My Dad just compared gays to old people getting their licenses taken away.

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    Jun 23, 2012 1:34 AM GMT
    He claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.
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    Jun 23, 2012 1:39 AM GMT
    Lol old people get their licenses taken away? Last time I checked, the Colonel was driving around is his Lexus all around Florida.
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    Jun 23, 2012 1:46 AM GMT
    Wow... Being a gay man doesn't put the safety of others at risk though. Elderly drivers can be dangerous, not all of them, but a decent amount. Dude gays should have equal rights. Any other situation is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The U.S. needs to wake the fuck up and give homosexuals what they deserve, equality.
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    Jun 23, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    msuNtx saidHe claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.

    A poor analogy your father makes. As US States make clear (for non-US members, drivers licenses are issued by the States, not the Federal government), driving is a privilege, not a right. Your father is equating being gay with a granted privilege, which can be denied as a State so chooses. He also appears to be stating that all discrimination is OK, just live with it.

    Do you live at home? Does you family know you're gay?
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    Jun 23, 2012 2:04 AM GMT
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    msuNtx saidHe claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.

    A poor analogy your father makes. As States make clear, driving is a privilege, not a right. Your father is equating being gay with a granted privilege, which can be denied as the State so chooses.

    Do you live at home? Does you family know you're gay?


    Why are you going to invite him to live at the Wilton Manor harem?

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    Jun 23, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    dontknowwhy saidLol old people get their licenses taken away? Last time I checked, the Colonel was driving around is his Lexus all around Florida.
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    Jun 23, 2012 2:29 AM GMT
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    msuNtx saidHe claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.

    A poor analogy your father makes. As US States make clear (for non-US members, drivers licenses are issued by the States, not the Federal government), driving is a privilege, not a right. Your father is equating being gay with a granted privilege, which can be denied as a State so chooses. He also appears to be stating that all discrimination is OK, just live with it.

    Do you live at home? Does you family know you're gay?


    Don't live at home and yes he does know I am gay which made his statement more shocking .
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    Jun 23, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
    msuNtx said
    Art_Deco saidDo you live at home? Does you family know you're gay?

    Don't live at home and yes he does know I am gay which made his statement more shocking .

    Perhaps good you're not at home at present. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for you to hear his words. In many instances the best case you can make to refute his opinions, for yourself and all gays, is to be successful in your studies and your future career. My thoughts go with you.
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    Jun 23, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
    Bide your time. And the next time your father bitches....pounce. "Life isnt fair, dad. Old people get their licenses taken away. You dont hear them complaining."

    And actually....they DO complain. Your dad is wrong all over the place.
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    Jun 23, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    My grandmother voluntarily turned in her driver's license at 94. About the same age we'd all probably turn in our gay cards.
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    Jun 23, 2012 3:03 AM GMT
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    Jun 23, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    Driving is a privilege, not a right.

    Human rights are not just when they are just for the privileged.

    And you of tender years
    Can't know the fears
    That your elders grew by
    And so please help
    Them with your youth
    They seek the truth
    Before they can die

    Teach your parents well

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    Jun 23, 2012 3:19 AM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidBide your time. And the next time your father bitches....pounce. "Life isnt fair, dad. Old people get their licenses taken away. You dont hear them complaining."

    And actually....they DO complain. Your dad is wrong all over the place.



    Ohh trust me I know. My great grandmother flipped shit when the state of Michigan took it away at age 98. My Dad is just a butt head sometimes and what shocks me even more is he is a pilot for SW, he works with many many gay flight attendants on a daily basis. You would think with a gay son, working with other gay individuals he would learn to either a) accept the lifestyle or b) not be so hateful about it even if he doesn't agree with it.
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    Jun 23, 2012 5:19 AM GMT
    Thank your dad for making you want to be a better man (not being like him).
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    Jun 23, 2012 5:21 AM GMT
    MolaMola saidThank your dad for making you want to be a better man (not being like him).
    + 1 million!
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    Jun 23, 2012 5:39 AM GMT
    I mean he's probably somewhat comfortable with gay people just because they are a part of his life, between you and his coworkers, but he still can't find a way to accept it. It seems like everyone who's against gays is always narrow minded and refuses to consider any options/ideas other than the ones they already have. So I get where he's coming from by not being able to accept it, I just completely disagree and don't understand why he can't be more accepting.

    And I definitely don't understand how he could say that, think that, or even find a way to rationalize that comparison in his own head...I mean really??

    Also, just because I don't know much about this. Can they simply take someone's license away based on age alone or do they see the age and test the individual to evaluate them again before taking it?
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    Jun 23, 2012 6:12 AM GMT
    Is your dad a member of Mensa?
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    Jun 23, 2012 6:19 AM GMT
    msuNtx saidHe claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.


