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Bustamante said

pocketnico saidOut of curiosity, are there similar laws in other parts of the world? I'm curious to know where else circumcision is a significant debate. Looks like I'll have to do a bit of googling tonight!

It's a big deal anywhere religion is involved. In Mexico my cousin Luis Angel says it's not very common place at all, rare even.

Oh, I know. I'm just interested in knowing if other countries are debating the legal status of circumcision (or criminalizing it, rather).

Bustamante said

k3l3k0 said

Dallasfan824 saidLotsa head cheese in Germany now.

*vomits* fuck man! that's nasty haha
I take it you've had an unfortunate encounter with an unclean uncut guy? I have too... not cool
just... please keep it clean if you're uncut. For the love of God.

I think the consensus is uncut = head cheese while cut = pristine, sorry that is not true.

Oh I know that's not the case for everyone but I'm just saying... that *is* the case for some guys unfortunately. I've experienced it first-hand

Somewhat moar srsly:

My own belief is that circumcision should be a matter left up to the man so affected (unless there is some sort of emergency or critical situation where removing the skin should be done on a non-consenting infant or child).

As a religious item, that really shouldn't be something the state steps into. Nobody is being truly harmed here, aside from a trade-off in the sensitivity of the glans penis for ease of cleaning (as well as anecdotal support that cut barebacking tops have less risk for contracting HIV than uncut bareback tops).

Bustamante said

pocketnico saidOut of curiosity, are there similar laws in other parts of the world? I'm curious to know where else circumcision is a significant debate. Looks like I'll have to do a bit of googling tonight!

It's a big deal anywhere religion is involved. In Mexico my cousin Luis Angel says it's not very common place at all, rare even.

I hate to break it to you, but it's rare in Mexico because it's an expensive medical procedure.

Let's just say that Mexicans aren't known for being forward-thinking people.

Yeah, I know it's stereotyping, but it's absolutely true.

credo said

Bustamante said

pocketnico saidOut of curiosity, are there similar laws in other parts of the world? I'm curious to know where else circumcision is a significant debate. Looks like I'll have to do a bit of googling tonight!

It's a big deal anywhere religion is involved. In Mexico my cousin Luis Angel says it's not very common place at all, rare even.

I hate to break it to you, but it's rare in Mexico because it's an expensive medical procedure.

Let's just say that Mexicans aren't known for being forward-thinking people.

Yeah, I know it's stereotyping, but it's absolutely true.

whoa really?

Uh, most of the world is full of uncut dicks. Uncut is the norm pretty much everywhere but the US. Jews and Muslims are among the more visible advocates of circumcision.

pocketnico saidUh, most of the world is full of uncut dicks. Uncut is the norm pretty much everywhere but the US. Jews and Muslims are among the more visible advocates of circumcision.

I'm sure many of these circumcision advocates will be in shock after reading that Nico.

Bustamante said

k3l3k0 said

Dallasfan824 saidLotsa head cheese in Germany now.

*vomits* fuck man! that's nasty haha
I take it you've had an unfortunate encounter with an unclean uncut guy? I have too... not cool
just... please keep it clean if you're uncut. For the love of God.

I think the consensus is uncut = head cheese while cut = pristine, sorry that is not true.

Of course it isn't true in all cases, but I have enough first-hand case studies in my back pocket to win this debate. The bottom line: back when I was single, it was true in enough cases (from Los Angeles to Columbus, OH, and NYC) that I ended up taking all uncut guys to the shower before I went near their cocks.

Bustamante said

pocketnico saidUh, most of the world is full of uncut dicks. Uncut is the norm pretty much everywhere but the US. Jews and Muslims are among the more visible advocates of circumcision.

I'm sure many of these circumcision advocates will be in shock after reading that Nico.

I mean, if anyone has some stigma against uncut dicks, they're pretty much eliminating a good chunk of guys they could've had!

Not an expert on this, so will defer to more knowledgeable RJ members, but one consequence of this decision may be far reaching.

It will be the finding of a minimum age at which boys of sound mind in Germany can consent to circumcision if they want too. Will this be 8, 10 , 12?

