Drugs Offer Promise of Fitness Without Effort

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    Jul 31, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    Is this a good thing or very bad?

    "Drugs Offer Promise of Fitness Without Effort"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/science/01muscle.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

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    Jul 31, 2008 11:38 PM GMT
    this addresses one of the root problems with America. Our relentless need for an easy fix.

    give me a pill or surgery. but heaven forbid you get off your lazy ass and eat right. icon_evil.gif
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    Jul 31, 2008 11:42 PM GMT
    If a person only exercised for the physical benefits, the pill might be a plus. But for me, I'm out on the bike because the of the endorphin rush and because I feel better mentally as well as physically. Until their pill improves the patient's mental state, it's no substitute for exercise.
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    Jul 31, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    I can't count the number of promising mouse studies that have come up completely emptyhanded, but...

    If a pill can reduce the number of diabetic ulcers I have to treat, and foot/toe amputations I have to do, I'm all for it.
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    Aug 01, 2008 12:31 AM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidMost people that wind up getting diabetes get it from a sedentary lifestyle. If they had motivation to begin with to stay active and healthy we'd have a lot less diabetics today.
    Now bring in pills to counteract this? I am not sure. I'm on the fence as to whether or not it will have a positive effect. It may just make lazy people lazier thinking that they can pop a pill and be fine.

    A little discipline and determination the old fashion way never hurt anyone. I think these pills will make people more despondent when it comes to taking charge of their own health.


    I'm glad to see that I'm not the only 'encore' for this statement. Fitness isn't about being thin, it's about being healthy both physically and mentally. I come home from work each day exhausted [mentally as I sit at a desk most of the day] and the only thing that picks me up and puts a smile on my face are the endorphins I get from exercising. There is nothing like it and I wouldn't trade it for any pill that will most likely cause negative side effects.
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    Aug 01, 2008 1:13 AM GMT
    I think it is human nature to look for shortcuts - the easy way out... maybe it is tied in with humans ability to create or invent somehow???

    Whatever - I have seen claims of 'shortcuts' for just about my entire life. Along will come a new drug or therapy and everyone clibs on the bandwagon. Then 5-6 years later someone discovers that the 'shortcut' is causing irecoverable damage or death... remember when people dieting in the sixties and early seventies used anphetamines? Recently I have even heard that there is a rise in people using the banned drug Clenbuterol to lose weight... because it is so widely available to Vets - for HORSES.

    "Euclid, having opened a school of mathematics at Alexandria, was asked by King Ptolemy whether he could not explain his art to him in a more compendious manner. “Sir,” said the geometrician, “there is no royal road to learning.” "... similarly there are no shortcuts to learning how to take care of your body, and doing the hard work of appropriate diet and exercise.

    "Just Do It"




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    Aug 01, 2008 1:23 AM GMT
    rockitnyc saidIs this a good thing or very bad?

    "Drugs Offer Promise of Fitness Without Effort"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/science/01muscle.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin



    It's Sad. Sure you can trick your muscles, but you can't trick cholesterol clogged arteries or the sudden shortness of breathe when you suddenly burst into a run. Word of the wise: "There's no such thing as quick fix." If you have any life experience than you know what that means. If you have any common sense, then you know why the idea of a pill for physical fitness is sad.
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    Aug 01, 2008 4:47 AM GMT
    I for one think that if we have the drugs, or technology available for someone to lose weight, or mimic exercise, that no one should chose for them whether or not they have a right to it.

    idk guys.. my first thought was about drunken boxing, a type of martial arts where you drink alcohol to increase your level of pain endurance (and other things). Now just because you can't FEEL the pain, doesn't mean you're any less injured. That's one of the reasons this form of martial arts, in it's true state of being drunk off your ass, is dangerous.

    So these pills can increase your endurance? How? Is your endurance increased, or is your body tricked into thinking it is? If you stop taking the pill does your endurance DEcrease? There are a lot of important points that this article neglected to mention.

