I been drinking way too much!

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    Jul 31, 2008 8:52 PM GMT
    So I just turned 21 about a month ago and of course I been going many nights drinking large amounts of alcohol back to back. I think its finally catching up to me cause this morning I woke up and looked really really bad and my stomach felt like it was eaten out by some alien trapped inside. I also noticed all my gains going away from the gym and I just have very little enthusiasm to lift as I was before.

    Anyone know where the limit of drinking is? As far as how many drinks you can have a week and still lead a healthy life? I really don't want myself to go down the path of alcoholism like my father and I don't want no beer gut.
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    Jul 31, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    You just answered your own question. You feel like shit, it's impacting your life, and you worry about turning out like your dad. Listen to your body. Sounds like it says to moderate things a bit.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:09 PM GMT
    when you're waking up every morning feeling like shit, then that's probably a sign that it's too much. Alcoholism can be hereditary. If you're already feeling like there is a problem now (at 21), you may want to get a handle on it and nip it in the bud now before it progresses to a larger problem. Alcoholism is a disease.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidWhy can't you just simply stop? What's the point of doing it anyway?


    I agree. It made me sick so I quit well over 8 years ago. I think many people drink to "fit in". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:20 PM GMT
    jlk7jester saidSo I just turned 21 about a month ago and of course I been going many nights drinking large amounts of alcohol back to back. I think its finally catching up to me cause this morning I woke up and looked really really bad and my stomach felt like it was eaten out by some alien trapped inside. I also noticed all my gains going away from the gym and I just have very little enthusiasm to lift as I was before.

    Anyone know where the limit of drinking is? As far as how many drinks you can have a week and still lead a healthy life? I really don't want myself to go down the path of alcoholism like my father and I don't want no beer gut.


    You can either do all your drinking now and have to stop out of sheer survival and for medical reasons, or you can reel it in and enjoy a lifetime of responsible alcohol enjoyment.

    Do you want to be 35 years old and unable to drink when everyone around you is getting a responsible buzz on? Think of all the weddings, Christmas parties, concerts, and happy hours you'll either miss or sit bored at.

    Moderate. Now.

    :-)
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:25 PM GMT
    ^^^^^ Seriously!

    What ever happened to balance and moderation?! It seems like it's always all or nothing mentality in America.

    Having a "few" drinks is fun and relaxing.

    And don't want to hear all the self righteous people, bla bla bla, I don't need to have a drink to have fun. Well great for you! Go suck on a soy pop.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
    sdn8 said^^^^^ Seriously!

    What ever happened to balance and moderation?! It seems like it's always all or nothing mentality in America.

    Having a "few" drinks is fun and relaxing.

    And don't want to hear all the self righteous people, bla bla bla, I don't need to have a drink to have fun. Well great for you! Go suck on a soy pop.


    CHEERS! ;-)
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    Look at it this way, a drink or two is cool, a drunk is anything but cool. You want to be cool? Then stop with the over drinking. Drunks aren't pretty, and they usually have a beer belly.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:37 PM GMT
    If you have alcoholics in your family tree then you have to be especially careful. I rarely have more than 2 drinks when I drink socially. After that I switch to non-alcoholic beverages. I also try to dance as much as possible at bars. If I am just standing around getting bored and restless then I will more likely drink.

    Alcohol is also high in calories, and often gives people the munchies so they snack more on junk food. A great way to get into lousy shape.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:38 PM GMT
    sdn8 said^^^^^ Seriously!

    What ever happened to balance and moderation?! It seems like it's always all or nothing mentality in America.


    HEY! How did the rest of America get dragged in on this? ...ONE GUY drinks too much and you have ALL of America binging?

    Jesterdude, if you have an alcoholic father, you better watch yourself!
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:41 PM GMT
    Caslon5000 said
    sdn8 said^^^^^ Seriously!

    What ever happened to balance and moderation?! It seems like it's always all or nothing mentality in America.


