Poison ivy

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    Jun 26, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    It's all over our farm. I brushed my arm against a set of clippers I was using the other day - I immediately went inside to wash, and caught the arm in time. But it was hot, I was sweating and I must have inadvertently wiped my forehead with my forearm in the meantime.

    Now I've got poison ivy on my forehead. Classy.

    Where is the strangest place you've ever gotten a poison ivy rash?
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    Jun 26, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
    Ouch, Showme! You need to kill the urushoil -- the oil which is actually causing the poison ivy. I've heard of an over-the-counter medicine called Tecnu that does wonders. You may know a better solution.

    Anyway, I've gotten poison ivy all over my back and ass before. It wasn't too long ago but it was when I was hiking alone. I took a tumble right into a poison ivy patch. Classy for me icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 26, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
    This is the only poison ivy I've ever seen

    Poison_Ivy_(Uma_Thurman)_7.jpg

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    Jun 26, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    Thankfully i am immune to it.. It doesn't affect me whatsoever.
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    Jun 26, 2012 9:03 PM GMT
    Josh1992 saidOuch, Showme! You need to kill the urushoil -- the oil which is actually causing the poison ivy. I've heard of an over-the-counter medicine called Tecnu that does wonders. You may know a better solution.

    Anyway, I've gotten poison ivy all over my back and ass before. It wasn't too long ago but it was when I was hiking alone. I took a tumble right into a poison ivy patch. Classy for me icon_lol.gif


    Once you're breaking out it's pretty much too late. I have a steroid cream I got from the derm a couple years ago for something else, it helps to kill the itch. But once I break out it lasts a couple weeks. I'm pissed off.

    TheGuyNextDoor saidImma thinkin' we need us a picture of this! That's gotta itch like crazy!!!


    Haha, I am not immortalizing this!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 26, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    Guess you can't have forehead sex.
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    Jun 26, 2012 10:10 PM GMT
    It doesn't grow around here. When I started grad school, I had no idea what it looked like, and now I've forgotten. Another guy and I started out the summer doing a stream survey in Michigan, which involved walking up an overgrown stream, climbing over logs, etc. Basically we wallowed in the stuff. My entire epidermis was saturated. I spent most of the next couple of weeks naked on my bunk, wallowing in lotion icon_rolleyes.gif

    We do have poison oak and poison sumac. I used to get it around my wrists and ankles and occasionally on my face, when working in the woods. (Like you, from wiping my face.) I used to scrub with rubbing alcohol when I came inside, but you really have to scrub, or it just moves the toxin out in a fan pattern. (Poison oak toxin is a wax.)

    Then I adopted two hyperactive little hyperaffectionate puppies. They'd run around in the underbrush all afternoon, then snuggle into my armpits for a nap. That chronic low dose seems to have desensitized me. I rarely get it any more. Maybe an isolated blister once in a while.

    My Grandma used to get it all over her body without even leaving the house, when it was growing. The only thing we could figure was she might have been getting it from the laundry. But she even washed her clothes separately.
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    Jun 26, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    showme saidWhere is the strangest place you've ever gotten a poison ivy rash?
    Growing up on a farm, I used to go skinny dipping in the creek behind the house.

    Take a wild guess where I got poison ivy? icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 26, 2012 10:22 PM GMT
    Get goats. They love eating the stuff.

    I used to not react to poison ivy, but after a summer of clearing it out, I started to get rashes. Apparently, you can have an immunity to it, but lose your immunity with repeated exposure.

    I never got it anywhere strange, but the worse reaction I had was on my face. I was pulling poison ivy vines down from the trees. When I went inside, I notice a black spot near my eye. For hours, I couldn't figure out what it was. Nothing would get it off. Finally, I peeled it off, taking some of my skin with it. Over the next few days, the side of my face swelled to the point of nearly swelling shut my eye. Turns out the black spot was sap that had stuck to my face.
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    Jun 26, 2012 10:42 PM GMT
    Currently have a touch on my left arm. I fucking hate poison ivy.

    Years of summercamp and hiking as a kid and all my friends got it except me so I figured I was immune and probably back then I was.

