HUGE OBAMA VICTORY!!! Chief Roberts carries Obamacare over the top!

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:22 PM GMT
    Obama victorious in health care decision in the Supreme Court.
    Very involved documentation. Very intriguing as to how it was carried
    with the judges (and why Chief Judge Roberts agreed with the progressives on the court).

    INTRIGUING INDEED!

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  • DalTX

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:23 PM GMT
    Excellent news!!
    Let the GOP meltdown begin!!!
  • DalTX

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    The guy who said this must be very happy today:

    With regards to the mandate, the individual responsibility program which I proposed, I was very pleased to see that the compromise from the two houses includes the personal responsibility principle, that is essential for bringing health care costs down for everyone, and for getting everybody the health insurance they deserve and need. So I was very pleased with that development.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
    For a while, I expected the mandate to survive by a vote of 6-3 with Chief Roberts bringing the 6th vote. But it seems that he was the fifth vote out of 5 votes.

    I started to believe a few short weeks ago that the mandate would be struck down because word had gotten out that Obama instructed his staff to formulate a new healthcare strategy for next year should it be struck down.
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    Jun 28, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
    God Bless America!
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    CrankySpice saidI predict we won't hear anything from the Conservaposse today.

    They won't want to listen to the gloating.


    There is no need to gloat. The Republicans will continue their obstruction any way. We just need to keep focus on beating their obstacles.
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    Jun 28, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    Can we 'thank' the Fundi's and Tbagger's 'GOD' for this principled decision ?


    This is just rewards for Republicans whose original Idea it was to install Mandates in any national health care program.
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    Jun 28, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    This decision may galvanize the Repubs at the polls in November.

    On the Dems' side, nothing succeeds like success. So Obama's flagging support might rise.
  • DalTX

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
    CrankySpice saidI predict we won't hear anything from the Conservaposse today.

    They won't want to listen to the gloating.




    Hmmmm, they are oddly silent.
    Perhaps a group cry is going down.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    Okay, just a little snickering....like this:

    I can hear southbeach now; wailing like Chris Coker defending BRITT-KNEEEEEEE!!!!! Except now he's crying, A-MERI-KAAAAAAA!!!!!
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:45 PM GMT
    PREDICTION: Whenever Republicans ever regain power of the whole Congress and have a Republican President, I BET YOU that they will pass legislation requiring everyone to buy a gun. I BET YOU.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
    Indeed a grand celebration.... I had to hold my breath. I find the dissenting
    comments as interesting. I expected nothing better from Scalia & Thomas, but was surprised Anthony Kennedy wrote the dssenting opinion and basically said the"entire health care reform law should have been struck down".

    Glad their views were subordinated!
  • nanidesukedo

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
    So what happened to all the smug self assuredness that several members on here had about it being overturned and gone by today?

    I would gloat more, but I'm too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet taste of their tears ;)

    Moar. Moar!!!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 28, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidObama victorious in health care decision in the Supreme Court.
    Very involved documentation. Very intriguing as to how it was carried
    with the judges (and why Chief Judge Roberts agreed with the progressives on the court).


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    I see this as a victory for America in the sense that the Bush-appointed Chief John Roberts wrote the response, and what he gave was not what so many may have predicted. To me, this says a lot for the integrity of the SCOTUS. The argument that we need to appoint more left-leaning or right leaning judges to balance things out kind of loses steam here. We need to appoint good and fair judges -- period -- regardless of which way they may be perceived to lean. This isn't the first time that Chief Judge Roberts has sided left of center, so I think overall the ruling, while controversial to some, is still a win for America because they based the response on the constitution, as they should have, and let the cards fall where they may.
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    Jun 28, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    I was a bit surprised it was Roberts instead of Kennedy, but this is how the system works and we live with the decision.
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    Jun 28, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    Unreal, it's totally unconstitutional. Sad day. The government can now mandate that everyone buy candy on 4th of July and everyone has to. I'm curious to know the grounds....

    But yes, we have to live with the decisions, no recalls, no boycotts, no stupid shit like liberals pull.
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    Jun 28, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
    CrankySpice saidNo bashing Southbeach today, please.
    He wrote me a very nice note expressing his disappointment, but congratulating me on the result. I am impressed with his graciousness; I'm not sure I'd have been equal to it if the result had gone the other way.