    HEY! How did the rest of America get dragged in on this? ...ONE GUY drinks too much and you have ALL of America binging?

    Jesterdude, if you have an alcoholic father, you better watch yourself!


    He's got a point. The last 7 years have conditioned most Americans to think in terms of black and white. Intellectual laziness is encouraged. And it all starts at the top, if you catch my drift.

    Plus, the whole binge=>rehab=>binge=>rehab thing is so "in" right now. Jeez.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    Caslon5000 said
    sdn8 said^^^^^ Seriously!

    HEY! How did the rest of America get dragged in on this? ...ONE GUY drinks too much and you have ALL of America binging?



    Wasn't just referring to alcohol. It's the mentality of all or nothing. Starvation diets, banning weed, and whatever else we aren't responsible enough to make our own adult choices about.

    I am not sure whether or not is has a correlation with our desire to always have a quick fix for something. Pills or surgery. It just seems we've become very lazy people, without self control.

    End rant.

    And Caslon, I never maid eye contact with you, since I am under a 1k posts and all.

    But in my defense I've been a lurker for quite some time.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    As someone who enjoys a a good microbrew or two with friends, I hate to say this, but if I'd written everything you just wrote, I think I would decide to stop drinking altogether, and now.

    Especially worrisome is the family history of alcoholism. It will be much easier for you to decide to not make alcohol a part of your life right now than it will be at 40 or 50, when you've had alcohol as a part of your life and social scene for decades.

    And if you keep drinking the way you've described, you'll face serious health consequences as early as your late 20s. In very rare cases people have died of cirrhosis of the liver or other alcohol-related health problems in their 20s.

    I enjoy a few drinks myself, so I'm not one to be a Puritan (trust me) and say people shouldn't drink. But I'm also a very moderate drinker who doesn't like to get drunk and has no family history of alcoholism. Your circumstances put you in danger.

    If you're able to have two or three drinks and then stop for the night, you should be alright. But if you're one of those people who can't stop drinking once you start, it's best that you decide to be a non-drinker, for your own good.
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    Jul 31, 2008 9:53 PM GMT
    sdn8 said
    Caslon5000 said
    sdn8 said^^^^^ Seriously!

    HEY! How did the rest of America get dragged in on this? ...ONE GUY drinks too much and you have ALL of America binging?



    Wasn't just referring to alcohol. It's the mentality of all or nothing.


    I am so sorry now that I put in that second sentence. I didnt see how it would derail the point.

    But let me point out an example of the "all or nothing" mentality. It is really rather humorous once you notice it. Here it is: YOU describing ALL OF AMERICA AS ALL OR NOTHING. Whatever happened to moderation? Why couldnt this guy's personal problem stay personal and not become a smear on ALL of America. I dont over drink. Do you overdrink? Then it's not ALL of fucking America, is it?!?!



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    Jul 31, 2008 9:58 PM GMT
    As far as fitness goes... There's no specific number of drinks you can, or can't, have. It's the same as your food intake. An alcoholic drink has calories, just like anything else you ingest. So if you want to be able to drink, while maintaining a diet.. you just have to factor the drinks, into your diet. It's a big reason so many people choose to drink light beer. Less calories.

    And the RJ guys are right, man. Drinking in moderation is part of life for A LOT of people. You don't have wear an alcohol chastity belt. Just try not to overdo it. ;) There are a lot of good reasons not to get in over your head when it comes to drinking.
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:06 PM GMT
    AQUARIUS (Me and so Tru)
    Drinking style
    Aquarius and drinking don’t go together that well (except for water, that is). They have an innate tendency toward know-it-allism, and if they get an idea while sizzled, they’re more stubborn than a stain or a stone. If they’re throwing a party or organizing an outing, however, they’re too preoccupied with their duties to get combative * and they make perfectly charming drunks in that case. Fortunately, they’re usually capital drink-nursers. They also make the best designated drivers (if you can get them before they start raising their wrist to go home by themselves and have you catch a cab.)
    Aquarius is fascinated by drunk people and capable of holding interesting conversations with soused strangers while sober.

