Pride: an important political statement or just a fuckfest now?

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    Jun 25, 2012 11:22 AM GMT
    I can only speak for the UK but over here it's an excuse for getting pissed, shagging like a bunny and being as camp as Xmas . It seems to have lost its deeper message of equal rights.

    Is it the same in other countries or different ?

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    Jun 25, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
    According to this morning's New York Times, they're "the tea party rallies of the democratic party." Yeah, the Times needs to cut back somebody's dosage.
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    Jun 25, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    It's the same in the US.
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    Jun 25, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
    I've gotten in huge arguments over this topic.

    People tell me it allows gays to express themselves. I consider Pride along the lines with Mardi Gras. Does Mardi Gras really display Christian faith? I sure hope our culture is not a big party fuck fest.

    It is fun to go out with friends and get drunk. But this event does not represent anything of important. Yes you can express yourself but I don't think it has any cultural value.
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    Jun 25, 2012 4:39 PM GMT
    Depends where you are; my organization hosts Pridefest of the Palm Beaches which is known for being a "family-friendly" pridefest.
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    Jun 25, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    wpbnole saidDepends where you are; my organization hosts Pridefest of the Palm Beaches which is known for being a "family-friendly" pridefest.


    That would be the sort of pride-fest I'd like to go to a historical celebration of all that homosexual has contributed to the world is more how I'd imagine being proud of my sexuality.
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    Jun 25, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    An important political fuckfest?

    I actually don't think Pride is either of those things. It seems to me to be just a gay version of Mardi Gras: a cultural event (where it's happening) with very little greater contemporary significance.

    Especially in places where Pride is actually well attended. Hard to really fight the power in SF, NYC, MIA and Chicago.
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    Jun 25, 2012 4:45 PM GMT
    The thing I found interesting was the large amount of straight people that show up. Some bring their kids too. So it's nice to see that non-gays are open minded and teaching that to their kids. But yeah I can't say that all pride events are a showcase of debauchery and mischief.

    Edit: To clarify, I meant the parade and not the main pride events.
  • Bigolbear

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    Jun 25, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
    I guess it depends on what you make it.

    Our party was a nice mix of people across all spectrums, gay, lesbian, straight, kids, adults, fierce, reserved, conservative, liberal, you get the point. There was alcohol available and people did drink but I didn't see anyone getting smashed. It's Houston and the weather was HOT so it was more of a pool party but it was very nice and everyone seemed to have fun.

    If you go to the parade you can see people dressed in almost nothing at all but I don't think that is too big of a deal. It's no Mardi Gras, that's for sure. As far as camp goes, I love camp, I'm all for camp and it's my favorite part of it. I don't think things have to be tuned down for mass acceptance, there's no pride in that.

    If I want to nit pick it to death I am sure I can find something to complain about it if I look hard enough, but I have to say it was a really enjoyable time with friends, family, and coworkers and I can't wait to do it all over again next year.

    I think if you find that the gay pride is all about getting wasted and having sex then you should probably look at who you are choosing to celebrate it with.

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    Jun 25, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    It can be both, it really depends on what you make of it. I participate in my local church's contingent in the pride parade, where we help send our message of social justice.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 25, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    I think it can be very constructive, not just a fuck fest.... a group of guys with common interests and concerns.... during changing times, great way to communicate, get ideas and get information.
  • groundcombat

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    Jun 25, 2012 4:59 PM GMT
    Can't it be both? I'm sure it varies from city to city, but I've gone to SD Pride for the past 6 years and it's been both depending on what I decide to make of the weekend.
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    While at the parade it definitely seemed like a political statement. That said the second I left and hit the bars it became very sexually charged.
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    Yeah I do feel like it's a mix of things. I liked hearing a couple of people that attented who said they're there "to just chill, relax, watch, have fun" - straight people. Otherwise, there's political statements from plenty of groups and plenty of fun. I didn't get drunk at all and just had simple fun from the energy of the fest with close friends.
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    I've never been to pride before. In Austin it is always during the school year because it's too hot during the summer I think. Plus I've never been comfortable goin to those things. I didn't realize it was a fuckfest.
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:10 PM GMT
    wpbnole saidDepends where you are; my organization hosts Pridefest of the Palm Beaches which is known for being a "family-friendly" pridefest.

    I agree. The Pride Parades and Fests I've attended and marched (or rode) in are very family friendly. For instance, the one we had here yesterday featured the following:

    - A US Member of Congress
    - The Republican County Sheriff
    - Several of his emergency response vehicles, including an EMS truck painted all pink!
    - Several churches marching
    - Assorted area mayors and commissioners riding in bannered convertibles
    - The Pride Center of South Florida float
    - A float featuring gay couples together over 30 years
    - A young Latino gay social group
    - SunServe, a group providing social services to the gay community, including a senior center

    And many other gay community groups, emphasizing gay rights and gay accomplishments. The only float with a touch of risqué came from a gay nightclub, their entertainers dressed in square cut speedos like you'd see on the beach here, but they just stood on the float and waved, no dancing or sexy moves.

    There was no nudity in the crowds, not even partial, it was something a child of any age could have seen, and many did. I only saw one drunk all day, a 20-something lesbian. And I noted to RJer Alby, our guest from Orlando, how remarkably clean the streets were, no litter at all Not until after the parade, that is, when a lot of tossed cards and flyers ended up on the ground.
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    Do the Irish have these same questions about their Saint Patrick's Day parades?
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
    Much of pride is as far from a 'fuckfest' as it is possible to imagine.

    All of these images are from London Pride.

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    Jun 25, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
    Straight people have fuckfests all the time...Xmas being one of them.

    That said, Pride being a fuckfest speaks volumes for equal rights. We should be just as free to be slutty and campy as straight people are.
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    Jun 25, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
    when people refer to things as fuckfests, all it tells me is that they don't realize how oversaturated the "straight world" is with sex already.

    is there any summer event where people don't fuck in some capacity?

    or do women and men just get all done up just to talk about the weather?

    that's like making a bathroom, and only complaining about piss when it's gay people.... "what's with these gay people, all they do is piss?"

    it's a toilet, it's what is done

    it's a summer festival.... it's how babies are made for the next spring

    or not, at least gays have population control
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
    Isn't pride just a commercialized thing now ?? The times I've been (UK Pride) there has been zero political focus.....it's all just booze, drag queens, floats and guys in freakin hot pants.

    Not the ideal venue for any serious political messages is it ? icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    I guess I don't really buy into the idea that the gay experience needs to be narrowly focused on "equal rights." there is a lot more to it. I'm more interested in gay representations than the ability to file for a marriage license... and I think pride celebrations are generally good about covering multiple bases at once, featuring gay performers and services as well as political campaign stuff.
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    whateveryo saidIsn't pride just a commercialized thing now ?? The times I've been (UK Pride) there has been zero political focus.....it's all just booze, drag queens, floats and guys in freakin hot pants.

    Not the ideal venue for any serious political messages is it ? icon_lol.gif


    The fact that pride can be commercialized speaks volumes. Not too long ago no business in the world would want its name attached to such a thing.
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    "Seattle's Gay Pride Parade takes on political tone."

    http://www.king5.com/news/slideshows/Hundreds-of-thousands-gather-for-Seattle-Pride-Parade-160179925.html

    I'm not happy our NBC affiliate would remind us of the correlation or give people yet another "comments" section to spew their thoughts on the matter.

  • stratavos

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    Jun 25, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
    It really depends on where in it you're at. The bars will always be sexually charged, but the parade and public parts will always be family friendly.