Gay Democrats are Unscrupulous

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    Jun 22, 2012 4:07 AM GMT
    Why else would a gay person vote for a political party that consistently takes advantage of their votes only to undermine the rights of gay people? For example, president Obama waited until 6 months before the election to come out in support of gay marriage, and then only after his Vice President pushed him under the bus.

    Gay people who vote Democrat degrade themselves and demean gay people generally. The democratic party takes the gay voters for granted and never comes thru with meaningful legislation when it really matters. Don't even pretend that getting rid of DADT counts, since a Democrat was the one who started it.
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    Jun 22, 2012 4:16 AM GMT
    Since you've told us why we shouldn't vote for Democrats, based on their gay record, please tell us if we should vote for Republicans, based on THEIR gay record, to keep things comparable.

    Please, no diversions into other topics. You framed this criticism in terms of gay issues, so let's stay on a gay focus only. Please contrast Republican positions on the issues you cited: gay marriage, gay rights, DADT, whether Republicans take gays for granted, and if gays demean themselves for voting for anti-gay Republicans (which is most of them).

    And since you specifically mentioned Obama, please compare how Romney would handle these gays issues, and why he's better on them than Obama. Because if you criticize Obama and Democrats on their gay stance, you must show us why Romney and the Democrats would be an improvement in these specific areas that you cite, so we can see why one side is better than the other.
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    Jun 22, 2012 4:23 AM GMT
    And a clarification about DADT: before DADT no gays could serve in the US armed forces at all. Everyone in uniform had to sign papers under oath, declaring that they were not homosexual. All homosexuals were either blocked from entering service, or given less than honorable discharges if their orientation was discovered after they had joined the service.

    Clinton's DADT Executive Order said that the military could no longer ask the question, and that the service members didn't have to tell on themselves. Clinton had to do this work-around because of Republican opposition in Congress to changing the basic law, that would have simply made being gay in uniform no longer a crime, as Clinton wanted. During DADT it remained illegal for gays to be in the military, thanks to the Republicans.

    And it's reported that the actual idea was proposed to Clinton by the future Republican Secretary of State, General Colin Powell. Republican revisionist history makes Clinton the villain here, when in fact Republicans opposed DADT but couldn't block the Executive Order, which was necessitated by their own refusal to let gays serve openly through a Congressional change to the US Code. Hence with DADT gays at least had some expectation that they could serve, albeit under limited circumstances, for the first time in US history, thanks to Democrat Bill Clinton.
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    Jun 22, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
    Is this satire?
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    Jun 22, 2012 5:57 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidIs this satire?



    No, merely a training exercise for potential recruits into the conservaposse. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 22, 2012 6:18 AM GMT
    Art Deco you are lucky you got to spend most of your life as a straight married daddy who was able to sail though the ranks of the Army with wives by your side. Since you have never really been one of us we can not expect you to have the ability to truly understand. Oh and the debut you owe your ex wives too, because you could never of done it without them. Or are you just unscrupulous?
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    Jun 22, 2012 9:32 AM GMT
    Nice try at a distraction thread, but no one is buying that one.

    Look at the votes in Congress on major gay issues. Republicans despise gay people (but are okay with picking up their unscrupulous votes). The Democrats have consistently demonstrated their support for the civil rights of gay people. They are not taking anyone for granted. They are doing the decent thing.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 22, 2012 11:16 AM GMT
    Why else?





    Because the Democrats are the only party in this country who have passed and made legislation that has helped our cause .... That's Why
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    Jun 22, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    GQjock saidWhy else?

    Because the Democrats are the only party in this country who have passed and made legislation that has helped our cause .... That's Why

    Billions have been spent on democratic candidates over the years and very little has been purchased for that amount of money. Lock step voting has really accomplished very little. Democrats just take it for granted that the "gay vote" can be trusted to go for democrats, imagine if the candidates had to come to us and pander a little bit. Instead you get these empty promises like the presidents late to the party "I support gay marriage" bullshit.

    Is Obama better than Romney? Hard to say, maybe after 3 years in the White House Romney too will throw the gays a meaningless bone.
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    Jun 22, 2012 1:32 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidIs Obama better than Romney? Hard to say, maybe after 3 years in the White House Romney too will throw the gays a meaningless bone.

    No, Romney has pledged, in writing, to unleash the hounds on us. You think the Christian fundamentalists, and the radical Republicans/Teabaggers if they control Congress, will let Romney forget that?

    And you contend it's "hard to say" if there's a difference between Obama and Romney regarding gays? Really??? That's being flat-out dishonest. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're just not being truthful.

    So you think repeal of DADT, and allowing gays to serve openly & legally in the US military for the first time in history, is a "meaningless bone"? The Democrats had to wage a battle royal in Congress to make it happen. Do you think Romney would have done that? Please, tell the truth.