    ARIES
    Drinking style
    Impulsive Aries people like to party and sometimes don’t know when to call it a night. Their competitive streak makes them prone to closing-time shot contests. They’re sloppy, fun drunks, and they get mighty flirty after a couple tipples. Getting Aries people drunk is a good way to get what you want out of them, should other methods fail.
    Aries can become bellicose when blotto, but they will assume that whatever happened should be forgiven (if not forgotten) by sunrise. They can be counted on to do the same for you — so long as you haven’t gone and done anything really horrible to them last night, you sneaky Gemini.

    TAURUS
    Drinking style
    Taurus prefers to drink at a leisurely pace, aiming for a mellow glow rather than a full-on zonk. Since a truly intoxicated Taurus is a one-person stampede, the kind of bull-in-a-china-shop inebriate who spills red wine on white carpets and tells fart jokes to employers, the preference for wining and dining (or Bud and buddies) to body shots and barfing is quite fortunate for the rest of us. This is not to say that the Bull is by any means a teetotaler — god, no. A squiffy Taurus will get, er, gregarious (full of loudmouth soup, some would say) and is extremely amusing to drag to a karaoke bar when intoxicated.

    GEMINI
    Drinking style
    Geminis can drink without changing their behavior much — they’re so naturally chatty and short-attention-spanned that it’s just hard to tell sometimes. They can amaze you by conversing with finesse and allusion, then doing something to belie an extremely advanced state of intoxication, like puking in your shoe. Geminis possess the magic ability to flirt successfully (and uninfuriatingly, which is very tricky) with several people at once. They like to order different cocktails every round — repetition is boring — and may create a theme (like yellow drinks: beer, sauvignon blanc and limoncello) for their own amusement.

    CANCER
    Drinking style
    Cancer is a comfort drinker — and an extra wine with dinner or an after-work beer or six can be extra comforting, can’t it, Cancer darling? Like fellow water signs Scorpio and Pisces, Crabs must guard against lushery. Cancers are brilliant at ferreting out secret parties and insinuating themselves on VIP lists — and, in true Hollywood style, Cancers are never really drunk; instead, they get “tired and emotional” (read: weepy when lubricated). But there’s nothing better than swapping stories (and spit) over a few bottles of inky red wine with your favorite Cancer. Even your second-favorite Cancer will do. The sign also rules the flavor vanilla, and you’d be adored if you served up a vanilla vodka and soda.

    LEO
    Drinking style
    Leo likes to drink and dance — they’re often fabulous dancers, and usually pretty good drinkers as well, losing their commanding dignity and turning kittenish. Of course, they’re quite aware they’re darling - Leos will be Leos, after all. They generally know their limit, probably because they loathe losing self-control. When they get over-refreshed, expect flirting to ensue — and perhaps not with the one what brung them. But Leo’s not the type to break rules even when drunk, so just try to ignore it (try harder, Cancer) and expect a sheepish (and hung over) Lion to make it up to you the next day.

    VIRGO
    Drinking style
    Cerebral Virgos are compelled to impose order onto their bender. Their famously fussy quest for purity could lead to drinking less than other signs, sure — but it could also lead to drinking booze neat, to sucking down organic wine or just to brand loyalty. They rarely get fully shellacked — but, oh, when they do! Virgo’s controlled by the intellect, but there’s an unbridled beast lurking within, and they let it loose when walloped. It’s dead sexy (and surprisingly unsloppy). As one Virgo friend used to declare, “I’m going to drink myself into a low level of intelligence tonight.” A toast to the subgenius IQ!

    LIBRA
    Drinking style
    “I’m just a social drinker,” slurs Libra, “it’s jusht that I’m so damn social?” Libra loves nothing more than to party, mingle and relate to everyone. Whether dipped in favor of Good Libra (with Insta-Friend device set to “on”) or heavier on the Evil Libra side (they are little instigators when bored), the Scales can really work a room. Charming as they are, Libras are notoriously lacking in self-control, however, which can get them into all sorts of trouble — including wearing their wobbly boots waaaay too early in the evening, flirting with their best friend’s beau or even blacking out the night’s events entirely.
    Oops!