    More recently I bought a new property. It's hot and I'm tearing shirtless at vines along the perimeter fence and hadn't even thought of the possibility of PI. Later I notice these welts. I thought them scratches. I had company come to stay and see my new place and they kept commenting. The welts became more pronounced during my company's stay. It's all over me. Head to toe covered in it. Within a few days it starts to itch.

    I probably should have been hospitalized but I toughed it out. I forget how long, I think about two months for that itching to stop. That's the most intense itch I could imagine. I clipped my nails as short as I could so I wouldn't damage myself badly but wound up scabby anyway. Not pretty. I was popping antihistamines to sleep

    I read hot water releases the histamine from the skin so I tried that for temporary relief.

    Since then I've spent hours upon hours to get rid of that stuff. I've got about an acre and I've been over every square inch of it a number of times. At first I was finding about 30 plants every time I looked. After a year of this, the other week after our first good rains I found 17 plants in a week, down considerably but I want to get it down to near zero.

    I'm near a huge wilderness and probably the birds are dropping seeds. I can tell about how long a plant was in the ground by the bulb on it. I think I've got most of the mature ones and as I eventually mulch in the property I should be able to control the situation well enough. I want to get a dog but I'm nervous about it getting on his feet and him bringing it into the house where I'm often barefoot.

    Forget about sprays. They're bullshit. All they do is kill the PI on top of the ground, even though they advertise the root. They might destroy part of the root, but there's one type of PI with a bulb and I suspect that poison does nothing to the bulb because as much as I sprayed they kept coming up.

    For now I've got a PI spade and a PI garbage can in the garden and as soon as I spot one I stop whatever I'm doing and get rid of it. I handle that shit with more care than medical waste. The infection on my arm currently I think is from some oil that must have been on a shrub where I was gardening from back when I tore up the vines.

    Josh is right about the oil but I haven't heard of anything that stops it once you start itching. One thing misunderstood is that it doesn't spread once you've got it. sometimes it seems to spread but that's just areas originally contaminated but which hadn't kicked in yet.

    Oh, and here's an important step which I wasn't aware of when I first got it. Wash with soap but DONOT WASH WITH HOT WATER when originally contaminated. Use only cold to get the oil off because hot water opens the pores and allows more of the oil inside your skin DOH!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urushiol
    Scientific Quote: "Nasty shit stays stable for about five fucking years."

    found along my fence
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    PI dug up showing bulb
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    Jun 26, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidImma thinkin' we need us a picture of this! That's gotta itch like crazy!!!

    Seconded. Sounds like the perfect new display picture! Show us your pizza face!
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    Jun 26, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
    On my neck, try wearing a t-shirt with that bullshit icon_evil.gif

    But a friend told me to use a blow dryer to dry it out.

    Worked wonders icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 27, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    i got poison oak in a cut... was itching for weeks
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    Jun 27, 2012 12:13 AM GMT
    Growing up, I know a girl who went to the bathroom outside......and wiped with poison ivy. Possibly that was a rumor, but if not.....yikes!
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    Jun 27, 2012 3:00 AM GMT
    in b4 JP

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    Jun 27, 2012 3:17 AM GMT
    When I was a kid I had to jump off a railway embankment to avoid an oncoming train. Me and two buddies landed in a huge patch. The fourth jumped to the other side and was fine. I got it all over my face, neck and arms. Adding insult to injury it wasnt long before it ended up on my crotch after peeing. Who knew the stuff could spread!icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif
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    Jun 27, 2012 3:24 AM GMT
    Ugh, that sucks. I'm really allergic, too, and just getting over a rash on my forehead, and nose & neck. Got it from my dog. Yes, we cuddle a lot icon_smile.gif

    My worst case: between my fingers, so bad that I looked like I had webbed hands. And it was the week before I started college icon_rolleyes.gif

    "Hi, nice to meet you. I'm frog boy. No, let's not shake, umkay?"