I was circumsized shortly after birth, not for anything religious, and am fine with it.

I have thought if I was a Father, and had a son, what would I do? My best thoughts so far would be to wait until I could explain to my son the options, and let him make the choice I would think the timing should be before he reached puberty, as getting erections while healing would be painful.

I think he would be the happiest having made an informed decision himself.

I think religious communities will be able to adjust easily. I have a Jewish friend and attended the circumcision of his first son, at a "Bris". For a later son of his, the boys penis needed some corrective surgery, so there was no "Bris" at 8 days, and I heard the comment "Judaism is a practical religion".

Thus I bet German Jewish/Muslim boys will still be Jewish/Muslim, and once they reach the age of decision, they can make the decision. Maybe it will be a special day in July when school is out, and all will be done together, and they will heal together / bond. I've seen a documentary on African boys who go through this together at I think 12/13.

I think boys making their own informed decision will be an improvement over doing it without their consent.

Expanding to a different area, I also feel baptism should be with informed consent vs without. Some religions guilt the parents into baptizing the children before the child can reason. And once baptized ......

I'm not German or plan to have children in Germany, so I don't care.

k3l3k0 said

Bustamante said

k3l3k0 said

Dallasfan824 saidLotsa head cheese in Germany now.

*vomits* fuck man! that's nasty haha
I take it you've had an unfortunate encounter with an unclean uncut guy? I have too... not cool
just... please keep it clean if you're uncut. For the love of God.

I think the consensus is uncut = head cheese while cut = pristine, sorry that is not true.

Oh I know that's not the case for everyone but I'm just saying... that *is* the case for some guys unfortunately. I've experienced it first-hand

If anything could end my blond fetish, it's the reports that many uncut men in Germany have head cheese.

I think that people whether cut or uncut should leave derogatory comments to themselves. It just shows how ignorant you are. Like Thumper's mother said If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

Actually, this is quite funny that the German courts ruled this because a German research group found that circumcised men are 15% less likely to develop prostate cancer.

It may be a religious practice, but it still reaps many health benefits for those who are cut. Calling it "mutilation" is completely outlandish and ignorant.

Female circumcision on the other hand...

credo said

paulflexes said

credo saidReferring to a cut man's penis as mutilated or deformed is hilarious. I get the feeling that more than a few of you uncut men are a bit jealous of your cut brothers' beautiful tools.

You haters can go ahead and walk around with some smelly, smegma-coated foreskin covering the head of your tool. Personally, I prefer to keep kosher.

Flame on, bitches!

I'm cut, and don't mind it. But it would have been nice to let that decision be mine instead of others deciding for me.

Yeah, I can understand how parents making decisions for their children can be considered intrusive.

A parent shouldn't be able to decide when to feed and clothe their child, or wipe their ass, or take them to the doctor when they're ill, or make sure they're educated. It should be up to the child to make these decisions. Parents shouldn't pave any path for their child's physical or emotional well being.

You can't compare providing the necessities of life with what is, in the majority of cases, an elective surgical procedure done for perceived aesthetic and/or religious reasons. Your hatred of foreskin is clear, but don't let it cloud the logic of your statements.

I don't want to get involved in all the crazy B.S. surrounding this topic. I'll just add my $0.02. I've always found circumcision to be a strange practice. I'm not butthurt that I was cut, but it's unsettling that it was my parents' decision to alter my anatomy for very questionable reasons. The medical benefits are debatable. It should also be noted that part of the reason the practice was encouraged in the U.S. was to curb masturbation. It was a deliberate attempt to desensitize boys, and there's no question that it alters the sensitivity in men.

I've been with both cut and uncut men, and as long as they are clean, I have no preference.

The bottom line is that I don't think it should be up to the parents to decide, unless it's medically necessary for some reason.

C'mon Sb1500.

This here troll thread has yer name practically etched on it.

I can think of 20 countries off the top of my head where circumcision of male infants is not a common practice and yet they have much better health than your average male American.

Male circumcision is on the same level of genital mutilation of females in order to reduce libido. Both have their risk and barbaric justifications.

AlphaTrigger saidC'mon Sb1500.

