WHY ARE SOME OLD GAY GUYS SO SELF LOATHING THEY VOTE AGAINST THEIR OWN EQUAL RIGHTS?

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    Jun 25, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    So perplexing.. Maybe they are not defined by their gayness, just by their self loathing and greed. I dunno..
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    In their minds, they're just laid back, chill, masc, straight-acting bros and their anti-gay votes only apply to those silly nelly fems.
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    Maybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
    bmchannel7 saidMaybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?


    You are self loathing! Foaming at the mouth and giddy at SSM failing in CA...
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    bmchannel7 saidMaybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?
    Wait till you're kicked out of your apartment, refused a home/car/personal loan, or fired from a lucrative career for being gay.

    This is why gay rights are important. When you vote against them, you're not just voting against gay marriage, you're voting for the removal of all basic rights.
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
    bmchannel7 saidMaybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?


    You really hate yourself dont u? Do u blame yourself for not being str8 like the other boys?
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    Jun 25, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
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    bmchannel7 saidMaybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?
    Wait till you're kicked out of your apartment, refused a home/car/personal loan, or fired from a lucrative career for being gay.

    This is why gay rights are important. When you vote against them, you're not just voting against gay marriage, you're voting for the removal of all basic rights.
    That will NEVER happen.. have all of you noticed that the entire conservaposse is closeted? NO one except their close 'gay friends knows what they fuck.. If they actually were to loudly protest the loudmouths within their conservative circles every time they utter wonder 'faggot' slams.. they'd wouldn't be a part of that social circle anymore..

    Then they'd beexpelled_exposed.jpg
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    Jun 26, 2012 1:01 AM GMT
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    bmchannel7 saidMaybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?
    Wait till you're kicked out of your apartment, refused a home/car/personal loan, or fired from a lucrative career for being gay.

    This is why gay rights are important. When you vote against them, you're not just voting against gay marriage, you're voting for the removal of all basic rights.
    That will NEVER happen.. have all of you noticed that the entire conservaposse is closeted? NO one except their close 'gay friends knows what they fuck.. If they actually were to loudly protest the loudmouths within their conservative circles every time they utter wonder 'faggot' slams.. they'd wouldn't be a part of that social circle anymore..

    Then they'd beexpelled_exposed.jpg


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    Jun 26, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
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    bmchannel7 saidMaybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?
    Wait till you're kicked out of your apartment, refused a home/car/personal loan, or fired from a lucrative career for being gay.

    This is why gay rights are important. When you vote against them, you're not just voting against gay marriage, you're voting for the removal of all basic rights.


    Owning an apartment, getting a loan, and having a career are not rights, they are privilege. Most citizens cannot get them...its not a gay right your being denied...if someone does that its called homophobia...You all promote the same ideology when you demonize them for simply disagreeing with you. Rather than call them bigots why don't you seek a common ground and find our rights the way this country allows you to not by name calling. Just a thought.
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    Jun 26, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
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    bmchannel7 saidMaybe they're not relying on the government or a political party for their personal or financial happiness or personal social agenda. And you choose to call that self-loathing? Who is the one loathing whom here?
    Wait till you're kicked out of your apartment, refused a home/car/personal loan, or fired from a lucrative career for being gay.

    This is why gay rights are important. When you vote against them, you're not just voting against gay marriage, you're voting for the removal of all basic rights.


    Owning an apartment, getting a loan, and having a career are not rights, they are privilege. Most citizens cannot get them...its not a gay right your being denied...if someone does that its called homophobia...You all promote the same ideology when you demonize them for simply disagreeing with you. Rather than call them bigots why don't you seek a common ground and find our rights the way this country allows you to not by name calling. Just a thought.


    So someone should be able to discriminate against you for a loan, apt, job etc if your gay? Really??
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    Jun 26, 2012 1:48 PM GMT
    Well, first of all I didn't say should. However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property. When you say that I HAVE to do these things your taking a fundamental right away from them that stems way deeper than social rights. If your going to try to change a system because you want to get something from it. It had better be a for a better reason than someone was mean to me. We didn't build a justice system on hearsay and we don't give things to people simply because they want it...
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    "However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property."

    lol @ this. Jobs as well, I guess, eh?

