Washington Post article on Bain completely destroyed. Another failure.

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    Jun 23, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
    The desperation continues from the left. This is the same Washington Post that ran a multi-column article on Romney's high school incident on page 1 above the fold, giving that story more emphasis than the national security leaks or the Fast & Furious cover-ups.

    This is their latest attempt, which would impress only the most uninformed. Maybe the Obama Campaign Headquarters is backing off the Bain attacks because of advice form Pres Clinton, Cory Booker, and Gov Rendell. They don't work, but they are not giving up and having a reelection surrogate, the Washington Post try and take up the slack.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/romneys-bain-capital-invested-in-companies-that-moved-jobs-overseas/2012/06/21/gJQAsD9ptV_print.html

    Read the links to see how James Pethokoukis makes mincemeat out of the pathetic piece. Even before getting into the details, it should be apparent that the anecdotal stories on a few cherry picked companies lacked specifics. They tried the same thing with GST, and it completely backfired. See the link at the bottom of this post for that one.

    "AEI's Pethokoukis Slices, Dices, and Destroys WaPo's Romney-Outsourcing Story."
    "Just sit back and enjoy the pummeling."

    Sorry Tom Hamburger. Better luck next time.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/06/22/aeis-pethokoukis-slices-dices-and-destroys-wapos-romney-outsourcing-stor

    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/sorry-washington-post-romney-didnt-get-rich-moving-u-s-jobs-overseas/

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    This isn't the first time the left tactic backfired. This time it was from Team Obama, so it was even more amusing.

    Obama ad against Romney regarding GST Steel - Truth shows the exact opposite of Team Obama intent
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2385839
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
    Something definitely smells of desperation and the Obama campaign isn't missing a trick
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:40 AM GMT
    Bain plane lands near Romney retreat

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/23/bain-plane-lands-near-romney-retreat/
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    Jun 24, 2012 4:52 AM GMT
    TropicalMark saidBain plane lands near Romney retreat

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/23/bain-plane-lands-near-romney-retreat/
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    Jun 24, 2012 11:25 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidSomething definitely smells of desperation and the Obama campaign isn't missing a trick

    It also shows why so many of the left are so highly uninformed. The people I know on the center or right read material from multiple sources and know arguments and counter-arguments. Those on the left avoid right leaning and impartial sources and stay with the left leaning or far left sources.

    The Washington Post article and the thread containing that and the comments agreeing with the article illustrate the point. Even without detailed fact checking presented in the article cited above in this thread, a critical reader would see issues or at the least question the article. They would see a handful of companies selected and question if these were typical examples, or a few cherry picked. They would also see the sloppy, imprecise descriptions of the companies cited. Many readers are not critical thinkers either because of their political orientation blinding them or their lack of analytical abilities, so getting spoon-fed partisan and false information reinforces their thinking.

    Most voters on either side will not go in depth to cut through articles like this one. Explains the need for videos and slogans. It also suggests the strategy of the Obama team and its surrogates such as the Post. Throw mud even if it is false because some will stick. The battle must be both factual to refute the lies as well as in the ditches throwing mud back. But with Obama's performance, the economy, the broken promises, the lies, and the divisiveness, the mud doesn't have to be anything but the truth.
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidBain plane lands near Romney retreat

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/23/bain-plane-lands-near-romney-retreat/
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidI wouldnt touch Utah with your dick!

    Been there and hated it. sorry..



    I'm sure the people of Utah are devastated to hear this icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 24, 2012 3:46 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidI wouldnt touch Utah with your dick!

    Been there and hated it. sorry..



    I'm sure the people of Utah are devastated to hear this icon_rolleyes.gif


    One of the most beautiful states in the country if you stay off of the interstates. And some of the nicest people I've ever met.

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    TropicalMark saidI wouldnt touch Utah with your dick!

    Been there and hated it. sorry..



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    You really think I care?
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    Jun 24, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidSomething definitely smells of desperation and the Obama campaign isn't missing a trick


    This would also be why the readership from the Washington Post has been eroding. Just as Politico destroyed its credibility last summer and has since been hemorrhaging readers.
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    Jun 24, 2012 5:00 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidI wouldnt touch Utah with your dick!

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    You really think I care?


