Why Would Mary Cheney and GOProud Support Mitt Romney? They Believe He's a Liar

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    Jun 27, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    From Michelangelo Signorile on Huffington Post

    Late last week Mary Cheney married her long-time partner Heather Poe. They tied the knot in Washington, D.C., even though they don't live there. Their state, Virginia, is dominated by anti-gay Republicans of the kind Mary Cheney has donated money to. Those politicians have made Virginia a very hostile place to even live peacefully if you're gay (that is, if you're not enormously privileged, like Mary Cheney), let alone get married.

    So, Mary Cheney is happy to help elect anti-gay Republicans who make life miserable for gays. But wherever such Republicans are not elected and gay-friendly Democrats get in, she's happy to swoop in and enjoy the rights won by gay activists.

    Is there even a word to truly describe this kind of thing?

    Dick and Lynne Cheney put out a statement supporting their daughter, even though Cheney was vice president under a president who wanted to make gays second-class citizens in the U.S. Constitution by pushing a federal marriage amendment. You might say, "That was then," but Dick Cheney recently endorsed Mitt Romney, who supports the same amendment.

    Mary, too, worked for the Bush campaign in 2004, and she also contributed $1,000 to the Senate campaign of Ohio Republican Senator Rob Portman, who, as a House member, voted to ban gays from adopting in the District of Columbia and voted for a federal marriage amendment. Portman is now being discussed as a potential running mate for Romney. Mary Cheney hasn't endorsed Romney yet, but is there any reason why we should believe she won't endorse him and also give him money?

    Mary Cheney's actions are in line with the gay group GOProud, which recently endorsed Romney. Dan Savage called them "house faggots," while Michael Musto called them "Jewish Nazis," "black Klan members," and "roaches who moonlight as exterminators." Both Savage and Musto incurred the wrath of GOProud, which decried the name calling but then shot back with their own names (Musto was called a "human Muppet" by GOProud's Jimmy LaSalvia). Savage came back with a new word, comparing GOProud to meth addicts, driven by self-loathing.

    I must say that "roaches who moonlight as exterminators" is pretty clever. But I'm still not sure any of these terms quite captures what exactly motivates Mary Cheney and GOProud. It's one thing to work within the Republican Party to change it, and I've often supported the work of groups like the Log Cabin Republicans in doing so. But to actually endorse a candidate who calls for stripping you of rights seemstotally crazy and pathological -- unless perhaps you don't believe the candidate will ever do such a thing. And that is actually what gay Republicans who are voting for Romney will tell you privately. In fact, several such gay Republicans who are listeners to my show have called in to say as much.

    Now, whether or not Romney would really push for a federal marriage amendment, his speaking out in favor of it is damaging simply because he emboldens anti-gay forces and helps to inject hate into the political discourse. So, no, I don't believe it's an excuse to vote for him just because you believe he's stringing the Christian right along, telling them he'll push for a constitutional ban on gay marriage even though he will drop it once elected. But it does explain why GOPers like the Cheney family, hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer, and others who publicly and proudly support marriage equality would still support Romney. They don't believe he's anti-gay. They actually believe he's the flip-flopper he's shown himself to be, and in this case they see that as an asset. Or, to be more honest, they believe he's a liar.

    I don't know about you, but I think this guy states the case for not voting for Republicans quite well, even if you aren't gay. Romney represents only the wealthy corporate class, not the vast majority of Americans and certainly not Gays or any other minority's interests.


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    Jun 27, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
    Gay Republicans are more than happy to enjoy the rights the Dems gave them. But throw the Dems under the bus during election time in a self loathing fit of hypocrisy.

    My guess is they are addicted to $$$ and greed like a drug. Addicts are often their own worst enemies and act against their own bests interests.


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    Jun 27, 2012 6:32 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    So, Mary Cheney is happy to help elect anti-gay Republicans who make life miserable for gays.


    There-in lies part of the problem for the die-hard gay activists, and why there are far more Gay Republicans than people think. It's because, contrary to what the Michelangelo Signorile's of the world would have us all believe, MANY gays don't go around feeling that Republicans make their life miserable.
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
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    There-in lies part of the problem for the die-hard gay activists, and why there are far more Gay Republicans than people think. It's because, contrary to what the Michelangelo Signorile's of the world would have us all believe, MANY gays don't go around feeling that Republicans make their life miserable.


    In fact, to the contrary
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    Jun 27, 2012 6:41 PM GMT
    Just goes to show you, some people enjoy and embrace being second class citizens.
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    Jun 27, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    DalTX saidJust goes to show you, some people enjoy and embrace being second class citizens.


