The secret gay agenda!

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    Jun 21, 2012 5:36 AM GMT



    Grand Rapids, Michigan (CNN) -- I wonder if black people would be still in the fields picking cotton today if the 13th Amendment -- the one abolishing slavery -- was placed on the ballot back in 1865.

    I wonder if Hillary Clinton would be at home baking cookies instead of serving as secretary of state if women's suffrage was put to a vote back in 1919.

    In other words, I wonder just how far along we would be as a society if the oppressive majority held all of the legislative and judicial power over the oppressed minority, essentially yanking the teeth out of Congress and the Supreme Court.

    I'm sure you've heard a lot about the gay agenda, but may not know what's in it. Here's what you do: Download a copy of the United States Constitution, read it. Everything the LGBT community wants is in there.

    Sounds like an oversimplification?

    It's not.

    TED.com: What you don't know about marriage

    There's not a single issue regarding the LGBT community that has been covered in the media or deliberated in courts that is counter to the articles of the Constitution. On the other hand, the fact that in 29 states it is legal to fire someone just because they're gay flies in the face of the 14th amendment, particularly the passage that says "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

    That may not be consistent with one's religion, and that's fine. But the Bible and the Constitution are not the same thing.

    I can't think of a single major civil rights victory that came by way of a general election and so I am not surprised that all 32 states that have voted on marriage equality, voted against marriage equality.

    It is human nature to resist change, especially change that may bring significant inconvenience to the vast majority of the people, those who are enjoying the spoils of the status quo. "If it's not broke, don't fix it," was never said by the community that was demanding their rights.

    It was always the mantra of those who liked their slaves; who liked their women barefoot and pregnant; who felt uncomfortable working next to someone with cerebral palsy; who get squeamish at the thought of two men falling in love.

    We elect members of Congress to lead us, not appease us. This is why our history has so many civil rights victories come by way of Congress or the courts and so few if any civil rights victories by election. When it gets right down to it, culturally we're like children who have to be forced to eat our vegetables.

    We like the Constitution when it can be used to endorse life the way we think it ought to be and we ignore it, or vote against it when the Bill of Rights or the various amendments challenge our world view or force us to make accommodations -- however big or small -- for others.

    This week election officials in the state of Washington announced that a referendum seeking to nullify the recently passed law legalizing same-sex marriage has qualified for the November ballot.

    Washington joins Maryland, Maine and Minnesota as the next round of states that will put the civil rights of some of their citizens to a vote. Early polls indicate that at least one of them will indeed vote in favor of marriage equality, which is a victory for the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

    Though it's a bit of a shame that the Constitution needs such victories and that history has taught us nothing.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/17/opinion/granderson-gay-agenda/?iref=obnetwork

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    Jun 21, 2012 6:12 AM GMT
    Great presention! Thanks
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    Jun 21, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    For the Flash impaired..

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    Jun 21, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    The big difference not covered here is that "marriage" is a civil legal contract between two people. So we are talking about a contract tho you may argue that it a right to enter into that contract. But is it a right to change every standing marriage contract in the US retroactively? Because changing the definition of marriage technically would nullify every standing marriage contract.
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    Jun 21, 2012 7:04 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidThe big difference not covered here is that "marriage" is a civil legal contract between two people. So we are talking about a contract tho you may argue that it a right to enter into that contract. But is it a right to change every standing marriage contract in the US retroactively? Because changing the definition of marriage technically would nullify every standing marriage contract.


    This has got to be the most insipid attempt at analysis that I have seen... aside from any broadcast from Fox News.

    It's about who can enter the contract, not what the contract is. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:05 PM GMT


    Alpha said, " But is it a right to change every standing marriage contract in the US retroactively?"

    Er, we have marriage for gays up here and no other marriage was changed because of it.

    " Because changing the definition of marriage technically would nullify every standing marriage contract."

    So explain why that hasn't happened up here or in any other country that has permitted gays to marry.

    (this should be interesting)
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    Good post OP. It reflects very much the way I've felt all along and why I rarely participate in the political discussions regarding having our human rights voted upon by the electorate. Because for me, the general public doesn't have a say in whether or not we should be considered as 100% human beings, which, for me, it is a foregone conclusion.

    xrichx saidFor the Flash impaired..

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    Thank you for that. I've noticed similar blank areas on other threads. Googling the fix now with your "flash" info.
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidThe big difference not covered here is that "marriage" is a civil legal contract between two people. So we are talking about a contract tho you may argue that it a right to enter into that contract. But is it a right to change every standing marriage contract in the US retroactively? Because changing the definition of marriage technically would nullify every standing marriage contract.


    Looks like someone wants to play devil's advocate here.
    This however was a stupid attempt at being clever.