This here troll thread has yer name practically etched on it.

It doesn't involve anti-Dem or pro-Rep so he's not interested.

charlitos saidI can think of 20 countries off the top of my head where circumcision of male infants is not a common practice and yet they have much better health than your average male American.

Male circumcision is on the same level of genital mutilation of females in order to reduce libido. Both have their risk and barbaric justifications.

Good luck trying to beat that into the heads of those who think uncut men are just packing a wheel of Brie in their pants. If that's the case than no more latino men for you gents.

Bustamante said

charlitos saidI can think of 20 countries off the top of my head where circumcision of male infants is not a common practice and yet they have much better health than your average male American.

Male circumcision is on the same level of genital mutilation of females in order to reduce libido. Both have their risk and barbaric justifications.

Good luck trying to beat that into the heads of those who think uncut men are just packing a wheel of Brie in their pants. If that's the case than no more latino men for you gents.

Pretty much eliminates the idea of whoring around Europe too

pocketnico said

Bustamante said

charlitos saidI can think of 20 countries off the top of my head where circumcision of male infants is not a common practice and yet they have much better health than your average male American.

Male circumcision is on the same level of genital mutilation of females in order to reduce libido. Both have their risk and barbaric justifications.

Good luck trying to beat that into the heads of those who think uncut men are just packing a wheel of Brie in their pants. If that's the case than no more latino men for you gents.

Pretty much eliminates the idea of whoring around Europe too

Dude! European men are so damn sexy, too! There was a student at Bellingham tech where I study and think he was Czech. He was nothing short of male perfection.

credo saidReferring to a cut man's penis as mutilated or deformed is hilarious. I get the feeling that more than a few of you uncut men are a bit jealous of your cut brothers' beautiful tools.

You haters can go ahead and walk around with some smelly, smegma-coated foreskin covering the head of your tool. Personally, I prefer to keep kosher.

Flame on, bitches!

Amen ! Amen Brother! I second your opinion.

German court bans religious circumcision

The World Union for Progressive Judaism, representing 1.8 million Jews in 45 countries and 1,200 communities on six continents around the world, expresses its shock and outrage at the recent German court decision outlawing the practice of circumcision on religious grounds. Since the rule of the Assyrian-Greek King Antiochus Epiphanes circa 165 BCE, various governments have imposed bans on circumcision in attempts to eliminate or delegitimize the practice of the Jewish religion. The fact that not 70 years after the Holocaust, Germany joins this ignominious company, is nothing less than shocking.

The notion that parents do not have the right to initiate their children into the sacred rites of their respective religions is an affront to human liberty. This is all the more true when the religious practice arguably has significant health benefits for the child.

The healthy lives led by millions upon millions of circumcised Jewish males over the course of history, renders the court's argument that circumcision causes irreparable bodily harm, absurd. In addition there is very strong medical evidence that there are significant health benefits to circumcision: Lower incidence of HIV, less risk of other urinary tract infections, less incidence of penile cancer, and far lower rates of cervical cancer among women whose sexual partners have been circumcised.

For 4000 years Jews have considered male circumcision an essential part of our Covenant with the Almighty. We urge the courts and the government of Germany to act with all due haste to reverse this decision and the fundamental threat it represents to the foundation of our religious beliefs.

Rabbi Stephen Lewis Fuchs, President

Michael Grabiner, Chair

Leslie Bergman, President, European Union for Progressive Judaism (EUPJ)

Dr. Philip Bliss, Chair of Advocacy Committee

Sonja Guentner, President, Union of Progressive Judaism (UPJ), Germany

CrankySpice said

WhyWhySee saidSpecifically must be infants?

Specifically on the 8th day of life.
It's in the Torah.

So is not sowing two types of seed in the same field and not wearing garments made to two fabrics (Lev 19:19). These gems come in the chapter after the gem that homosexuality is an abomination.

Anyway, I see circumcision as more a cultural issue. It´s part of jewish culture to circumcise, regardless of "religion". I don´t give a fuck about allowing religions to do their weird rites to others who have not consented, but I do care when a government tries to suppress a culture, especially when it´s a German government trying to suppress the Jewish culture.