Is the increased amount of "raw" porn a promotion of unprotected sex

  • Fact

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    Jun 27, 2012 5:59 AM GMT
    I realize before most of the videos that start they have a disclosure stating that this video does not promote unprotected sex but in reality the popularity of unprotected sex in porn has increased exponentially i've noticed and even if unknowingly i feel that in a way its promoting unprotected sex making it seem harmless and fun when in reality it can be the scariest thing in life for some. thoughts?
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    Jun 27, 2012 7:05 AM GMT
    I've noticed that as well. I think it's wrong to promote unhealthy sexual behavior especially raw unprotected sex. I also have issue with sites that promote porn with straight guys. I just don't think we should be constantly fantasizing over straight men; that's one of our main problems! The good news is that in most porn I've watched, the guy is using a condom.
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    Jun 27, 2012 1:19 PM GMT
    I don't consider this a problem at all. Consenting adults will do what they will. BB porn allows one to see a fantasy most of us don't go out and do. Yes, the models are at risk but they are ADULTS and have gone through rigorous test and such. Seancody for one does this and has moved on to BB porn to appeal to the growing audience.

    Straight porn has been bareback for much longer than gay porn, they're not treated as dirty as gay men/gay for pay. I feel that if you like the fantasy of BB feel free to watch the porn, if not stay away.
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    Jun 27, 2012 1:22 PM GMT
    Watch straight porn, they never use a condom, almost ever.
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    Jun 27, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    Defenseon saidWatch straight porn, they never use a condom, almost ever.


    I always wondered why straight men love the damn woman squealing like a stuck pig...the fuck is wrong with people. Ahh, ahh! AHHHH! yes, we get it.
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    Jun 27, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    Like, omg, these posters are so right! Because straight people do it we should, like, totally do it too! Its not like there are things that happened to gay men from having unprotected sex in the past!

    You know what? My straight friends will have unprotected sex with strangers, so I should too! Because, like, straight people totally do it and being straight is the standard to be achieved for, like, everyone who is gay because being gay is so, like, wrong.

    Seriously guys, there is a reason why the HIV infection rate for 20 year olds is INCREASING and not DECREASING, and it is because of shit like this. BB is wrong. There I said it. It is wrong that porn companies do not advocate safe sex and make safe sex look sexy.

    BB porn is disgusting. Seeing someone stick their dick in another man's ass with no protection on turns me off, big time. The fact that it is both growing in popularity and more and more people are defending them is a very very troubling sign for our society.
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    Jun 27, 2012 1:55 PM GMT
    BambinoRex saidcompanies will make whatever products sell in the current market

    if bacon porn would sell, you'd see people covered in bacon

    if you're old enough to fuck, you're old enough to make your own decisions and live with the consequences.

    or maybe you should blame "fast and the furious" next time you want out of a speeding ticket.....


    I disagree. Companies, while focusing on profits, should also pay attention to their ethics. A perfect example are credit card companies. They target people who have issues with paying debt because they make so much on their missed payment charges and interest even thought it causes distraught to the individual who has it.

    People have poor impulse control, and companies should try to do good not just make a profit.
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    Jun 27, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
    porn is the business of selling fantasy.
    where ever there is a fantasy, there is a market for the porn industry.

    lets be clear and sex-positive: there is nothing morally wrong with wanting or being turned on by natural sex. there is nothing wrong with two adults agreeing to engage in sex together, the way that they want to do it. "unsafe" sex is sex that is conducted without thought, without care, and without concern for others. people can choose protection if they want, or not -- as long as they come to a mutual agreement, i don't see a problem with it.

    the problem is that there are people who (for whatever reason) don't communicate their health status to their partners - this is morally reprehensible (regardless if its HIV, herpes, hepatitis, warts, gonorrhea, etc). know your health status, and disclose it to your potential sex partners. people will appreciate the maturity and openness to talk about it. yes, sometimes there will be rejection, but you're an adult - you can deal with it, and there will be other opportunities.

    the other problem is when people use pornography for sex education - which it is not designed for. this is especially a problem for young people who don't have access to better sex education because adults are ashamed to talk about it, schools are prevented from talking about it, and non-secular (religious) teaching suggests that its sinful. all these things push sex and sexuality underground, make it taboo to talk about, and shameful to engage in. and the more dangerous and underground it is, the more desirable it becomes... and so the cycle of unsafe sex continues.
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    Jun 27, 2012 2:09 PM GMT
    two words that should never be in the same sentence, ethics and porn
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    Jun 27, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    BambinoRex saidre: Chainers

    that might be true in a different market, but the commercial porn market is contracting fast because of competition from free sites

    unless there is a financial incentive to "ethical" behavior, they can't afford to do it.... their products will gather dust

    companies will try to "do good" if appearing to "do good" will help them make money.

    credit card companies "help" customers because they want to keep them in the debt cycle.


