Ruling boosts Obama in battle for Hispanic vote

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    Jun 26, 2012 1:29 AM GMT
    "Supreme Court decision to strike down much of Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration law puts Romney and other Republicans who had endorsed it in a bind.

    The quandary for Romney and the GOP is clear from recent polling. The Arizona law is very popular with whites and independent voters, according to data from the Pew Research Center, while many GOP strategists believe their party has little chance for success in battlegrounds such as Colorado, Nevada and Virginia if Romney doesn’t win close to 40 percent of Hispanics."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/arizona-immigration-ruling-boosts-obama-in-quest-for-hispanic-vote/2012/06/25/gJQACmeI2V_story.html?hpid=z1
  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 26, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    The Supreme Court decision is not going to help Romney at all, but to be honest, his campaign thus far has been the most anti-Hispanic of any major party nominee in history. So he had no chance with that crucial voting group even before the decision.

    It's bizarre to watch conservatives think that persecuting Hispanics means they're "winning" something. In reality, they're paving the way to their own defeat in the next election.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:04 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidRuling boosts Obama in battle for Hispanic vote

    Just thinking about this.... How? Are illegal immigrant Hispanics allowed to vote?

    Do most Hispanic American citizens support illegal immigration?

    Section 2b of the law was upheld by the court.

    I think Hispanics tend to support Hispanics...and are concerned to have a government that will work to resolve the plight of the illegals who are working here....without rounding them up and driving back across the border like cattle. Realize, these people didnt come here just to make you miserable.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:12 AM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
    southbeach1500 saidRuling boosts Obama in battle for Hispanic vote

    Just thinking about this.... How? Are illegal immigrant Hispanics allowed to vote?

    Do most Hispanic American citizens support illegal immigration?

    Section 2b of the law was upheld by the court.

    I think Hispanics tend to support Hispanics...and are concerned to have a government that will work to resolve the plight of the illegals who are working here....without rounding them up and driving back across the border like cattle. Realize, these people didnt come here just to make you miserable.


    That sounds very racist to me. Support a group of people because of their race and not a principle?

    In my experience Hispanic citizens who went through the proper avenues are not in favor of illegal immigration.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidIn my experience ....


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    Jun 26, 2012 2:54 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Caslon19000 said
    southbeach1500 saidRuling boosts Obama in battle for Hispanic vote

    Just thinking about this.... How? Are illegal immigrant Hispanics allowed to vote?

    Do most Hispanic American citizens support illegal immigration?

    Section 2b of the law was upheld by the court.

    I think Hispanics tend to support Hispanics...and are concerned to have a government that will work to resolve the plight of the illegals who are working here....without rounding them up and driving back across the border like cattle. Realize, these people didnt come here just to make you miserable.



    Here in Miami, the Cuban community is overall supportive of the AZ law and quite against illegal immigration. Perhaps Cubans are "different" then....


    And I guess that would make Marco Rubio, a man you voted for, even more different. He said he would enter the U.S. illegally to make a better life for himself and his family.
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:57 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidRuling boosts Obama in battle for Hispanic vote

    Just thinking about this.... How? Are illegal immigrant Hispanics allowed to vote?

    Do most Hispanic American citizens support illegal immigration?

    Section 2b of the law was upheld by the court.


    You'll be shocked to learn that legal, tax-paying American citizens who happen to be of Hispanic descent do not like being treated like criminals -- stopped, questioned, and detained because they have brown skin. They tend to take a dim view of right-wing politicians who support laws that demean them.
    Just as most self-respecting gay Americans do not support the party that treats them like second-class citizens.
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    Jun 26, 2012 6:16 AM GMT
    Mitt Romney got fucked by this decision.

    The ruling today has angered Latino Americans and will ensure a heavy turnout of Latino voters.

    Poor Mitt is only getting 25% of the Latino vote now.
    His shifty weasely response to this ruling makes Mitt look like shit and if anything he'll lose more Latino votes.

    Mitt needs 40% of the Latino vote to have any chance of winning in November.
    It seems nearly impossible for him to get from 25% to 40% given all the extreme rhetoric he's spewed and his "self-deportation" stance.

    As I said - Mitt Romney is fucked.
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    Jun 26, 2012 12:26 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidIn my experience ....


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    Aww that's cute you think because your older you can brush off an intellectual rebuttal that actually makes complete and logical sense. So your ignorant and ageist...headliner for America's downfall its Cashion1900.

    Mocktwinkie thank you for proving that all it takes is a little common sense to make an argument rather than rude "kid-like" retaliation when a counter statement is impossible.

    And to continue the argument, in actuality, most who support illegal immigration do not see illegals as cattle and want to ship them back what they want is for people to do it legally, hence the prefix.

    And yes most of them do make it miserable for me...Do you know how expensive it is for a person my age to get health insurance while the money I pay in taxes goes to treat some of these people for FREE?


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    Jun 26, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
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    Caslon19000 said
    mocktwinkie saidIn my experience ....


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    Aww that's cute you think because your older you can brush off an intellectual rebuttal that actually makes complete and logical sense. So your ignorant and ageist...headliner for America's downfall its Cashion1900.


    Aww that's cute. You think because you're older you can brush off an intellectual rebuttal that actually makes complete and logical sense. So you're ignorant and ageist [I didn't say anything about his age.]...headliner for America's downfall its [???] Cashion1900 [Who?].



