Matt Ogus " Natural Bodybuilder " - talks about Jack3d and why it was banned

  • MarcBodybuild...

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    Jun 25, 2012 6:05 PM GMT


    The Twins tells their version

  • FlypinHigh

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    Jun 26, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
    I hate youtube fitness gurus
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    Jun 27, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    those twins should be banned from youtube
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    Jun 27, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    "I'm too busy to record a video while sitting at my computer. I'm superawesome..."
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    Jun 27, 2012 5:12 AM GMT
    I just don't get the point of making that video in his car, while driving. That alone makes me want to beat him with a bicycle chain.
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    Jun 27, 2012 5:27 AM GMT
    He is slightly more annoying than any one of the Kardashian sisters.

    He took more than 7 minutes to offer 30 seconds worth of (mildly) relevant information.

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    Jun 27, 2012 5:28 AM GMT
    It was banned (pronounced JACKED, not JACK-3D) because it contains 1,3-dimethylamylamine, which is a stimulant like caffeine that acts by a different mechanism to stimulate your central and/or peripheral nervous system as a sympathomimetic drug (fancy for wakes you up and puts you on edge). These increase resting heart rate, heart contractility, and stroke volume of heart as well as decreasing reaction time and possibly improving neuromuscular recruitment of muscle fibers by lowering their threshold of excitation.

    Geranium oil, last I checked (which was 3 months ago), was determined to not offer sufficient quantities of DMAA naturally that it is just a name they were slipping synthetic DMAA into the product, making it "natural." It was controversial that companies were underhandedly branding products with pharmaceutical levels of active ingredient from this natural source, that would probably be in sufficient levels that would not be ergogenic to exercise. Last I checked, it was controversial and research was continuing to be done on the substance, but the last take-home I got from it was that supplement companies were putting in synthetic DMAA and calling it geranium oil.

    Stimulants can range in strength from caffeine, to DMAA, to speed (amphetamines), to crystal meth (methamphetamines).

    All stimulants are ergogenic aids, improving performance in physical exercise ranging from endurance to strength and power exercise.

    To my knowledge (I was following this back in January-March), it was taken off the shelves because military had soldiers drop dead while using this supplement. Supplements are not regulated by the government directly--the FDA only regulates them more strictly when something goes wrong. Thus, it is the manufacturer who must be ethical in producing quality supplements, but we know this is not the case. Manufacturers want to make money. Some of the ways they make money are by 1) not putting any active ingredient in a supplement (you're taking silicone dioxide, which is white sand and inert); 2) putting anabolic steroids in supplements, which are an ergogenic aid that speeds recovery by heightening protein synthesis at a cost of your natural production being reduced (and atrophying); 3) putting stimulants in that aren't regulated yet. Just because they banned DMAA doesn't mean there isn't yet another -amine sympathetic nervous system stimulant you're probably taking. So, I just stay the hell away from them because you don't know what you're getting when you buy that stuff.

    Most sports have some measure of performance (time, hits, goals, weight lifted, distance thrown, etc.). Bodybuilding is subjective, unless they care how many reps they can do with a certain weight (I think it's more about size and definition, correct me if wrong). Maybe it psyches you up to have a better lift because your sport is boring as fuck to do everyday. I'd need coffee to be able to do that everyday so I don't fall asleep during my workouts. I'm so funny, no one will get the joke.

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    Jun 27, 2012 5:44 AM GMT
    bluey2223 saidIt was banned (pronounced JACKED, not JACK-3D) because it contains 1,3-dimethylamylamine, which is a stimulant like caffeine that acts by a different mechanism to stimulate your central and/or peripheral nervous system as a sympathomimetic drug (fancy for wakes you up and puts you on edge). These increase resting heart rate, heart contractility, and stroke volume of heart as well as decreasing reaction time and possibly improving neuromuscular recruitment of muscle fibers by lowering their threshold of excitation.

    Stimulants can range in strength from caffeine, to DMAA, to speed (amphetamines), to crystal meth (methamphetamines).

    All stimulants are ergogenic aids, improving performance in physical exercise ranging from endurance to strength and power exercise.