    It's not true in the credit card industry. These companies target those who have poor impulse control and know they can take in the money. They shouldn't ethically allow them to have a credit card because it can ruin Theo lives and that of their family but they do. With no regard to the individuals health.

    The more companies that refuse to use condoms, or don't, further perpetuate the idea that sex with a condom isn't sexy or hot, which is absurd. I'm shocked at the percentage of people out here in Montana who hit me up for sex withou a condom. So far I've had to force all of them to use one. It's really bad for the community.
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    Jun 27, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    It's definitely a sexual fantasy, and in some ways it has reached the point where it is almost taboo...and I can't lie, it is really hot to watch...

    I do think that it sends the wrong message that unprotected sex is "okay" though, and do not think that just because people see it in a porn, that they should emulate it in their lives.
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    Jun 27, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    Better to watch it in a porn than doing it with a random stranger?
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    Jun 27, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    It's only a problem if you're an idiot who uncritically apes anything you see on the internet.
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    Jun 27, 2012 4:45 PM GMT


    It's advertising, and advertising works, just ask any company that sinks billions into getting you to buy what they want you to. icon_wink.gif

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    Jun 27, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
    Larkin saidIt's only a problem if you're an idiot who uncritically apes anything you see on the internet.

    BINGO

    If you have an education and you know the extreme risks of having unsafe sex, yet you choose to have it just because of bareback porn...

    I actually think the rise of HIV has a lot to do with the internet, but not necessarily porn. I think the popularity of hookup apps, craigslist, adam4adam and the like allow for such quick easy encounters with people and I think that ties into it. Younger people seem to be very complacent these days. I've met a few people with HIV and guess how old they were? 19 and 20 respectively. WEIRD.

    I qualify as young too at 25, but I guess for me, I grew up watching lots of MTV in the 90s and all they ever talked about was safe sex, plus sex ed was a major fixture at school (is it still?!), so it's ingrained in my brain. I've always been aware. Sure, bareback is a hot fantasy in a perfect utopia, but reality is pretty ugly in its danger.

    In the past I have barebacked in a relationship after getting tested with him, but now I'm even opposed to doing that. Condoms are mandatory for me.
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    Jun 27, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
    Is a condom really so distracting that certain segments of the gay audience are turning to movies that fetishize not just possible but probable infection on camera?

    Even under a mantle of pseudo-Libertarian bullshit, that's really hard to defend. I mean, should you make money off of anything just because there's a consumer base for it?

    Also, the whole porn is just fantasy meme is without legs. What you're seeing onscreen is most certainly real, and the men who turn to condom-free porn often populate this porn underworld full of drug addicts, risk-takers without fear responses, and sex addicts.

    Cartoons are fantasy; when Wile E. Coyote falls off a cliff or gets crushed by an anvil, he lives to chase another day, but that zany logic doesn't apply to this mortal coil.
  • Hothouse

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    Jun 27, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    The producers of porn are out to make money. Period.
    If there is an increasing amount of BB porn out there, then it only stands to reason that it's making money for the studios.
    Porn studios may add a "safe sex" message in their vids, but bottom line is they will produce what is legal to produce and what makes the most money.
    So, there's an obvious market for it.
    If you're stupid enough to go out and do something without considering the risk, just because you saw it in a video, then you're pretty damn stupid.
    Porn is fantasy. There are a lot of aspects of a porn vid that are far from reality. If you enjoy it - watch, if not, don't.
    I really don't think that the producers of BB porn are advocating or promoting unsafe sexual practices. I also don't think they care all that much what the people who watch their films do in their private lives. What they care about is producing a product that makes the studio money.
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    Jun 27, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
    It's them, not me, so I'm safe. What porn star (who's had unprotected sex) would fuck me? I never have to worry about them.

    Now what really offends me are the pizza delivery boy scenarios in gay porn. Really? The guy with those abs eats pizza?
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    Jun 27, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidIt's them, not me, so I'm safe. What porn star (who's had unprotected sex) would fuck me? I never have to worry about them.

    Now what really offends me are the pizza delivery boy scenarios in gay porn. Really? The guy with those abs eats pizza?


    Actually, I can attest from firsthand knowledge, they do.
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    Jun 27, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    Chainers saidLike, omg, these posters are so right! Because straight people do it we should, like, totally do it too! Its not like there are things that happened to gay men from having unprotected sex in the past!