    And Obama has done many other things for gays, and his Administration is still working on repeal of DOMA, against fierce Republican opposition. Obama also directed HHS to use Federal funding to compel hospitals to allow same-sex partners access to their sick loved-ones. And the list of pro-gay actions goes on, all of which are opposed by the majority of elected Republicans, especially the Congressional leadership. Sorry again, but your arguments just won't hold water.
  • ScottyM

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    Jun 24, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    I'm pretty much a hard core democrat and I have to say that I totally see where Smartmoney is coming from on this one.

    Democrats DO take the gay vote for granted.

    But unfortunately they do it because for far too long, in national elections, openly playing TO the gay community means losing the Christian, right leaning independent vote mostly in the heartland of the nation.

    So they play it safe because they also take for granted that the gay community generally isn't going to vote for a candidate Hell bent on taking away what rights we currently have...

    Until the Republicans start putting up gay friendly proposals I don't think we'll see the democrats spend a lot of time promoting a truly progressive gay rights agenda.

    And quite honestly, I think there are a lot of other, more important issues on the docket this year. I think Obama's move on gay marriage is more of a nod to the gay community that he's got our back, but he's going to focus on the bigger more imminent issues facing 100% of our nation, not just the percentage of us that are gay.

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    Jun 24, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidWhy else would a gay person vote for a political party that consistently takes advantage of their votes only to undermine the rights of gay people? For example, president Obama waited until 6 months before the election to come out in support of gay marriage, and then only after his Vice President pushed him under the bus.

    Gay people who vote Democrat degrade themselves and demean gay people generally. The democratic party takes the gay voters for granted and never comes thru with meaningful legislation when it really matters. Don't even pretend that getting rid of DADT counts, since a Democrat was the one who started it.


    Gay Republicans are proving themselves not only unscrupulous, but also uniformed and dishonest.

    If the subject was not gay rights but child welfare, this would be tantamount to Jerry Sandusky supporters complaining that someone who once stole a kid's lollipop then gave it back "takes advantage of children."

    Seriously, who in in their right mind would take seriously any Republican complaint about the Democratic record on gay rights?

    The bottom irrefutable line is this: Democrats have on the whole done more for gay rights than Republicans. This is irrefutable and inescapable. So it is obviously intellectually dishonest -- and transparently hypocritical -- for any Republican to criticize Democrats for "undermining gay rights" when their own party is far worse.

    However long Obama waited to come out for gay marriage and with whomever's push, the fact is that Obama supports gay freedom and Romney wants to ban it. No amount of right-wing spin is going to change that. To criticize the President for waiting and say nothing about Romney's open hatred of gays is dishonest hypocrisy.

    Screw taking the gay vote for granted: Republicans hate gays. And by the way, before DADT gays could not serve in the military at all. So thank you, "smart"hypocrite, for reminding us that it was a Democrat who made it possible for gays to serve in the military in the first place. Another example of how much better Democrats are on gay rights than the openly homophobic, anti-freedom Republican Party.
  • Webster666

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    Jun 24, 2012 4:26 AM GMT
    Oh, and what have the Republicans done for us, EVER ?
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    Jun 24, 2012 6:29 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidOh, and what have the Republicans done for us, EVER ?



    I had an American republican take me out for lunch yesterday.
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    Jun 24, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    The democrats take the gay vote for granted just as they do the black vote, the hispanic vote, the immigrant vote, the femanist vote and so on and so on. If you are one of these voters and dare speak out that you are not a democrat or see things differently suddenly you are an outcast and unscrupulous. It's so stupid of an arguement to try to make with a liberal
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    Jun 24, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidThe democrats take the gay vote for granted just as they do the black vote, the hispanic vote, the immigrant vote, the femanist vote and so on and so on. If you are one of these voters and dare speak out that you are not a democrat or see things differently suddenly you are an outcast and unscrupulous. It's so stupid of an arguement to try to make with a liberal
    As an independent. I find you unscrupulous... Try and use that 'spell-check' son, I know its tough but you can do it!
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    Jun 24, 2012 7:49 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidThe democrats take the gay vote for granted just as they do the black vote, the hispanic vote, the immigrant vote, the femanist vote and so on and so on. If you are one of these voters and dare speak out that you are not a democrat or see things differently suddenly you are an outcast and unscrupulous. It's so stupid of an arguement to try to make with a liberal


    +1000
  • jock_1

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    Jun 26, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    Finding out the democrats stole the senate seat in our most recent recall election in senate district seat 21 in Racine county. Thousands of voter irregularities in the city of Racine.

    That race still hasnt been called for the demo-cheats yet
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    Jun 26, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    smartmoney said... Don't even pretend that getting rid of DADT counts, since a Democrat was the one who started it.
    You seem to have forgotten that Billary put DADT in place to prevent an all out ban on gays in the military. It was the best thing he could do at the time, since him and Hillary used to hang out at Backstreet (a gay bar) in Little Rock to watch drag shows before he became the President.