    Either way, I don't think we ever will be able to make a pill sprout a 6-pack for anybody.
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    Aug 01, 2008 6:25 AM GMT
    I been hearing about shit like this all my life, drugs to stop aging, no more tooth decay, hair re-growth drugs ....it just stuff to get your name /research published.
    The entire myth of evil saturated fat was a little research and a big use of the media to get famous.





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    Aug 02, 2008 6:24 PM GMT
    If the drug alters your DNA, as it claims to do, then the effects cannot be undone: and your not ever going to suffer from stopping the medication. In fact, it might only be a short period of treatment.

    This new "pill-fixation" that we suffer from as a society is definately a problem. But, you have to remember that we've never seen anything like this type of pill before. Pills that alter DNA? It's all a brave new world now.

    Those who claim to be skeptics should do some research and find out that we're dealing with a whole new type of drug treatment. Hopefully, we'll be able to cure diseases with just a DNA-altering pill.

    This pill alone, the exercise pill, has the potential to treat tons of diseases such as muscular dystrophy. It's not all just about the vanity that the pill will undoubtedly feed. One thing that is important to remember is that this pill seems to only improve muscle strength and size. It doesn't necessarily do anything for the skeletal structure. With increase muscle mass and the same bones underneath, people will be more susceptible to fractures and breaks. SO, yeah. It's not a "beautiful pill".

    Let's keep an open mind? Hmm?
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    Aug 02, 2008 7:22 PM GMT

    Through out history (bare with me)....there has been a myriad of inventions and medical advancement designed to make human life easier and achieve maximum result through minimum effort. This is why people don't scrub their garments on washboards anymore and tend tirelessly to their own crops. It's a trend and seeing how, thanks to the media, fitness has become so highly saught after by everyone, I am not surprised that the drug companies didn't try to capitalize on this obsession sooner. I doubt it, but even if these pills manage to create perfect bodies there will still be two groups: the pill poppers and the naturals, just like now with steroids and the naturals get more respect. This will never change.
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    Aug 02, 2008 7:53 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    Through out history (bare with me) What? Are we all supposed to take off our clothes now along with you? I dont see the point. I can read just fine with my clothes on. Should this be posted under "changing in the locker room"? WTF? ....there has been a myriad of inventions and medical advancement designed to make human life easier and achieve maximum result through minimum effort. This is why people don't scrub their garments on washboards anymore and tend tirelessly to their own crops. It's a trend and seeing how, thanks to the media, fitness has become so highly saught after by everyone, I am not surprised that the drug companies didn't try to capitalize on this obsession sooner. I doubt it, but even if these pills manage to create perfect bodies there will still be two groups: the pill poppers and the naturals, just like now with steroids and the naturals get more respect. This will never change.
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    Aug 02, 2008 8:03 PM GMT

    Wow, you caught a spelling error and acted like a total bitch about it, not really shocking, bugg off, lady.
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    Aug 02, 2008 8:09 PM GMT
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    Wow, you caught a spelling error and acted like a total bitch about it, not really shocking, bugg off, lady.

    Now GiGi, dont dish it out if you cant take it. It's....unmanly ... icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 02, 2008 8:47 PM GMT

    Thas it! Challengin my manlyness!? You've gone and dropped the gauntlet now. You wanna tangle , baby. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!
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    Aug 03, 2008 1:08 AM GMT
    let's try and play friendly with other now people ^_^

    ...unless you guys want to wrestle over it and film it icon_razz.gif

    KentuckyTuss saididk guys.. my first thought was about drunken boxing, a type of martial arts where you drink alcohol to increase your level of pain endurance (and other things). Now just because you can't FEEL the pain, doesn't mean you're any less injured. That's one of the reasons this form of martial arts, in it's true state of being drunk off your ass, is dangerous.


    actually I tried to learn this style. you're actually not allowed to drink. Since the newer forms of the style requires flips and position which only a gymnist cross training in yoga can pull off.


    Back on the topic, although I have no reason for needing it, I'd probably take the drug if it becomes readily available. Not to slacken off or anything, but the athlete in me always wants to "better, faster, stronger".