    Not me!
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    Jun 27, 2012 7:08 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ said


    There-in lies part of the problem for the die-hard gay activists, and why there are far more Gay Republicans than people think. It's because, contrary to what the Michelangelo Signorile's of the world would have us all believe, MANY gays don't go around feeling that Republicans make their life miserable.


    In fact, to the contrary





    My My !!! at the lengths and trouble you two go to in order to back your sworn enemy. I take it that the two of you have faith enough in Romney's lieing about his backing of the Christian fundi's on a miriad of subjects as well as those that affect we gays, so since you think he's lieing you can with clear conscience vote for him,

    Am I right ? You have faith that he is 'just joshing' for votes when he tells the fundi's he agrees with them ? what a 'principled stand' your taking !!!

    What can those of us who reason from cause to effect do but shake our heads in disbelief at voters like you. The facts are readily available, are you reading ? or watching fox news ?
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    Jun 29, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ said


    There-in lies part of the problem for the die-hard gay activists, and why there are far more Gay Republicans than people think. It's because, contrary to what the Michelangelo Signorile's of the world would have us all believe, MANY gays don't go around feeling that Republicans make their life miserable.


    In fact, to the contrary


    Gotta love This from 'The Gay Republican Prayerbook':

    'Feeling good about yourself is a choice. You can choose to feel good about yourself even if you also choose to vote for politicians who attack your choices.

    Anyways, don't bother with things that bother you. The key to success is KIS KIS. Keep it simple. Keep it stupid.'

    CJ & freedom, you boys live these principles so perfectly. Thanks for offering yourselves as examples of Gay Republicanism.
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    Jun 29, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    DalTX saidJust goes to show you, some people enjoy and embrace being second class citizens.


    Not me!


    Kitty Kat, have you seen those picture of you floating around the forums lately? It would be a huge leap up for you to even get to second class? icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 29, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    Balancing said
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ said


    There-in lies part of the problem for the die-hard gay activists, and why there are far more Gay Republicans than people think. It's because, contrary to what the Michelangelo Signorile's of the world would have us all believe, MANY gays don't go around feeling that Republicans make their life miserable.


    In fact, to the contrary


    Gotta love This from 'The Gay Republican Prayerbook':

    'Feeling good about yourself is a choice. You can choose to feel good about yourself even if you also choose to vote for politicians who attack your choices.

    Anyways, don't bother with things that bother you. The key to success is KIS KIS. Keep it simple. Keep it stupid.'

    CJ & freedom, you boys live these principles so perfectly. Thanks for offering yourselves as examples of Gay Republicanism.


    Thank you. We both run small businesses ... in fact, different sides of the same business.
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    Jun 29, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
    Balancing said

    'Feeling good about yourself is a choice. You can choose to feel good about yourself even if you also choose to vote for politicians who attack your choices.

    Anyways, don't bother with things that bother you.



    I guess you pretty much nailed it! "Feeling good about yourself", to some degree, is a choice. Just because some things bother YOU, don't delude yourself into thinking they bother everyone in the same way. You want to go around feeling like a second class citizen -- go right ahead -- but that doesn't mean I have to also live in that same sort of mindset.
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    Jun 29, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
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    Balancing said

    'Feeling good about yourself is a choice. You can choose to feel good about yourself even if you also choose to vote for politicians who attack your choices.

    Anyways, don't bother with things that bother you.



    I guess you pretty much nailed it! "Feeling good about yourself", to some degree, is a choice. Just because some things bother YOU, don't delude yourself into thinking they bother everyone in the same way. You want to go around feeling like a second class citizen -- go right ahead -- but that doesn't mean I have to also live in that same sort of mindset.


    I have a bunch of issues back here to deal with such as a mom with the moderate stages of Alzheimer’s and a dad with congestive heart failure, but we all came from two parents at some point and as they get older we have this ahead of us, then it’s our turn. That’s life.

    However, all in all, I live a very happy, very full, albeit busy, life. I don’t have time to consider myself a second class citizen. I get a little tired once in a while, but other than that I feel that I have a very positive outlook on life. Life is (mostly) what you make it. I have issues and challenges like everyone else, but I’ll find a way to work through them.
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    Jun 29, 2012 3:22 PM GMT
    One of the major points to the article is that Mary Cheney can and does live above the results of her voting for republicans who would take away her rights, so she won't suffer a thing from her self defeating votes and donations to those against her own interests.

    She is from a privileged class, not so with most republicans voting against their own interests. These republican gays who vote against their own interests also are voting against the interests of other 'underclassed' people. It seems to me that this would be quite obvious.

    Republicans are not your friends in Congress or the State Houses. When will you guys face those facts ?