    Actually, I do. It seems that all self aggrandizing people, like you, labor under the misguided idea that anyone gives a shit what you think.

    Are you too damn stupid to know when someone is yanking your chain ?

    The People of Utah dodged the bullet on that one! We can all rest safe in the knowledge that you hated us so much that you chose to bless some other suckers with the greatness of your presence!
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    Jun 24, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidSomething definitely smells of desperation and the Obama campaign isn't missing a trick


    This would also be why the readership from the Washington Post has been eroding. Just as Politico destroyed its credibility last summer and has since been hemorrhaging readers.

    Yup, there are enough fair and balanced sources that the partisan ones are hurting. I still look at them to see their lines of attack, but it is really becoming not much of a challenge to debunk them completely. Becomes increasingly difficult to push a failed ideology when the examples are obvious in several countries, including the US.
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    Jun 25, 2012 12:27 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark saidI wouldnt touch Utah with your dick!

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    I'm sure the people of Utah are devastated to hear this icon_rolleyes.gif
    You really think I care?


    Actually, I do. It seems that all self aggrandizing people, like you, labor under the misguided idea that anyone gives a shit what you think.

    Are you too damn stupid to know when someone is yanking your chain ?

    The People of Utah dodged the bullet on that one! We can all rest safe in the knowledge that you hated us so much that you chose to bless some other suckers with the greatness of your presence!
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  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 25, 2012 1:26 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidThe desperation continues from the left. This is the same Washington Post that ran a multi-column article on Romney's high school incident on page 1 above the fold, giving that story more emphasis than the national security leaks or the Fast & Furious cover-ups.

    This is their latest attempt, which would impress only the most uninformed. Maybe the Obama Campaign Headquarters is backing off the Bain attacks because of advice form Pres Clinton, Cory Booker, and Gov Rendell. They don't work, but they are not giving up and having a reelection surrogate, the Washington Post try and take up the slack.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/romneys-bain-capital-invested-in-companies-that-moved-jobs-overseas/2012/06/21/gJQAsD9ptV_print.html

    Read the links to see how James Pethokoukis makes mincemeat out of the pathetic piece. Even before getting into the details, it should be apparent that the anecdotal stories on a few cherry picked companies lacked specifics. They tried the same thing with GST, and it completely backfired. See the link at the bottom of this post for that one.

    "AEI's Pethokoukis Slices, Dices, and Destroys WaPo's Romney-Outsourcing Story."
    "Just sit back and enjoy the pummeling."

    Sorry Tom Hamburger. Better luck next time.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/06/22/aeis-pethokoukis-slices-dices-and-destroys-wapos-romney-outsourcing-stor

    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/sorry-washington-post-romney-didnt-get-rich-moving-u-s-jobs-overseas/

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    This isn't the first time the left tactic backfired. This time it was from Team Obama, so it was even more amusing.

    Obama ad against Romney regarding GST Steel - Truth shows the exact opposite of Team Obama intent
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2385839


    Hmmm, which has more credibility, an internationally-respected newspaper that's been publishing for more than a century and has won 47 Pulitzer Prizes, or a right-wing blogger with no sources or attribution?
    I'll say the Washington Post.

    I also found this sentence from the Post article quite telling:
    "Romney campaign officials repeatedly declined requests to comment on Bain’s record of investing in outsourcing firms during the Romney era."
    If they have not shipped jobs overseas, they would have said so.
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    Jun 25, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidHmmm, which has more credibility, an internationally-respected newspaper that's been publishing for more than a century and has won 47 Pulitzer Prizes, or a right-wing blogger with no sources or attribution?
    I'll say the Washington Post.

    I also found this sentence from the Post article quite telling:
    "Romney campaign officials repeatedly declined requests to comment on Bain’s record of investing in outsourcing firms during the Romney era."
    If they have not shipped jobs overseas, they would have said so.

    Fail again.

    As far as the Washington Post history, it is impressive, but that does not automatically convey journalistic integrity and competence to each of their columnists. NBC News used to have a good reputation also. At least the Post has a fact checker, see below.

