Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use

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    Jul 30, 2008 5:56 PM GMT
    "The vast amount of human activity ought to be none of the government's business," Frank said during a Capitol Hill news conference. "I don't think it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."

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    DEA, White House say marijuana dangerous, has no accepted medical use

    Decriminalization advocates say marijuana laws should mirror alcohol laws

    NORML spokesman says marijuana user arrested in U.S. "every 38 seconds"

    HR 5843 would not affect laws on growing, importing, exporting marijuana

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/frank.marijuana/index.html


  • Bunjamon

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    Jul 30, 2008 6:35 PM GMT
    Finally! Even as someone who has never smoked pot (and now can't smoke anything due to health reasons), I think it's RIDICULOUS that pot is illegal. Follow in Canada's footsteps and de-criminalize it, at least!
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    Jul 30, 2008 6:46 PM GMT
    Make smoking it mandatory.
  • kinetic

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    Jul 30, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    I LOVE that man (Barney Frank). I have a few good friends that know him and he is an amazing guy. He makes me proud to be from MA!
  • bwayne78

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    Jul 30, 2008 7:07 PM GMT
    There is absolutely no reason that pot should be treated any differently than alcohol.

    I cannot wrap my head around the fact that I can go to any corner store and buy enough alcohol to kill me with $40...but could be arrested just for having a joint on me...with long lasting repercussions

    Come on people wake up...and lets work on decriminalizing pot use.

    It only makes sense.
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    Jul 30, 2008 7:12 PM GMT
    Bunjamon saidFinally! Even as someone who has never smoked pot (and now can't smoke anything due to health reasons), I think it's RIDICULOUS that pot is illegal. Follow in Canada's footsteps and de-criminalize it, at least!


    LOL. My thoughts exactly.

    And yes, I've NEVER smoked pot.
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    Jul 30, 2008 7:45 PM GMT
    I concur, never smoked, can't because of health reasons but its about time we legalize pot. With all the misery in the world, why not let people have some responsible fun?

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    Jul 30, 2008 7:55 PM GMT
    Laws criminalizing marijuana, like too much of legislation in America, was passed after a sustained campaign of lies, misinformation, and efforts to whip up public hysteria. It played on ignorance, fear, and racism.

    Laws passed under such circumstances should be voided quickly and completely.

    There is no justification, nor any common sense, to our laws against marijuana.

    And I too have never used it, don't have any interest in it, and wouldn't use it if it were legal. Same as I don't abuse alcohol or drugs I've been prescribed.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:06 PM GMT
    Being a former pot head of 10 years, I think they should legalize it. Because of the stupid laws.. I took the fall for someone so they could graduate.. and now I'm paying the consequences. I know, it was my fault and shouldn't have done that. But oh well. While I firmly believe it should be legalized, because alcohol in my opinion is way worse, it will probably never happen. They make way too much money of off the people who smoke it and get caught.
  • Bunjamon

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    Jul 30, 2008 9:07 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI don't smoke it. I don't smoke anything for that matter. But I must say the people that I do know that smoke pot are such lazy unmotivated people. It's been my observation. I don't see the big deal with it but all the pot smokers I knew back in high school and whatnot were the type of people that did the least amount of anything just to get by. Anyone who smokes pot and is honest with themselves can and have admitted this to me in the past.


    That is such an unfair generalization. People who are chronic (smoking pot multiple times a day every day) tend to be pretty lazy, but people who smoke pot in social situations, like people who consume alcohol in social situations, are no less motivated than you or I. Plenty of people who smoked a lot of pot are plenty motivated and successful. Look at Obama! icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:11 PM GMT
    Bunjamon said
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI don't smoke it. I don't smoke anything for that matter. But I must say the people that I do know that smoke pot are such lazy unmotivated people. It's been my observation. I don't see the big deal with it but all the pot smokers I knew back in high school and whatnot were the type of people that did the least amount of anything just to get by. Anyone who smokes pot and is honest with themselves can and have admitted this to me in the past.