    I guess you'd include races, women etc in that permitted discrimination, eh?
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
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    "However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property."

    lol @ this. Jobs as well, I guess, eh?

    I guess you'd include races, women etc in that permitted discrimination, eh?
    Do NOT waste your time with this punk.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
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    "However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property."

    lol @ this. Jobs as well, I guess, eh?

    I guess you'd include races, women etc in that permitted discrimination, eh?


    Yeah I understand it offers room for manipulation but my point was that these ideas are founded in the belief that people need to work for privileges. A stretch i know but acting entitled to things is not the way to get people to stop oppressing minority groups.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
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    "However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property."

    lol @ this. Jobs as well, I guess, eh?

    I guess you'd include races, women etc in that permitted discrimination, eh?


    Yeah I understand it offers room for manipulation but my point was that these ideas are founded in the belief that people need to work for privileges. A stretch i know but acting entitled to things is not the way to get people to stop oppressing minority groups.


    Its not acting entitled expecting to be considered for an opportunity based on merit and not sexual orientation, gender, or ethnicity.

    Its not acting entitled expecting to be considered for an opportunity free of bias and discrimination.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    "However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property."

    lol @ this. Jobs as well, I guess, eh?

    I guess you'd include races, women etc in that permitted discrimination, eh?


    Yeah I understand it offers room for manipulation but my point was that these ideas are founded in the belief that people need to work for privileges. A stretch i know but acting entitled to things is not the way to get people to stop oppressing minority groups.


    Oh. I get it. Your 21. You know it all right now. Get back with us in 8-10 years lol
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:34 PM GMT
    catfish5, I don't think the light will dawn on him until he's he direct recipient of what he espouses. Then watch what happens.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:42 PM GMT
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    Sfdubleu said
    meninlove said

    "However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property."

    lol @ this. Jobs as well, I guess, eh?

    I guess you'd include races, women etc in that permitted discrimination, eh?


    Yeah I understand it offers room for manipulation but my point was that these ideas are founded in the belief that people need to work for privileges. A stretch i know but acting entitled to things is not the way to get people to stop oppressing minority groups.


    Its not acting entitled expecting to be considered for an opportunity based on merit and not sexual orientation, gender, or ethnicity.

    Its not acting entitled expecting to be considered for an opportunity free of bias and discrimination.


    Here's something I'm sure your age has taught you then...being gay does not define you so why would you choose it to. IF you do that is your business but I prefer to keep my personal life separate from work. For the same reason that those with tattoos are so called "discriminated" against or people who are overweight, If a company chooses not to hire someone that fits their image why and how is it legal for the government to step in and say you have to hire them.

    Furthermore why would you want to work there. It astounds me when you use the age card considering that proves nothing to your point and again all my point on this was that there is a big difference between personal freedoms and civil rights.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:52 PM GMT
    Sfdubleu, this first time a co-worker or boss sees you in any kind of gay venue, the jig's up. You can't stop others from talking about you. Nice try though, to bring closeted at work out as a valid argument.

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    Jun 26, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
    Sfdubleu said
    catfish5 said
    Sfdubleu said
    meninlove said

    "However in a free market as a personal business owner and/or property owner of course I can decide who I want to give a loan to or who I want to be a tenant in my property."

    lol @ this. Jobs as well, I guess, eh?

    I guess you'd include races, women etc in that permitted discrimination, eh?


    Yeah I understand it offers room for manipulation but my point was that these ideas are founded in the belief that people need to work for privileges. A stretch i know but acting entitled to things is not the way to get people to stop oppressing minority groups.


    Its not acting entitled expecting to be considered for an opportunity based on merit and not sexual orientation, gender, or ethnicity.

    Its not acting entitled expecting to be considered for an opportunity free of bias and discrimination.


    Here's something I'm sure your age has taught you then...being gay does not define you so why would you choose it to. IF you do that is your business but I prefer to keep my personal life separate from work. For the same reason that those with tattoos are so called "discriminated" against or people who are overweight, If a company chooses not to hire someone that fits their image why and how is it legal for the government to step in and say you have to hire them.