    SCORPIO
    Drinking style
    Don’t ever tell Scorpios they’ve had enough, for they’ll smirk at you and quietly but intentionally keep tippling till they’re hog-whimpering drunk, out of 100-proof spite. Scorpios like to drink, and screw you if you have a problem with that. Most of them see the sauce as something to savor in itself, and not as a personality-altering tool * though if depressed, self-loathing Scorps seek total obliteration. But generally, they’re fascinating drinking pals, brilliant conversationalists and dizzying flirts. They also remember everything — especially what you did when you were blitzed. Only drink with a Scorpio who likes you.

    SAGITTARIUS
    Drinking style
    In vino veritas — and, for Sagittarius, in booze blurtiness: When buttered, they’ll spill all your secrets and many of their own. Tactlessness aside, Sagittarius is just plain fun to drink with. This is a sign of serious partying (what else would you expect from the sign of Sinatra, Keith Richards, the Bush twins and Anna Nicole Smith?). They’re the people who chat up everyone in the room, then persuade the entire crowd to travel somewhere else — like a nightclub, or a playground, or Cancun. Good-natured hijinks are sure to ensue (including a high possibility of loopy groping; spontaneous Sag is a brilliant booty call).

    CAPRICORN
    Drinking style
    Capricorn is usually described as practical, steadfast, money-hungry and status-thirsty — no wonder they get left off the astrological cocktail-party list. But this is the sign of David Bowie and Annie Lennox, not to mention Elvis. Capricorn is the true rock star: independent, powerful and seriously charismatic, not too eager to please. And if they make money being themselves, who are you to quibble? But just like most rock stars, they’re either totally on or totally off, and they generally need a little social lubricant to loosen up and enjoy the after party, especially if they can hook up with a cute groupie.



    PISCES
    Drinking style
    If you’re a Pisces, you’ve probably already heard that you share a sign and an addictive personality — with Liz Taylor, Liza Minelli and Kurt Cobain. Not only do Pisces like to lose themselves in the dreamy, out-there feeling that only hooch can give, but they build up a mighty tolerance fast. Who needs an expensive date like that? On the other hand, they’re fabulously enchanting partners, whether in conversation or in crime. With the right Pisces, you can start out sharing a pitcher of margaritas and wind up in bed together for days. The phrase “addictive personality” can be read two ways, you know.
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    21 yo drinker - too much C2H6O causes capillary proliferation and inflammation. So besides feeling like shit, you can end up all red, puffy. Like the guy at the end of the bar, who got there way too early. Hunched over, with a gut, red face, looking around longing for someone to talk to. Stumbles home, wakes up feeling like shit, makes a drink and winds up at the bar again by 3pm the next day. Always cranky, bitchy and very very sad...

    C2H6O metabolism produces acetaldehyde which becomes acetic acid (in the liver and the retina). Causes hangovers. Also gives to the odor of over ripe fruit and lends a hand in body odor chemistry.

    Your not bound, you are free, you can make the choice on what you want to do - drink it up, quit, or learn to control your mind and train it to only drink on occasion and in moderation. Are you really going to let a chemical floating in liquid dictate what kind of life you are going to lead?
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:20 PM GMT
    The limit of drinking drugging or fucking is when it is taking a toll on what you would do normally. Or if you have to have it in order to cope with life in general.

    Moderation is key. Every one has something they need to work through in a certian lifetime so dont feel guilty. The same ones that think its so easy not to have an issue with alachol, are the same ones that have issues in other areas of life that you probably wont hear about, but would find a breeze.

    If it becomes too much though get friends that dont drink around you or buddies that dont try to make you drink. Stay away from bars and such until you develop the will power to either do it in moderation or not at all. Find a hobby that you will enjoy for the sake of doing it while sober.

