Obama blowing off the troops??

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    Jul 30, 2008 8:45 PM GMT

    This is a letter from a guy that was there when barak arrived in Afghanistan...

    what do you think??


    Hello everyone,
    As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

    As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the
    opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

    So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

    I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

    If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

    In service,
    CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
    Battle Captain
    TF Wasatch
    American Soldier
    Don Herpen
    herpen@comast.net

    American by birth
    MARINE by the grace of God
    Semper Fi



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    Jul 30, 2008 8:54 PM GMT
    I've heard lots of things like this regarding how Obama is. As a democrat, I'm saddened by this. We need a democrat in office, but not someone who acts like that. I'm thinking of just not voting at all. The more I hear, the more I hate both of the candidates. icon_rolleyes.gif We are definitely in for a bumpy ride.

    *smacks Obama for being a bitch to our troops*
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    Jul 30, 2008 8:56 PM GMT
    If you don't like what he did then don't vote for him vote for McCain. It's that simple!

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    Jul 30, 2008 8:57 PM GMT
    It seems to be a load of crap. Read this article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/07/Military_blog.Obama_072508w/.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:00 PM GMT
    Don't believe everything you hear or read. It took me less than a minute to find out that the guy who wrote the e-mail admitted there were mistakes in it and that he was trying to recall it.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:04 PM GMT
    get off the obama HATER wagon.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:07 PM GMT
    Well, that's an objective tale if I ever heard one icon_rolleyes.gif.

    Porter's analysis seems based on conjecture. What if Obama had been advised not to shake the soldiers' hands prior to his arrival for policy reasons, safety precautions, etc.? What if he felt terribly ill that day? Because Obama has established a pattern of demonstrating great love for his people, I find Porter's assessment unconvincing. If anything, this letter suggests that he lacks fundamental reasoning skills and is an Obama hater.

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    Jul 30, 2008 9:07 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidIf you don't like what he did then don't vote for him vote for McCain. It's that simple!




    LOL, that in itself is very laughable. I have never, and will never, vote for a republican. Sorry, just my view. Don't take offense, everyone has opinions.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:08 PM GMT
    Apparently, the military had some strict rules about where he could go so as not to politicize his trip. The captain would to well to ask his superiors if his sense of things is the most accurate. There has been much said about this trip and those that were there are reporting that he did what he did in cooperation with the Pentagon's rules, just as McCain did in April.

    If someone doesn't want to believe the facts that are issued about this, that is unfortunate. There is no counter evidence presented outside of what I've stated, so the rest is conjecture.

    MSNBC News Anchor Andrea Mitchell with some facts on the trip
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    lissenup saidIt seems to be a load of crap. Read this article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/07/Military_blog.Obama_072508w/.


    Yes. And the fact that you can see that several RJers were just ecstatic to start throwing stones towards Obama can see why this sort of disinformation campaign works.

    Expect more from conservatives and ultrarightists as they try to distract Americans from the 500 billion dollar deficit mostly related to a "war" started on the basis of false pretenses.

    The other lesson is to research every charge, every innuendo to the source. This is going to be a huge effort by the power structure, and so it will take an equally large effort to stay properly informed.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:11 PM GMT
    The article I cited said:

    Officer: Part of anti-Obama e-mail was wrongThe Army refuted the accuracy of the account of the Obama visit.

    “These comments are inappropriate and factually incorrect,” Bagram spokesman Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green told the New York Daily News.

    Obama didn’t play basketball at Bagram or visit the Clamshell, she said.

    “We were a bit delayed ... as he took time to shake hands, speak to troops and pose for photographs,” Nielson-Green said.

    Opinion aside, Obama campaign officials cited factual errors in the e-mail. Porter said Obama had gone to play basketball; Obama aides said that during the trip he only played basketball in Kuwait, not during stops in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    An Obama campaign Web site, called “Fight the Smears,” labels it a “lie” that Obama refused to meet with the troops. It includes links to news stories and videos showing Obama interacting with crowds of service members as evidence.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    FactCheck.org debunked the inaccurate email from abroad:

    FactCheck.org

    "This is another viral e-mail falsehood. The author now says it's not true; the Army says it's not true; and video and photos show Obama shaking hands with troops and eating breakfast with them as well."
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:15 PM GMT
    lissenup saidIt seems to be a load of crap. Read this article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/07/Military_blog.Obama_072508w/.


    Just read it. I suspected--even before reading the article above--that Porter was some stupid, redneck douche who skipped college. Why do idiots get all the press? icon_evil.gificon_evil.gificon_evil.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
    I don't know whether this is factual or how much of it is factual, but I would like to point something out to all of you people saying not to jump on the "Obama-Hater Bandwagon".

    First, what bandwagon are you speaking of? Everyone seems to think he's some sort of God.

    And second, more importantly, I think it would be safe to say that there would have been a HELL of a lot more responses and angry people jumping to conclusions and assuming this message were true if it were written about a republican.

