's the thing when it comes moving towards making an economy more sustainable. You move down then up and faster - you make short term sacrifices that allow for more rapid and sustainable growth to make up for the adjustment of the government spending declines. That the recovery has been relatively fast is an achievement - and Wisconsin is already at a significant advantage to neighboring states that haven't yet made the reforms.


    I said nothing about Wisconsin's financial shape, its progressivity, or the jobs number. I simply stated that Walker's rhetoric on the unemployment rate covers quite a bit of territory in a few stark sentences and make it sound very straightforward, when in fact, the graph shows that his view is simply over flattering to himself.

    We still need the positive job numbers he quoted to be verified by the end of the month by the feds.
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    Jun 19, 2012 1:49 AM GMT
    And since you brought up the budget for Wisconsin:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/02/14/will-gov-scott-walker-ever-come-clean-on-wisconsins-budget-deficit/The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel does a good job of laying it out-

    In June, Walker and Republican lawmakers passed a balanced budget according to the measure that is always used for state budgets – cash accounting. That means essentially that the state will have cash left in its main account – an estimated balance of $68 million – when the budget ends on June 30, 2013.

    That’s the measure that state officials use for budgets and the one Walker has repeatedly touted in statements when he says he eliminated a $3 billion budget deficit on a cash accounting basis.”

    There are,essentially, two accepted methods of accounting. There is the “cash method”— the one utilized by the Wisconsin legislature and Gov. Walker in creating their balanced budget—which accounts for how much money is in the bank at the end of the fiscal year after bills have been paid. If there remains cash in the bank account, then there is no deficit.

    Of course, this approach does not take into account the reality that upcoming obligations are not only going to wipe out that cash, but create a deficit when those obligations exceed what is in the bank. As a result, cash accounting rarely presents a true picture of an organization’s finances—which is precisely why every public company in America, along with most city and country units of government, are required to use the GAAP method.
    ...
    It seems that while Governor Walker now chooses to use cash basis accounting rather than a more honest representation of the state’s finances—at least when reporting his results to the people of Wisconsin—Candidate Walker saw it very differently. In fact, in 2010, Walker vigorously campaigned on the importance of ridding the state of this distorted method of accounting, going so far as to state on his campaign website that he would “Require the use of generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) to balance every state budget, just as we require every local government and school district to do.”

    How quickly he forgets—except when it serves his purposes to suddenly convert to GAAP when he wants something from the federal government.
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    Jun 19, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI said nothing about Wisconsin's financial shape, its progressivity, or the jobs number. I simply stated that Walker's rhetoric on the unemployment rate covers quite a bit of territory in a few stark sentences and make it sound very straightforward, when in fact, the graph shows that his view is simply over flattering to himself.

    We still need the positive job numbers he quoted to be verified by the end of the month by the feds.


    That's a pretty uncharitable characterization all things considered (not to mention the cherry picking of one detail) - especially given how the Obama Administration and others paint their jobs numbers by attempting to minimize how bad things are. Walker's achievements are significant and the fact he won by a larger margin than previously suggests at least his constituents recognize this.
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    Jun 19, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidAnd since you brought up the budget for Wisconsin:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/02/14/will-gov-scott-walker-ever-come-clean-on-wisconsins-budget-deficit/The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel does a good job of laying it out-

    In June, Walker and Republican lawmakers passed a balanced budget according to the measure that is always used for state budgets – cash accounting. That means essentially that the state will have cash left in its main account – an estimated balance of $68 million – when the budget ends on June 30, 2013.

    That’s the measure that state officials use for budgets and the one Walker has repeatedly touted in statements when he says he eliminated a $3 billion budget deficit on a cash accounting basis.”

    There are,essentially, two accepted methods of accounting. There is the “cash method”— the one utilized by the Wisconsin legislature and Gov. Walker in creating their balanced budget—which accounts for how much money is in the bank at the end of the fiscal year after bills have been paid. If there remains cash in the bank account, then there is no deficit.

    Of course, this approach does not take into account the reality that upcoming obligations are not only going to wipe out that cash, but create a deficit when those obligations exceed what is in the bank. As a result, cash accounting rarely presents a true picture of an organization’s finances—which is precisely why every public company in America, along with most city and country units of government, are required to use the GAAP method.
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    It seems that while Governor Walker now chooses to use cash basis accounting rather than a more honest representation of the state’s finances—at least when reporting his results to the people of Wisconsin—Candidate Walker saw it very differently. In fact, in 2010, Walker vigorously campaigned on the importance of ridding the state of this distorted method of accounting, going so far as to state on his campaign website that he would “Require the use of generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) to balance every state budget, just as we require every local government and school district to do.”

    How quickly he forgets—except when it serves his purposes to suddenly convert to GAAP when he wants something from the federal government.


    Again, it's remarkable how uncharitable this interpretation is. Even on a cash basis or a GAAP basis, the deficit has narrowed considerably - or do you disagree?

    On a cash basis, they've even gone into a surplus - which is absolutely true. From an accounting standpoint does the Wisconsin government not report on a GAAP basis? How do other states report to the HHS? GAAP - which is why it makes sense that he should pursue grants entitled to his state. To suggest this makes it a lie is ridiculous.

    You do realize that in campaigns you attempt to portray yourself in the most favorable light? Of course you do, since you haven't brought up similar issues with respect to the Obama campaign where what we will call the deviations from and avoidance of the truth are considerably greater given how poorly the US economy has performed over the last 4 years.
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    Jun 19, 2012 5:04 AM GMT
    I'm just saying, be consistent, and don't say that it's all Obama's fault when the unemployment rate has stalled while for the same 6 months it's done the same for Walker (don't bullshit me about "pain now and gain later").

    And again, if the unemployment rates have dropped, it's not just people dropping out of finding jobs for the US numbers, while for Wisconsin it's a pure job gain. The same phenomenon happens all over the US, maybe not to the same extent.

    And Walker's the one who campaigned on the budget needing to be GAAP based. He's also way beyond even a hint of getting 250k jobs by the end of his term, at this rate.

    I'm not the only one cherry picking.
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    Jun 19, 2012 5:12 AM GMT
    BTW, by GAAP accounting, Wisconsin has a $3 billion deficit for each of the next 2 years.

    http://www.wisconsinreporter.com/balanced-budget-surplus-gloss-over-many-states-financial-woes

    http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/jan/29/scott-walker/gov-scott-walker-says-he-eliminated-wisconsins-36-/

    May I hear some applause for Gov. Mark Dayton who, by cash accounting, made Minnesota have an even bigger $323 million surplus this year? icon_lol.gif