    Furthermore why would you want to work there. It astounds me when you use the age card considering that proves nothing to your point and again all my point on this was that there is a big difference between personal freedoms and civil rights.


    Of course a company has the freedom to hire someone who fits their needs and meets their expectations..

    But the prospective employee has the right to expect an environment free of bias, prejudice and discrimination...

    When you are 21 with a college degree, knowing it all is so easy. Been there myself. As you get older and gain some life experience, you will find the older you get the less you actually know. I know zero people who hold the same beliefs at 21 that they do at 30. Hard to understand now but you will get it in a few years of growing up.
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    Jun 26, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    ha true but I didn't say closeted either. And again why would I continue to work or surround myself with people who would fire me for a reason like that. Again I am not arguing that these employers or people are justified in doing these things simply that its a flaw on their part not the system.

    With saying that the "prospective employee has the right to expect an environment free of bias, prejudice and discrimination.." goes back to the idea that we are entitled to have everyone agree with or accept us.

    I don't think you mean to offend me but I do not even slightly presume I know it all. BUT I do know that I have a good moral structure and through that, It is MUCH easier to form opinions and formulate theories. I support the idea that through experience you gain wisdom but without morality, knowledge has no structure from which to grow from.
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    Jun 26, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
    probably for the same reason elephants can be held back by a little rope if they were trained with a heavy chain

    or some older people still think we are living in the 50s in terms of race relations

    or for that matter, why some people still find the british monarchy relevant....


    because they grew up with one structure and they've never relearned anything new


    you could ask the same question:

    why do some gay men still live with identity politics from 40 years ago?

    or to take it out of the realm of just ideas

    why do men who lived through the 80s have a different approach to safer sex than their younger counterparts?

    because reality was different at one time, and not everyone has a reset button
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    Jun 26, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    Sfdubleu saidha true but I didn't say closeted either. And again why would I continue to work or surround myself with people who would fire me for a reason like that. Again I am not arguing that these employers or people are justified in doing these things simply that its a flaw on their part not the system.

    With saying that the "prospective employee has the right to expect an environment free of bias, prejudice and discrimination.." goes back to the idea that we are entitled to have everyone agree with or accept us.

    I don't think you mean to offend me but I do not even slightly presume I know it all. BUT I do know that I have a good moral structure and through that, It is MUCH easier to form opinions and formulate theories. I support the idea that through experience you gain wisdom but without morality, knowledge has no structure from which to grow from.


    Look. Alot of what u know at 21 is from what you have been told from family, teachers, professors, friends, and clergy. As you go forward, you will learn from life experience applying what youve been told into real world situations. There tends to be a disconnect between the ideal textbook situation and the real world. Thats where you learn that despite your background, you dont know it all.

    Just keep an open mind. Rigidity in the real world never works. To be successful, you have to be willing to abandon old ideas for new, be flexible and open minded, and do things in a manner u never thought u would. Good luck!
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    Jun 26, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    " And again why would I continue to work or surround myself with people who would fire me for a reason like that."
    Of course, I forgot about the huge surplus of available jobs in the US enabling people to just hop from one job to another.
    Of course, the next employer can find out why you were fired (for being gay) and can do the same, or just refuse to hire you. Sounds good.

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    PS sfdubleu, your profile and pics are public. Any employer can put your pic into a search engine and find you here.

    I come from a long past era where your line of thinking was du rigeur. It was pretty ghastly.
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    Jun 26, 2012 5:30 PM GMT
    Thanks catfish I will do my best

    and meninlove...you are using minute and "ghastly" rare examples to prove your point which again I have no idea what it is. All your doing is saying that I can be fired or not hired for being gay and I'm telling you none of my employers in the past 5 years has ever treated me differently after they have found out. SO I don't know where your examples are coming from but I have rarely heard of cases such as that. (even if they do you cannot generalize to validate your argument) AND if someone who's homosexuality overwhelmed or interfered with work as I HAVE seen I leave no fault to an employer to relieve them of their job.

    P.S. I have had a steady job for 3 years now since I returned from college and I have had 4 coincide with that as well in the past 2 so I hardly believe the "I can't find a job" excuse is valid...people just have to be willing to work for a living rather than leaching off the people in this country who do it the right way.