    That IS impressive. You diplomat you.

    I'm happy for you guys, and now (thanks to Cranky) I'm thinking about sportsmanship and about being a gracious and generous winner as opposed to gloating.
    I'm very happy for the friends and family we have in the US.

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 28, 2012 3:02 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI was a bit surprised it was Roberts instead of Kennedy, but this is how the system works and we live with decision.



    Absolutely! This is the way the system is suppose to work. When all is said and done, we have to hope that whatever the SCOTUS decides is based on the rule of law and the constitution of the USA --- and I am confident this is what the SCOTUS did here. This is the tradition on which this country has been built, so at the end of the day we work it out and move forward.
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    Jun 28, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidI was a bit surprised it was Roberts instead of Kennedy, but this is how the system works and we live with decision.



    Absolutely! This is the way the system is suppose to work. At the end of the day, we have to hope that whatever the SCOTUS decides is based on the rule of law and the constitution of the USA. This is the tradition on which this country has been built, so at the end of the day we work it out and move forward.


    Funny that I didn't have a single phone call for an hour so I know all my clients were watching, but that has changed in the last few minutes. I'm curious to hear what the reaction will be and hopefully it won't kill any deals.

    In this business, we deal much better with certainty, whatever that certainty may be.
  • DalTX

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    Jun 28, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidUnreal, it's totally unconstitutional. Sad day. The government can now mandate that everyone buy candy on 4th of July and everyone has to. I'm curious to know the grounds....

    But yes, we have to live with the decisions, no recalls, no boycotts, no stupid shit like liberals pull.




    I think I'll buy some Junior Mints.
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    Jun 28, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
    I would have definitely preferred it to have been struck down, and the stock market agrees which has just dropped in the hundreds of points.

    I think there are longer term issues that will play out and those who agree with me will have to forgo immediate gratification for what I think will be long term gratification.

    First, it takes away the position that the left had already taken that the court was a Republican Party arm and that an Obama reelection is important to return the court to a balance via future selections. This is significant.

    The ruling does spare Obama from an immediate embarrassment, so he did dodge a bullet. And the left can celebrate that.

    I believe the celebration will ultimately be brief because it will significantly energize the opposition. The measure remains unpopular, and polls indicate those strongly oppose outnumber those strongly support 2 to 1. A sleeping giant has been awoken. This may turn out to be the best thing for the GOP with its significant advantage in funding the election campaign.

    The ruling does not imply the law is appropriate, good policy, or economically sound. What will energize the opposition are the words from Justice Kennedy: "The act is invalid in its entirety." Given Kennedy is considered a moderate, his words will have significant weight.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 28, 2012 3:17 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree saidI was a bit surprised it was Roberts instead of Kennedy, but this is how the system works and we live with decision.



    Absolutely! This is the way the system is suppose to work. When all is said and done, we have to hope that whatever the SCOTUS decides is based on the rule of law and the constitution of the USA --- and I am confident this is what the SCOTUS did here. This is the tradition on which this country has been built, so at the end of the day we work it out and move forward.


    Very pleased to hear the commentary from both of you. Flexibility is key to the success of thisi country. Rigid and negative views aren't helpful.
    Thanks for this.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 28, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    First, it takes away the position that the left had already taken that the court was a Republican Party arm and that an Obama reelection is important to return the court to a balance via future selections. This is significant



    I actually think it's one of the MOST significant things to note about this decision.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 28, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI would have definitely preferred it to have been struck down, and the stock market agrees which has just dropped in the hundreds of points.

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    Not correct, down 144 and there are other things happening today other than the Supreme Court announcement.
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    Jun 28, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidSo what happened to all the smug self assuredness that several members on here had about it being overturned and gone by today?

    I would gloat more, but I'm too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet taste of their tears ;)

    Moar. Moar!!!


    It's a big win for Obama - in the sense that he bet big to get the law passed, and it's been ruled constitutional because the individual mandate was considered a tax by Roberts who has considerable experience it should be noted in business law cases.

    But - not a good thing for Americans - and possibly not Obama in the fall given how unpopular the law is. Further, as others have pointed out, it doesn't change the fact that the bill is too costly and doesn't change the underlying issues of how poorly written it was while buying the support of specific industry groups.