    1. The credentials of James Pethokoukis
    The Money & Politics columnist-blogger for the American Enterprise Institute. Previously, he was the Washington columnist for Reuters Breakingviews. Pethokoukis has written for many publications including USNews & World Report, The New York Times, The Weekly Standard, Commentary, USA Today, and Investor's Business Daily. Pethokoukis is also an official CNBC contributor. In addition, he has appeared numerous times on MSNBC, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, The McLaughlin Group, CNN, and Nightly Business Report on PBS. A graduate of Northwestern University and the Medill School of Journalism, Pethokoukis is a 2002 Jeopardy! champion.

    2. Theme of the article disputed by Washington Post's own fact checker
    4 Pinocchios for Obama’s newest anti-Romney ad (Same theme as the article)
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-obamas-newest-anti-romney-ad/2012/06/20/gJQAGux6qV_blog.html

    3. But they couldn't quite bring themselves to apply the same critique to Hamburger, but it's obvious
    http://www.aei-ideas.org/author/jpethokoukis/
    Washington Post fact checker says Obama is wrong to accuse Romney of shipping jobs overseas — but lets the WaPo itself off the hook.

    4. Romney campaign has responded
    Whether there were sincere requests for them to comment prior to the article's publication is questionable. Given the overall falsehoods of the article, I wouldn't trust Hamburger's word here either.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/24/romney-camp-fights-claims-shipping-jobs-overseas/
    The Obama and Romney campaigns cranked up their fight Sunday over claims that the Republican presidential candidate's former company helped fuel a wave of outsourcing and off-shoring that sent U.S. jobs overseas.
    The Obama campaign had already latched onto the narrative that Romney's Bain Capital contributed to the country's outsourcing shift, but a Washington Post story Friday on that very topic has since been employed as a bludgeon by team Obama.

    After releasing a web video and hosting a conference call Friday -- highlighting the story and accusing Romney of shipping jobs overseas -- the campaign pushed out another video Sunday declaring: "America doesn't need an outsourcing pioneer in the Oval Office."

    But the Romney campaign is fighting back, noting that the Washington Post's resident fact-checker challenged some of the claims in the Washington Post's own story. Plus Romney advisers claim the Post -- and the Obama campaign -- are exaggerating what Bain Capital actually did.

    "No American jobs were shipped overseas in any of the Washington Post examples that were cited by the Obama campaign," Romney adviser Eric Fehrnstrom said on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday.


    Under a headline that declared, "Romney's Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas," the Post detailed how Bain had invested in certain companies that provided outsourcing services like call centers. It also detailed how Bain went into business with companies that produced products overseas.

    But the Romney campaign has pointed out two problems.

    Outsourcing, in which services like customer service are taken out-of-house, and off-shoring, in which jobs are sent overseas, are two different things. The Post story, the Romney camp suggests, conflated the two.

    "There were companies that Bain invested in that did engage in outsourcing, a lot of companies do, obviously. That's an economic model that makes sense," Romney adviser Ed Gillespie said on CNN's "State of the Union," decrying the story as "baseless."

    The Romney campaign also complains that going into business with a company that creates jobs overseas is not the same as going into business with a company that moves U.S. jobs overseas.

    "The jobs that were cited ... were created to support exports overseas," Fehrnstrom said.

    "When companies like Coca-Cola, for example, build a bottling plant in China so they can sell more soft drinks to the Chinese, we should be applauding that, because that type of entrance into new markets is what makes our companies stronger."

    Stephanie Cutter, deputy Obama campaign manager, questioned the claim on the same program.

    "Are you really saying that in none of the dozens of Bain deals that Mitt Romney was involved in, not one American job got sent overseas?" she asked.

    And in what by any standard was a stretch, she asserted that Romney "actually created the practice of outsourcing American jobs overseas to places like China and India."

    The Romney campaign also drew attention Sunday to a fact-check column from The Washington Post itself, which was published shortly before the Post's outsourcing article ran.

    That column debunked an earlier Obama ad that slammed Romney for shipping jobs overseas.

    "Regarding the outsourcing claims, we have frowned on these before," the column said, noting that two of the companies in question were in business with Bain when Romney had stepped down to run the Olympics but hadn't sold his shares. Both those companies were cited in the Post's story on Friday -- SMTC Manufacturing and Modus Media.

    Though Modus Media reportedly specialized in helping other firms outsource, the fact-check noted that it is "not an example of shipping jobs overseas."