    Mocktwinkie thank you for proving that all it takes is a little common sense to make an argument rather than rude "kid-like" retaliation when a counter statement is impossible.

    And to continue the argument, in actuality, most who support illegal immigration do not see illegals as cattle and want to ship them back [I wouldn't think SUPPORTERS of illegal immigration would. icon_lol.gif] what they want is for people to do it legally, hence the prefix.

    And yes most of them do make it miserable for me...Do you know how expensive it is for a person my age to get health insurance while the money I pay in taxes goes to treat some of these people for FREE?



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    Jun 26, 2012 1:22 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
    Sfdubleu said
    Caslon19000 said
    mocktwinkie saidIn my experience ....


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    Aww that's cute you think because your older you can brush off an intellectual rebuttal that actually makes complete and logical sense. So your ignorant and ageist...headliner for America's downfall its Cashion1900.


    Aww that's cute. You think because you're older you can brush off an intellectual rebuttal that actually makes complete and logical sense. So you're ignorant and ageist [I didn't say anything about his age.]...headliner for America's downfall its [???] Cashion1900 [Who?].



    Mocktwinkie thank you for proving that all it takes is a little common sense to make an argument rather than rude "kid-like" retaliation when a counter statement is impossible.

    And to continue the argument, in actuality, most who support illegal immigration do not see illegals as cattle and want to ship them back [I wouldn't think SUPPORTERS of illegal immigration would. icon_lol.gif] what they want is for people to do it legally, hence the prefix.

    And yes most of them do make it miserable for me...Do you know how expensive it is for a person my age to get health insurance while the money I pay in taxes goes to treat some of these people for FREE?



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    Unfortunately for you, caviling at his spelling/grammar doesn't change anything for your case. The argument is as morally bankrupt as it was before.
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    Jun 26, 2012 1:54 PM GMT
    Yes you are right you did not say anything about his age I am sorry for inferring what your picture meant although the intent was quite obvious.

    And the second was quite a bad slip up but the point is still clear and yet all you can do is attempt to belittle me with a ridiculous picture...good comeback and thanks for being a respectably mature adult...
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    Jun 26, 2012 1:56 PM GMT
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    And yes most of them do make it miserable for me...Do you know how expensive it is for a person my age to get health insurance while the money I pay in taxes goes to treat some of these people for FREE?


    I guess mommy and daddy dumped you huh? Its no wonder as to why..

    Oh.. and 'SF' is in northern calif.. cypress is a really crappy area of OC..

    Dont worry.. I got who/what you are from the first post I saw from you.
    You aint fooling anyone here.

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    Jun 26, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
    The problem with the dysfunctional republican party is called OVERREACH

    They can't stop themselves from being the irrational radical party that they are
    They complain that they are being tagged wrongly when people say they are waging a war on women
    and YET they sponsor too many bills against women's sexual issues to count
    and scuttle the Lilly Ledbetter act that would guarrantee equal pay

    They say they are good for the latino voter but they then turn around and pass legislation that would make walking on the street as a Hispanic dangerous

    Then they wonder why young people are keeping away from the republican party in droves when they are holding the student loan rates hostage just like they did the US Budget last year and they are horrendous on all social issues as well

    Remember when people used to say It's Not you? It's YOU
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    Jun 26, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said The argument is as morally bankrupt as it was before.

    Huh? I didn't make a moral case in my post. I said how I thought the Hispanic population would respond.

    Could you two, please try to respond to what is being said and not what's going on in your fevered little brains.

    And since I'm addressing you, just what is the experience you claim to have as a basis for your statement?
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    Jun 26, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said The argument is as morally bankrupt as it was before.

    Huh? I didn't make a moral case in my post. I said how I thought the Hispanic population would respond.

    Could you two, please try to respond to what is being said and not what's going on in your fevered little brains.

    And since I'm addressing you, just what is the experience you claim to have as a basis for your statement?


    Oh, so you disagree with how you believe they will respond to this measure? Why all the gestures clearly putting you on the side of pro-illegal immigration? Why all the obvious excitement if your real intention is to decry how morally wrong it is to stand with people simply for their race and not their actions?

    As far as experience, I know more than several people (including my hispanic parent) who are very much against illegal immigration. Of course, they went through the proper channels for citizenship. If you provide amnesty to some then it makes a mockery of the system and of those who have followed the proper guidelines. One could endlessly appeal to emotion in order to paint a case favorable to that which results in national chaos.

    The only people making this about race are the ones sympathetic to lawlessness in order to advance a particular agenda. Liberals like you would try to make a landlord feel guilty for kicking out a tenant because the tenant endlessly has financial difficulty and will not pay rent. Is the landlord cruel for giving the poor tenant an eviction notice? After all, what if the tenant had a health crisis? Should the tenant to remain living there as a charity case even though they cannot support the rent? What if that puts the landlord in a financial difficulty and in a position unable to feed their own family? It's not as simple as "oh let's just let everyone in because they just want a better life". Of course they do and no one intends to ignore the hardships that many families endure every day throughout the world. If it could be fixed by waving a wand we would.

    We can all feel sorry for the millions of people in the world who are in an unfortunate plight, but how does creating the same problem here improve the world? It doesn't, it's counter-productive.