    Obviously it is possible to change the definition of future contracts where previous contracts will be respected and be defined to the definition that was in place before any changes are made
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    Jun 21, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
    Good message. So, gay guys deserve equality if they have children.
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    Jun 21, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    amazing. icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 21, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
    I thought this was the gay agenda; "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

    If the declaration spells it out I don't understand how society continues to empower the general hate and reversal of belief of our society the founding fathers had. If society is chucking the Declaration of Independence then our central government is a farse. It's about inclusion regardless of difference.
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    Jun 21, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    i believe acceptance of gays as a social norms will lessen HIVicon_wink.gif
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    Jun 21, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
    THHHHEY'RE ONTO USSSSSS
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    Jun 24, 2012 11:17 PM GMT
    Great point!

  • Jun 24, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    Regarding marriage. I understand the reasons for marriage equality and what this means for couples who want to share their lives, have the right to make decisions should one person become ill or pass on, etc...however, I have spent many years listening to this (I came out at 14) and have yet to meet anyone - at all. After talking to many other gay and lesbian people, I find that they have the same experience. I'm not worried about gay marriage; I'm worried about my life as a gay person who is more than likely to wind up alone. That's more likely to be the reality rather than marriage. The gay media doesn't want that to get out, because their vision of gay people is that of affluence, post-doctorate education, million dollar condos, $500 sunglasses, perfect bodies, and successful careers and relationships. There ARE gay people who are on welfare, who have struggled with addictions, who never finished high school and are working low-wage jobs, and yes, many of us are very much alone. It scares the living shit out of many who are realizing that we aren't going to have kids, it certainly doesn't look like we're ever going to meet anyone, and so we have to figure out, by ourselves, how to navigate through the rest of our lives, by ourselves. Believe me, that 14-year-old who came out proud and with family support never dreamed that this would be my life.

    My point is this: if you support our equality to get married, then please support programs for gay and lesbians where we can socialize and develop those social skills that are missing from our lives. When I came out in September 1990, I had to go to youth group - there was no other option. I got to see what other gay boys and girls looked like, I learned how to talk to a group, I learned about respecting gay elders, I learned that there are gay people of every stripe, size and place in life. I love the internet, but the chat rooms are not a substitute for real life. I am seeing a lot of gay men becoming addicted to sites full of college-aged straight athletes who are posing nude for money; meanwhile these closeted gay men are thinking that's what they're going to find after coming out. Meanwhile, after that, they discover most of the gay men they see are a good 20 years older and 100 pounds heavier, and are devastated - they never developed any skills on how to talk to or relate to other gay men, or anything about character or substance. We've become so indifferent and rude towards each other that we now can set up our profiles to block out anyone who doesn't fit our unrealistic laundry lists of who is 'good enough' to consider talking to. So what we have are thousands of gay men in different cities saying nothing to each other while individually looking for that one in a billion, and never finding anything. I gave up because I got tired of meeting guys who are seeking something that is only in porn movies and the 'top 40 under 40!' in gay lifestyle magazines, suggesting we all have to be exceptionally affluent in order to be loved. We have NO clue how to approach a relationship when we never learned what to look for. We don't seek out partners based on what kind of parent or provider he might be. We seek them out based on what they look like and how close to us he lives.

    We have to figure out this stuff before marriage is going to make any difference. Otherwise it will be just another thing that will be unattainable for most except for a privileged few.
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    Toronto416 saidRegarding marriage. I understand the reasons for marriage equality and what this means for couples who want to share their lives, have the right to make decisions should one person become ill or pass on, etc...however, I have spent many years listening to this (I came out at 14) and have yet to meet anyone - at all. After talking to many other gay and lesbian people, I find that they have the same experience. I'm not worried about gay marriage; I'm worried about my life as a gay person who is more than likely to wind up alone. That's more likely to be the reality rather than marriage. The gay media doesn't want that to get out, because their vision of gay people is that of affluence, post-doctorate education, million dollar condos, $500 sunglasses, perfect bodies, and successful careers and relationships. There ARE gay people who are on welfare, who have struggled with addictions, who never finished high school and are working low-wage jobs, and yes, many of us are very much alone. It scares the living shit out of many who are realizing that we aren't going to have kids, it certainly doesn't look like we're ever going to meet anyone, and so we have to figure out, by ourselves, how to navigate through the rest of our lives, by ourselves. Believe me, that 14-year-old who came out proud and with family support never dreamed that this would be my life.