    I wouldn't say he's an idiot, I mean the man raised you, and does deserve some ounce of respect. I think he's simply ignorant of the struggle. " If you always have water, then you'll never get thirsty" sort of speak.

    Usually when people tell me things like this I cignore them because i know they either don't have all the facts or they simply don't understand the struggle lol
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    Jun 23, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    Not to be critical of someone I've never met, but it sounds like your dad has fallen victim to the flawed logic of every single anti-gay argument, anti-race, anti-anything another person would self-identify with.

    Saying that they "just have to get over it" assumes that someone is in charge. In a broader and much more general context, the state approaches issues like marriage by asking "Should we legalized gay marriage?" instead of asking "Should gay marriage be legal?" The former includes 'we' and asks if that group should award some other group some privilege, therefore implying their authority on the matter.

    I do agree that gays need to know how to handle discrimination. Maybe ignorance is a better word -- but not ignorance from the state or any other public institution. When your a member of a population under intense scrutiny from well-funded organizations who have incredible influence over how people think, it helps to have a thick skin.

    On that note, I have a question: I was always taught to treat ignorance with kindness. I look at the more recent progress of the gay rights movement and don't see that kindness -- but it's working like a damn. If you could describe the ideal attitude of the gay rights movement going forward, what would it be? Kindness? Leading by example (i.e., fuck other people, I'm gay and I'm going to kick ass at life whether you like it or not)? Aggressiveness?

    Personally, I think it would be amazing to see more gay families identify themselves and show the world that they are as strong as any other family. I look back at Stonewall, and it spurred the purpose of early gay pride parades -- to show people that sex (literally) with the same sex wasn't as bizarre as the public thought it was..... okay let's be honest -- they all know it's better. But now that notion is widely accepted enough that you can find your way to an amazing group of friends and hopefully family who see past that. What is the next most important thing that the gay community needs to show the world and how should they do it?
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    Jun 23, 2012 7:56 AM GMT
    msuNtx saidHe claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.


    Hahaha that sounds exactly like my dad, super conservative with opinions that come out of nowhere and often don't make sense. Gotta love it
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    Jun 23, 2012 1:19 PM GMT
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    msuNtx saidHe claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.


    I wouldn't say he's an idiot, I mean the man raised you, and does deserve some ounce of respect. I think he's simply ignorant of the struggle. " If you always have water, then you'll never get thirsty" sort of speak.

    Usually when people tell me things like this I cignore them because i know they either don't have all the facts or they simply don't understand the struggle lol


    That kind of thinking is idiotic for a man that has preached to me acceptance of others and how family is the most important thing in your life and how you "always need to support your family members". He will come around and I know this, but I am deathly afraid he is becoming like my older uncles who are your typical religious hypocrites.
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    Jun 23, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidHe claimed that life isn't fair and that you don't see old people getting upset when the state takes away their drivers licenses (which is discrimination). Discrimination exists and that gay people need to just get over it as it isn't natural and Americans will never accept it blah blah blah,

    This all stemmed from a gay activist flipping off President Reagan's photo in the White House.

    I honestly think my Dad is a freaking idiot. Very sad to see my Dads true feelings.


    1. That's ridiculous. His irrational thought processes are kinda disturbing. No one should ever advocate discrimination.

    2. I don't understand why a gay activist would flip off the picture of a dead president who was in office when gay rights was an unreachable goal. Furthermore, today's Republicans have very little in common with Reagan--despite their massive hard on for him. Reagan raised taxes multiple times, knew how to communicate without being inflammatory, and was willing to compromise/work with Democrats to get legislation accomplished. The vast majority of today's Republicans aren't willing to do that.

    Sorry about you're dad. It might just take him a little time to come around. Not everyone is ok with it right away.
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    Jun 23, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
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    redsoxfan791 saidI don't understand why a gay activist would flip off the picture of a dead president who was in office when gay rights was an unreachable goal.

    If they were unreachable, it is precisely because of the actions of Reagan and the people who supported him.

    Weren't you alive then? Have you no memory?

    Edit: No, I see you were just a kid then. Learn your history.

    No doubt you're also mindful of Reagan's disastrous response to the initial AIDS crisis in the 1980s, which even he later admitted was a mistake. I'd flip off Reagan on that one, too.

    And perhaps that activist lost someone to AIDS during that period and afterwards, when for years a strong US governmental response to HIV was lacking. When the best that members of Reagan's party could suggest was to round up gays and quarantine them in concentration camps (no hyperbole on my part, that was actually proposed by Republican elected officials), or to let gays die off since HIV/AIDS was God's divine punishment for our wicked lifestyle. In fact, there are still right-wingers today who spout those ideas.
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    Jun 23, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    A lot of the U.S. already has accepted it.

    I hope he is aware of that.

    I tihnk he's just mad his little boy likes big, juicy, fat cocks.
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    Jun 23, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    Tell him being gay never caused anyone to drive 3 miles the wrong way down the Gulf Freeway.