    I might even venture to say that a small percentage would be dissapointed if it were written about a republican and turned out not to be true.

    So don't lecture about any bandwagons.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    Interesting links. I take back my smack. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    I would have done the same research if it had been about McCain. I'd rather have a candidate be judged on his merits, and not on lies about him.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:20 PM GMT
    Rand saidI don't know whether this is factual or how much of it is factual, but I would like to point something out to all of you people saying not to jump on the "Obama-Hater Bandwagon".

    First, what bandwagon are you speaking of? Everyone seems to think he's some sort of God.

    And second, more importantly, I think it would be safe to say that there would have been a HELL of a lot more responses and angry people jumping to conclusions and assuming this message were true if it were written about a republican.



    So don't lecture about any bandwagons.


    Hmm. Do you think Obama is a mere mortal? icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:20 PM GMT
    Rand saidI don't know whether this is factual or how much of it is factual, but I would like to point something out to all of you people saying not to jump on the "Obama-Hater Bandwagon".

    First, what bandwagon are you speaking of? Everyone seems to think he's some sort of God.

    And second, more importantly, I think it would be safe to say that there would have been a HELL of a lot more responses and angry people jumping to conclusions and assuming this message were true if it were written about a republican.



    So don't lecture about any bandwagons.


    ill continue to lecture on band wagons lol. i think the primary's showed that ur statement is anything but true in regards to "everyone" thinking he is a God. further more please read any political thread in these forums and u will see that there are a ton of ppl who always have something to say that is not positive. and lastly, the reason i say hater is because a lot of the things ppl use against him are opinions that are not based on fact, and as with this letter, the things presented as fact, are false in a lot of cases. seems to me that that is a hater move, undermining somebody without facts just because you dont like him.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
    lissenup saidI would have done the same research if it had been about McCain. I'd rather have a candidate be judged on his merits, and not on lies about him.


    As would I, on both counts.

    As far as "Obama-hate bandwagons"...I've seen them loaded for bear in portions of places like Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska and eastern Colorado, where I was for several weeks in May and June. It's certainly not all the people out that way, not by a long shot, but I've seen the evidence, just as I saw the evidence that had Clinton been nominated, the far-righters were getting set for dirty tricks.

    And by dirty tricks I mean playing every disinformation card possible, playing every card that evokes racist or sexist impulses in some.

    And, by the way, I'm every bit as certain that the Democrats are capable of disinformation. And which is why I agree with lissenup that every issue needs to be investigated as close to its source as possible. For example, how else would we have found out that there were no WMDs.....despite the claims of "patriots" to the contrary.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    Rand saidFirst, what bandwagon are you speaking of? Everyone seems to think he's some sort of God.

    And second, more importantly, I think it would be safe to say that there would have been a HELL of a lot more responses and angry people jumping to conclusions and assuming this message were true if it were written about a republican.

    I might even venture to say that a small percentage would be dissapointed if it were written about a republican and turned out not to be true.


    First, I don't know anyone that thinks he is God. I find it amusing that republicans are using the fact that Obama inspires enthusiasm as a negative. Seems kind of desperate to me.

    Second, that is pure conjecture. My guess is that about the same number of democrats would have responded without doing any fact-checking. Both parties have members that will jump on anything that might further their cause. You would have been more effective to point out an instance (particularly on RealJock) where democrats actually did that rather than just guessing.
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    Jul 30, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    Smear Campaign! YAY!

    BlkMuscleGentHmm. Do you think Obama is a mere mortal? icon_wink.gif


    Of course he is, since there can only be one god! And that's McCain. icon_lol.gif

    And btw, Rand:

    RandI might even venture to say that a small percentage would be dissapointed if it were written about a republican and turned out not to be true.


    Fortunately, when it comes to Republicans, they rarely disappoint. icon_lol.gif

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080729/ap_on_go_co/stevens_indictment
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 30, 2008 9:34 PM GMT
    I'm not voting for Obama, but even I find this letter a serious stretch to be believed. Surely, no one would act that way towards the troops..especially with everyone watching and while running for Commander in Chief. Makes no sense what so ever. This letter is probably nothing but dirty politics.
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    Jul 30, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
    I think there is always more to the story than what the media portrays. I havent researched the letter but really had no feelings about it. Just wanted to see what you guys thought.

    I think as much as he traveles he cant see everyone or shake every hand.

    As we all know no one is perfect and I am sure the schedule he has to keep is a rigorous one. I think both candidates for president as always have their good and bad points but I still think Obama is the better choice of the two.
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    Jul 30, 2008 11:22 PM GMT
    Oh, for chrissakes...

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp
  • docmarvy

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    Jul 30, 2008 11:34 PM GMT
    hobronto saidOh, for chrissakes...

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp


    Yay! Snopes! Killer of internet B.S.