    My point is this: if you support our equality to get married, then please support programs for gay and lesbians where we can socialize and develop those social skills that are missing from our lives. When I came out in September 1990, I had to go to youth group - there was no other option. I got to see what other gay boys and girls looked like, I learned how to talk to a group, I learned about respecting gay elders, I learned that there are gay people of every stripe, size and place in life. I love the internet, but the chat rooms are not a substitute for real life. I am seeing a lot of gay men becoming addicted to sites full of college-aged straight athletes who are posing nude for money; meanwhile these closeted gay men are thinking that's what they're going to find after coming out. Meanwhile, after that, they discover most of the gay men they see are a good 20 years older and 100 pounds heavier, and are devastated - they never developed any skills on how to talk to or relate to other gay men, or anything about character or substance. We've become so indifferent and rude towards each other that we now can set up our profiles to block out anyone who doesn't fit our unrealistic laundry lists of who is 'good enough' to consider talking to. So what we have are thousands of gay men in different cities saying nothing to each other while individually looking for that one in a billion, and never finding anything. I gave up because I got tired of meeting guys who are seeking something that is only in porn movies and the 'top 40 under 40!' in gay lifestyle magazines, suggesting we all have to be exceptionally affluent in order to be loved. We have NO clue how to approach a relationship when we never learned what to look for. We don't seek out partners based on what kind of parent or provider he might be. We seek them out based on what they look like and how close to us he lives.

    We have to figure out this stuff before marriage is going to make any difference. Otherwise it will be just another thing that will be unattainable for most except for a privileged few.
    I'll sum it up for you in a short sentence..

    UNTIL GLBT are treated as equals in every aspect of law, you will ALWAYS be an underground fringe societal group. Period, end of statement.
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    Jun 25, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    Ppinto, very well written!!

    I total agree with you, so what can we do with a non-progressive society filled with apathetic non-thinking easily manipulated and lead people?

    My opinion, stop living up to what public opinion is. Change the "world view" of our society by changing yourselves. The Gay Community publically looks like on average a deviant sex crazed part of our society, don't believe me? Attend a pride event. Hollywood isn't our friend either producing shows like QAF.

    I am sorry guys if I offend any of you, but my experience has showed me that that the majority of gay men don't act like this and want nothing to do with this reputation or opinion.

    We want to be taken seriously, well we need to grow up too! We need to take our actions seriously and start asking ourselves is this what we want the population to think about us.

    You want to see some real change in our society, start changing your thinking, stop complaining and start helping out. Start making a difference in your community. Stop thinking about your next f-k and start thinking about the man you are and want to be. You want equality? You want respect? Earn it!

    Peace
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    Jun 25, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    Free_Society saidPpinto, very well written!!

    I total agree with you, so what can we do with a non-progressive society filled with apathetic non-thinking easily manipulated and lead people?

    My opinion, stop living up to what public opinion is. Change the "world view" of our society by changing yourselves. The Gay Community publically looks like on average a deviant sex crazed part of our society, don't believe me? Attend a pride event. Hollywood isn't our friend either producing shows like QAF.

    I am sorry guys if I offend any of you, but my experience has showed me that that the majority of gay men don't act like this and want nothing to do with this reputation or opinion.

    We want to be taken seriously, well we need to grow up too! We need to take our actions seriously and start asking ourselves is this what we want the population to think about us.

    You want to see some real change in our society, start changing your thinking, stop complaining and start helping out. Start making a difference in your community. Stop thinking about your next f-k and start thinking about the man you are and want to be. You want equality? You want respect? Earn it!

    Peace
    LMAO...........

    from your profile: "I don't have any pictures posted sorry, closeted here and not ready to make a difference as an openly gay/bi man."

    You might want to start in YOUR house..icon_rolleyes.gif
    Apparently you dont practice what you preach!
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    Jun 25, 2012 1:21 AM GMT
    Sorry I offended you Mark, not my intention. You said you read my profile, if you truly did you know then i respect your right to your opinion.

    To respond to your question, I do everyday. We all should work on ourselves!
    I truly care about public opinion and work to change the minds of my professional peers, family and friends everyday.

    I don't think I have the only answers but I believe if you exercise your right to think you can't help but agree that things need to change within the community first before it will ever change outside of it.

    Peace
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    Jun 25, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    Free_Society saidSorry I offended you Mark, not my intention. You said you read my profile, if you truly did you know then i respect your right to your opinion.

    To respond to your question, I do everyday. We all should work on ourselves!
    I truly care about public opinion and work to change the minds of my professional peers, family and friends everyday.

    I don't think I have the only answers but I believe if you exercise your right to think you can't help but agree that things need to change within the community first before it will ever change outside of it.

    Peace
    Did you read my post above.. There is one huge difference between myself and you. I have LIVED it, you still havent.icon_wink.gif
    Think about it.
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    Jun 25, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
    ayer2009 said...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator ...


    This old whore has slept around enough to know this is a bald faced lie.


    I'm sorry I couldn't resist going for the low hanging fruit.
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    Jun 25, 2012 1:42 AM GMT
    Very good point Mark!

    But what you fail to see is that the majority of gay/bi men which are closeted not out are not ashamed of being gay/bi but are at the mercy of the poor public image some of you out guys are creating.

    I am sorry but I don't think you suffer anymore than I do or are capable of making any more of a difference than I am, but again that only my opinion.

    At the end of the day we are both still men who obviously want the same thing equality and care about the world around us.