    To my knowledge (I was following this back in January-March), it was taken off the shelves because military had soldiers drop dead while using this supplement. Supplements are not regulated by the government directly--the FDA only regulates them more strictly when something goes wrong. Thus, it is the manufacturer who must be ethical in producing quality supplements, but we know this is not the case. Manufacturers want to make money. Some of the ways they make money are by 1) not putting any active ingredient in a supplement (you're taking silicone dioxide, which is white sand and inert); 2) putting anabolic steroids in supplements, which are an ergogenic aid that speeds recovery by heightening protein synthesis at a cost of your natural production being reduced (and atrophying); 3) putting stimulants in that aren't regulated yet. Just because they banned DMAA doesn't mean there isn't yet another -amine sympathetic nervous system stimulant you're probably taking. So, I just stay the hell away from them because you don't know what you're getting when you buy that stuff.

    Most sports have some measure of performance (time, hits, goals, weight lifted, distance thrown, etc.). Bodybuilding is subjective, unless they care how many reps they can do with a certain weight (I think it's more about size and definition, correct me if wrong). Maybe it psyches you up to have a better lift because your sport is boring as fuck to do everyday. I'd need coffee to be able to do that everyday so I don't fall asleep during my workouts. I'm so funny, no one will get the joke.



    Good info! I know you aren't a fan of stimulants, but what are your thoughts on stuff like Hydroxycut? I work out 6 times a week and run 25-35 miles per week, but I need something for weight loss. My big concern is that I already have high blood pressure and I am taking medication to regulate it.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:07 AM GMT
    Hydroxycut was banned back in '09 for having ephedrine, a stimulant.

    To my knowledge, it was reintroduced with caffeine as the stimulant and marketed again. I do not know the amount of caffeine in it, but caffeine should be avoided if you have blood pressure issues. Blood pressure will increase due to decreased cross sectional area of blood vessels brought about by increased sympathetic nervous system activation alone. Caffeine will do this. (Think about squeezing a garden hose, that water wants to escape that much more due to the increased pressure--the cardiovascular system is basically a garden hose that can regulate the diameter of the tubes). The biggest ways you can lower your blood pressure are (in order of magnitude of blood pressure reduction):
    1) Weight loss has the largest reductions in blood pressure
    2) Light to moderate aerobic exercise. Depending on how long and how fast you are running, I think you may be overdoing the health benefits of running with your mileage. All you need is 30-45 min of moderate exercise, which at a 8-10 min mile pace would be 3-5 miles (not sprinting, just enjoying it).
    3) Reduce stress and anxiety in your life (yoga, therapy, quiet time, etc)
    4) Increase potassium consumption (increase fruits, vegetables, and dairy consumption)
    5) Decrease sodium (don't overdo soups, prepackaged dinners, margaritas, and pass on the salt shaker).

    Of course, reduce caffeine consumption if possible or limit it to natural sources (such as coffee or tea, preferably the latter) and limit the quantity of it. Who knows how much caffeine is in Hydroxycut. I can't find the info on the internet.

    Caffeine alone will not cause you to lose weight if you do not change any aspect of your diet. It may make you eat less because you're less hungry for food. The only thing that causes you to lose weight is if you eat fewer calories than you burn (eat less food, or change the food you eat to a less calorically dense food).

    Yes, exercise is good for you, but too much is bad also. You will not lose weight from exercise alone. You must make diet changes. It is very difficult to cut calories when you are exercising intensely. If you exercise moderately, you burn more fat as a percentage of total calories expended and less sugar during exercise. When you burn sugar during exercise, it triggers you to want to eat some carbohydrate to replace what you lost. Additionally, intense exercise triggers cortisol release (stress hormone), which causes you to retain water and want to eat sugar/carbohydrate till you reach satiety.

    Take a look at your diet and see what you could do better. If you saw a dietitian, we'd make you keep a food journal and write down everything that passes your lips at what time of the day and how you were feeling at that time.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:16 AM GMT
    I am allergic to amphetamine products. I became allergic while being prescribed Aderall, now I am allergic to any amphetamine derived substance. I get a fever of over 101 when I am exposed them.

    I tried two products with 1,3-dimethylamine, LeanEFX and OxyElite Pro. Both gave me the fever and symptoms I experience with amphetamines. So this stuff probably acts pretty much like amphetamine in the body. Yuch!