    Ugh.
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    Jun 27, 2012 3:37 AM GMT
    Crotch.
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    Jun 27, 2012 3:52 AM GMT
    Re:eradication.
    Poison oak grows from runners underground, and spreads in big patches (although sometimes they can climb up a pine tree.) So you can't really dig it up. I've killed it off around the buildings, ("yard" area) but the only way I've found is to hit it with a tank mix of roundup and 2,4-D in the spring, while it's actively growing. This kills everything it touches, obviously, so it's important to replant some kind of shrub in the fall as soon as the rains moisten things up. To prevent the PO from growing back in from the perimeter. Or worse yet, blackberries. Because this is a sort of nuclear approach, I didn't try to do the whole landscape in one year. Maybe 20 yards each year.
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    Jun 27, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    Got poison oak pretty badly once on a hike in the mountains, and of course it got into my crotch when I took a leak. Came home and did the wrong thing..........getting into a hot bath to scrub it off with Lava soap. Wrong thing to do! Ended up even putting Clorox on it, which felt good in a sadistic way. Finally got over it.
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    Jun 27, 2012 4:09 AM GMT
    We could never eradicate it totally. It grows everywhere. We have some trees so covered they look like poison ivy trees, the vines having been there so long they're embedded in the trunks where you can't cut them. Huge patches of the stuff in the brush, which we beat back with Roundup (well, generic glycophosphate from Tractor Supply). The pastures at the edge of the woods are full of little plants. The best I can do is to avoid, wash in cold water with "poison ivy soap" after known exposure, and treat when I get it. Which is a big chunk of the summer. Usually just a few spots here and there, though. icon_cry.gif

    Oh, and what is not poison ivy is blackberries and honeysuckle.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:52 AM GMT
    Just be glad you didn't get it bad like this guy..

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    Jun 27, 2012 6:56 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidThis is the only poison ivy I've ever seen

    Poison_Ivy_(Uma_Thurman)_7.jpg

    Yay city living


    Its pretty sad that I though this was the forum topic. god I'm sucha loser.
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    Jun 27, 2012 8:10 AM GMT
    I work for a municipal parks dept. so dealing with poison ivy is part of my job. We generally try to avoid it but if we're working around it we use these:

    http://www.killmypoisonivy.com/products.htm

    The pre-contact towelettes work very well as a prophylatic- I've never gotten a case when using them though you still need to exercise caution.

    There are also some OTC products that are supposed to help minimize the effects and duration of symptoms. Expensive but might be worth it, ask your pharmacist.

    When we need to try and eradicate it we do it in the winter. Preferably on a cold day w/o a lot of snow on the ground. The theory is the urushiol is mostly frozen and therefore less likely to spread. We clean our tools with rubbing alcohol afterwards to remove the oils.

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    Jun 27, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    Just one found during today's PI patrol.

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    The bulb is smaller than on the previous pic so this one hasn't been growing for as many seasons. You an also see right above the bulb (visible on prev pic also) where it had branched out prior to the new growth. I don't know if that was killed off from spray or duing the winter or by lawn mower.

    The bulb is normally a few inches below grade, so to dig, get under them or you wind up with just the upper part of the plant, leaving the bulb to regrow.

    I think you can kill it off the tree even though embedded. From what I've seen, they seem to get nutrients from the vine, not from the rootlike structures holding onto the tree. So probably you only need one cut per vine to kill above the cut. Leave the dead stuff alone for 5 or more years. Then poison the crap out of green leaves towards its base and hope to kill the roots.

    I had one on a neighbor's tree alongside my fence simiilar to what you describe, but just one vine going partway up, not into the canopy. With permission I poisoned. I soaked that bitch repeatedly. The poison seemed to work as a year later I haven't seen it grow back. Could just be that the poison is hit and miss? Or maybe it works better on the nonbulb plants. Don't know. It could be that the ones that are so good at climbing don't have the bulb but that the bulb might just be on the leggy variety. I'm not sure about that.

    But I would definitely try to kill the PI on trees. Otherwise you are manufacturing more of it.

    For the little plants on the ground, I think these can be gotten under control, especially if they are the bulbous type. I have both types but more of the ones with bulbs. Mostly I am finding little plants which have been growing for years. I find very few new ones so I think this is such a problem now because it was never handled before. It takes a lot of work and early on it seems insurmountable but I see good results.

    What I find disturbing is that even though I'm near wilderness, this is also an intown lot, yet the residents just let this shit grow while their kids play in the yards. I guess that makes it a rash of stupidity.