    That is such an unfair generalization. People who are chronic (smoking pot multiple times a day every day) tend to be pretty lazy, but people who smoke pot in social situations, like people who consume alcohol in social situations, are no less motivated than you or I. Plenty of people who smoked a lot of pot are plenty motivated and successful. Look at Obama! icon_smile.gif


    There's another generalization. Not all "chronic" pot smokers are lazy. I used to smoke 10-20 blunts a day every day. Was I lazy? No. I worked 2 jobs, went to school and worked out every day. If that's lazy, then I definitely need an explanation on what's not lazy.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    Some of my real-life friends smoke pot occasionally, but otherwise don't strike me as lazy.

    Some of my artist coworkers smoke pot, including the most talented and hardworking of us, our art director. He's the farthest thing from lazy that I can think of. He works as a 3d artist for a well-known game company and still finds time to work on our project as well as teach and guide us younger artists. Before that he was a a songwriter/musician that released an album. No formal schooling in art, just the desire to learn 3d modeling is what got him into his current job as a pro game developer... in a span of less than 3 years he went from an indie rocker to a professional 3d artist working for a video game company. icon_confused.gif

    He's the most talented and most driven person I know ever. A person I can honestly call a prodigy.
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    Jul 30, 2008 10:22 PM GMT
    What! Didn't you see the movie? Or the musical? Pot destroys our youth!

    Just kidding ...

    I think it would be a good move to legalize, or at least decriminalize marijuana. The stuff stinks worse than cigarettes when burned though. I don't know what people see in it, when I was 14 it had me leaning against a tobacco barn wishing the world would stop spinning so fast.

    Marijuana makes a great textile product and grows in poor soil. It could enhance the economies of states like Virginia, Ohio, West Virginia and Kentucky by bringing in a new industry.

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    Jul 30, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
    John43620 saidWhat! Didn't you see the movie? Or the musical? Pot destroys our youth!

    Just kidding ...

    I think it would be a good move to legalize, or at least decriminalize marijuana. The stuff stinks worse than cigarettes when burned though. I don't know what people see in it, when I was 14 it had me leaning against a tobacco barn wishing the world would stop spinning so fast.

    Marijuana makes a great textile product and grows in poor soil. It could enhance the economies of states like Virginia, Ohio, West Virginia and Kentucky by bringing in a new industry.



    Industrial hemp and THC marijuana are two totally different kinds of plants. One will not make you high but just give you a headache. The other doesn't provide very strong plant fibers suitable for the thousands of products that are possible with hemp.

    But no...back in the day the powers that be decided it was better to cut down mature trees and sythesize petroleum for paper and textile products, so industrial hemp was smeared as a drug and made illegal. Now we have a select few companies in control of all this limited oil and timber. How convenient for them. How inconvenient for the rest of us.

    But this thread is about the drug. Try this: One day give a hot-headed redneck a good helping of illegal Willie Nelson approved kind bud and put him in a trailer with his lazy-ass wife. On the second day give the guy six legal Budweiser tallboys and put him in the same trailer with that same lazy-ass wife. Guess which day he beats the shit out of her, and which day they sit around laughing at TMZ and eating bonbons.

    Legalize it. We're tired of paying taxes for police, court, and prison costs for completely bullshit offenses. Hell, the government could make money taxing pot.
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    Jul 30, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    On this subject...
    Does anyone actually smoke?
    I'm seeing a lot of...
    "I used to."
    "I Have done it."
    anyone still do it?

    Just to start...
    I do, and am a very motivated, hard working individual. I go to school, work, paint, sculpt, study, and I work out every other day. And on the days I don't work out still partake in some kind of physical activity. I know that this is going to get some boos in my direction and a lot of people here will push me aside as "lazy stoner," whatever.
    Honesty doesn't hurt anything and I'm going to imagine that a lot more of you guys do smoke than will admit. I very rarely drink, and I never drink hard liquor when I do. I have drank, and have become very drunk in the past. I can honestly say that being a little bit stoned is far more enjoyable than being drunk, or even having to worry about the headache/nausea, etc. that could follow the next morning.

    So call me pot-head...
    Refuse to talk to me. That's all good. But Honesty?
    Who will fess up first?
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    Jul 30, 2008 10:51 PM GMT
    acrojock10 saidOn this subject...
    Does anyone actually smoke?
    I'm seeing a lot of...
    "I used to."
    "I Have done it."
    anyone still do it?