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    Jul 31, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    jlk7jester saidSo I just turned 21 about a month ago and of course I been going many nights drinking large amounts of alcohol back to back. I think its finally catching up to me cause this morning I woke up and looked really really bad and my stomach felt like it was eaten out by some alien trapped inside. I also noticed all my gains going away from the gym and I just have very little enthusiasm to lift as I was before.

    Anyone know where the limit of drinking is? As far as how many drinks you can have a week and still lead a healthy life? I really don't want myself to go down the path of alcoholism like my father and I don't want no beer gut.


    Why not give up drinking entirely?
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
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    muchmorethanmuscle saidWhy can't you just simply stop? What's the point of doing it anyway?


    I agree. It made me sick so I quit well over 8 years ago. I think many people drink to "fit in". icon_rolleyes.gif


    Credited. Drinking alcohol in moderation is okay, I suppose, but I think abstinence is the better way to go. And, I practice what I preach icon_lol.gif.
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:46 PM GMT
    If you feel like shit every morning you wake up after intense partying, don't you think it is time to cut back on the alcohol and start taking better care of yourself? I have never had a serious drinking problem, but I decided to permanently cut out alcohol from my life. I felt that I no longer needed alcohol to have a good time. Since December 31st 1999, I have never touched another drop of alcohol and I am far better off for it. I am alcohol free and damned proud of it. I just regret not doing it much sooner in my life. Oh well you live and learn. icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:47 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Caslon5000 said "But let me point out an example of the "all or nothing" mentality. It is really rather humorous once you notice it. Here it is: YOU describing ALL OF AMERICA AS ALL OR NOTHING. Whatever happened to moderation? Why couldnt this guy's personal problem stay personal and not become a smear on ALL of America. I dont over drink. Do you overdrink? Then it's not ALL of fucking America, is it?!?![/quote]

    OMG, it's Chucky incarnate! Geez Caslon, take a deep breath, don't take it so personally! Sit down, relax, have a drink... oh wait, sorry, spank the monkey...hey, no, not mine! Don't touch my monkey!

    Mikesw said "Your not bound, you are free, you can make the choice on what you want to do - drink it up, quit, or learn to control your mind and train it to only drink on occasion and in moderation. Are you really going to let a chemical floating in liquid dictate what kind of life you are going to lead?

    Wow, now I really feel guilty for having a drink! Thanks Mike, I might need to go talk to that guy at then end of the bar, Mr. Red Nose! LOL
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    When you're in College and your friends are drinking with you it's fun
    but when you wake up alone sick
    your head hurts and you're wondering if it's worth it?

    It ain't....

    If you don't think so?
    Look in the mirror
    You wanna date that guy? icon_eek.gif
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:51 PM GMT
    I'm with you Jester... I used to drink pretty heavy, more nights of the week then I'd be sober.

    Then I got a part time job working the door at the local gay bar.

    Oh, and a couple of parties I ended up being "that guy" who gets sick and locks up the bathroom for an hour and passes out on the couch.

    Trust, you can learn to drink with moderation. It's hard at first, but you can do it! Set a limit, and stick with it. If you're only going for one or two, stop at one or two.

    Good luck man!
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:59 PM GMT
    PISCES
    Drinking style
    If you’re a Pisces, you’ve probably already heard that you share a sign and an addictive personality — with Liz Taylor, Liza Minelli and Kurt Cobain. Not only do Pisces like to lose themselves in the dreamy, out-there feeling that only hooch can give, but they build up a mighty tolerance fast. Who needs an expensive date like that? On the other hand, they’re fabulously enchanting partners, whether in conversation or in crime. With the right Pisces, you can start out sharing a pitcher of margaritas and wind up in bed together for days. The phrase “addictive personality” can be read two ways, you know.

    Hee hee...see it's not my fault I can blame it all on the stars!! icon_twisted.gif Now, who was it that said they liked Margaritas.....?