    You know what? My straight friends will have unprotected sex with strangers, so I should too! Because, like, straight people totally do it and being straight is the standard to be achieved for, like, everyone who is gay because being gay is so, like, wrong.

    Seriously guys, there is a reason why the HIV infection rate for 20 year olds is INCREASING and not DECREASING, and it is because of shit like this. BB is wrong. There I said it. It is wrong that porn companies do not advocate safe sex and make safe sex look sexy.

    BB porn is disgusting. Seeing someone stick their dick in another man's ass with no protection on turns me off, big time. The fact that it is both growing in popularity and more and more people are defending them is a very very troubling sign for our society.


    Sort of yes, sort of no. In our education system, when it comes to sex ed, I voluntarily placed myself in an abstinence-based health class. Coincidentally there were a lot of preggers people in my high school years down the road, and homosexuality was never discussed because it was basically a compromise for the many religious people in our school. Our teacher even straight up said that anal sex ruins your colon and that it's not real sex. My point is though that sex education in this country is not very well taught in general, especially for those who are gay. Even in well-educated Minnesota. I learned more about contraception in social studies than I did in health class in middle school. (I mean who could forget pictures of condoms flying around on a webpage lmao) So when people turn to barebacking porn as a way to get off, they can get the idea that it's okay to not use a condom when it comes to sexy time since you can't get pregnant, but STDs are like the Spanish Inquisition- nobody ever expects them.

    I may be wrong but that's my two cents.
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    Jun 27, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    Not necessarily, but it does show that people are clearly becoming more interested in pushing the envelope and seeing more taboos broken. They may not be willing to risk their health but they want to see it being done with others. Notice the recent HIV positive cases in the porn industry. Clearly people's visual appetites are for riskier and kinkier behavior. I doubt it translates into their personal lives. If we look at the straight porn industry and the new niche categories of older women and younger men, anal, etc its clear this has more to do with pushing envelopes than personal practices.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    Fact saidIs the increased amount of "raw" porn a promotion of unprotected sex
    No, it's a sign of what sells the best.

    And let's be honest...every man who enjoys anal sex (gay or straight) prefers it raw. Since it's not safe to do it that way, they go for the next best thing...watching it raw.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    BambinoRex saidit's my experience that the "do gooder" lecturing you about how you "should" live your life according to their judgement is really working out their own issues and the person most likely to be breaking the "rules" they try to enforce on others

    don't drink and drive is a good message because it victims of drunk drivers can't give consent

    don't fuck raw assumes a police state mentality over the decisions of others who are adults and can make their own decisions



    You should really talk to a lot of people who survived the aids epidemic that we went through...maybe then you will understand what the issue is.

    No one has said that barebacking should be illegal. We said it is wrong for porn companies to promote BB by showing it in these videos. People want movies with others bbing and think "oh yea, that is hot" then all of a sudden they can't get a hard dick with a condom on. Yea, that's an issue (and one I have encountered here many times.)

    So go ahead and fling your childish insults all you want Rex, but until you know where we have been as a community, I wouldn't really trust you with where you think we should go.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    jackrabbit108 saidNot necessarily, but it does show that people are clearly becoming more interested in pushing the envelope and seeing more taboos broken. They may not be willing to risk their health but they want to see it being done with others. Notice the recent HIV positive cases in the porn industry. Clearly people's visual appetites are for riskier and kinkier behavior. I doubt it translates into their personal lives. If we look at the straight porn industry and the new niche categories of older women and younger men, anal, etc its clear this has more to do with pushing envelopes than personal practices.


    What HIV cases? I've only read about one that was gay-related, in which the guy claimed to have gotten it through oral sex (from someone he says was known to the producers as HIV+.)
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:39 PM GMT
    Larkin saidIt's only a problem if you're an idiot who uncritically apes anything you see on the internet.


    Have any of you met many everyday college aged gays? They are CLUELESS about sexual safety. It's really astounding. I've noted, in over a decade of working on a college campus, a serious uptick in the number of students who reveal they are positive and worse, admit they got it from drunken sex. (Usually with older men who should know better!) But given that sex ed has been gutted in this country the past 15 years, it's no surprise.

    But as I mentioned it isn't just young guys. I encounter a lot of men my age and 10+ who have abandoned safe sex practices for the once forbidden post-HIV taboo thrill of condomless sex. Their reasoning varies wildly, though none of it boils down to any common sense.

    The whole thing is ridiculous and really has NOTHING to do with "bareback porn." Porn is rarely an innovator of practice or fantasy, but rather a reflection of a society's outer fringe of sexual mores.