    Just to start...
    I do, and am a very motivated, hard working individual. I go to school, work, paint, sculpt, study, and I work out every other day. And on the days I don't work out still partake in some kind of physical activity. I know that this is going to get some boos in my direction and a lot of people here will push me aside as "lazy stoner," whatever.
    Honesty doesn't hurt anything and I'm going to imagine that a lot more of you guys do smoke than will admit. I very rarely drink, and I never drink hard liquor when I do. I have drank, and have become very drunk in the past. I can honestly say that being a little bit stoned is far more enjoyable than being drunk, or even having to worry about the headache/nausea, etc. that could follow the next morning.

    So call me pot-head...
    Refuse to talk to me. That's all good. But Honesty?
    Who will fess up first?


    Greetings.
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    Jul 30, 2008 10:54 PM GMT
    WOOT! Thanks for an honest reply!
    And I completely agree a drunk is far more likely to be an aggressor than someone who is stoned.
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    acrojock10 saidOn this subject...
    Does anyone actually smoke? ...I do, and am a very motivated, hard working individual.

    I think our war on drugs is such a ridiculous waste of money.

    What I am wondering about for someone who smokes marijuana is the danger from the smoke to the lungs and circulatory system.

    Are pot smokers concerned about this?
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    Jul 30, 2008 10:59 PM GMT
    To me alcohol is way more destructive and unhealthy. I smoke it every once in a great while. But, I tend to get the "munchies" and thats not very helpful to my workouts.

    But with everything BALANCE!
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    Jul 30, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
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    acrojock10 saidOn this subject...
    Does anyone actually smoke? ...I do, and am a very motivated, hard working individual.

    I think our war on drugs is such a ridiculous waste of money.

    What I am wondering about for someone who smokes marijuana is the danger from the smoke to the lungs and circulatory system.

    Are pot smokers concerned about this?


    As with any type of smoking it's dangerous and bad for you.

    But most pot users, don't smoke nearly as much compared with cigarettes. The worst part of smoking pot, is you inhale it deeper and hold it in your lungs longer.

    Also pot isn't physically addictive, only mentally to some people.

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    Jul 30, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
    Yes, which is why I smoke out of a water pipe/bong vs. joint/blunt/pipe. I very rarely don't smoke through water. I know there are risks involved in smoking; even through water. I don't smoke all the time though. I would imagine that I'm doing just as much harm going to a gay club and inhaling all of the 2nd hand smoke hanging in the air, or sitting in a traffic jam breathing in noxious fumes. (In Oklahoma you can still smoke in bars/clubs.)

    And brownies are the superior stoning agent! Just don't eat more than one! (And I have to make mine from my moms brownie recipe because I can't have the sugar!icon_sad.gif)
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    Jul 30, 2008 11:10 PM GMT
    Well, I've been blocked on this site, just becuase, at the time, I smoked pot. Not to name any names, but *cough*yalemarine*uncough*
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 30, 2008 11:18 PM GMT
    I think that marijuana shoud be decriminalized. Even though I don't smoke and have no intentions of picking up any of these poisonous, nasty habits I think the government should stop trying to legislate every aspect of our personal lives and leave the American people alone. This is a free republic isn't it? If marijuana is decriminalized, that will be one less narcotic drug being sold on the streets. I don't think marijuana is anymore dangerous than either liquor or tabacco. But these brain-dead tough on crime conservatives just don't understand that all the punitive measures in the world are not going to stop marijuana use.
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    Jul 30, 2008 11:22 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI think that marijuana shoud be decriminalized. Even though I don't smoke and have no intentions of picking up any of these poisonous, nasty habits I think the government should stop trying to legislate every aspect of our personal lives and leave the American people alone. This is a free republic isn't it? If marijuana is decriminalized, that will be one less narcotic drug being sold on the streets. I don't think marijuana is anymore dangerous than either liquor or tabacco. But these brain-dead tough on crime conservatives just don't understand that all the punitive measures in the world are not going to stop marijuana use.


    Well said!