AND THE ADS WITH LIES HAVE STARTED: OBAMACARE IS THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY?

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    Jun 30, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    Seriously? The ad goes onto state that Americans are struggling. How will we pay this tax increase. Why isnt Obama focusing in jobs?

    Lies, lies, lies. Republicans have no shame!
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    Jun 30, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidSeriously? The ad goes onto state that Americans are struggling. How will we pay this tax increase. Why isnt Obama focusing in jobs?

    Lies, lies, lies. Republicans have no shame!

    Nor the RJ conservaposse, which also started that lying mantra. We can expect to read them repeating it here over and over again, oblivious to the facts, their goal not discourse, but endlessly spamming right-wing propaganda.
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    Jun 30, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
    ...and, of course, there will be absolutely nooooooo "left wing" propaganda seen on the pages of RJ whatsoever icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/34012/fisherman+dives+into+river+wrestles+enormous+flathead+catfish+to+shore/

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    Jun 30, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    What these ads are missing is that its inevitable that all families will have some healthcare expenses and this supposed new unafordable 'tax' is far less than what they would pay out of their pockets for health care without the new insurance.
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    Jun 30, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
    realifedad said What these ads are missing is that its inevitable that all families will have some healthcare expenses and this supposed new unafordable 'tax' is far less than what they would pay out of their pockets for health care without the new insurance.
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    The penalty or "tax" as republicans are calling it will only be invoked on individuals who can afford health insurance but choose not to purchase it. Thats about 1% of Americans- not the entire nation. It is essentially a fine or penalty for freeloaders.
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    Jun 30, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said...and, of course, there will be absolutely nooooooo "left wing" propaganda seen on the pages of RJ whatsoever icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/34012/fisherman+dives+into+river+wrestles+enormous+flathead+catfish+to+shore/

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    Show me which ad u are referring to. The ad I saw aired this morning on CNN.
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    Jun 30, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
    It IS a tax increase. That's the only way it was able to squeak by the constitution.
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    Jun 30, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    realifedad said What these ads are missing is that its inevitable that all families will have some healthcare expenses and this supposed new unafordable 'tax' is far less than what they would pay out of their pockets for health care without the new insurance.


    Some people may be living a lifestyle where they choose to not get health insurance. People should have the freedom to choose what they want to get.

    As it is now, if someone chooses to have a car payment and house payment in lieu of insurance, they will now have to either sell their house or car to afford to new tax.
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    Jun 30, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidIt IS a tax increase. That's the only way it was able to squeak by the constitution.


    The GOP is touting it as a tax increase for all Americans. It is not. It is a penalty on freeloaders who dont carry health insurance and can afford it- biut 1% of Americans.
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    Jun 30, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    realifedad said What these ads are missing is that its inevitable that all families will have some healthcare expenses and this supposed new unafordable 'tax' is far less than what they would pay out of their pockets for health care without the new insurance.


    Some people may be living a lifestyle where they choose to not get health insurance. People should have the freedom to choose what they want to get.

    As it is now, if someone chooses to have a car payment and house payment in lieu of insurance, they will now have to either sell their house or car to afford to new tax.


    See, unfortunately, y'all complain about the rising costs of healthcare...but don't realize that those people whose "freedom" from health insurance you are arguing for...unless they are multi-millionaires, represent a huge liability to everyone in the country that wants health care or has health insurance...as they are the ones who, due to unforseen accidents or illness, get huge bills, can't pay them, and then the hospital has to pass it on to other people with insurance.

    Also, the plan is such that those who have economic difficulty will have support with affording health insurance...it's only those who have the economic means to afford health insurance that will be without any form of aid or subsidization in their healthcare costs.
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    Jun 30, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    realifedad said What these ads are missing is that its inevitable that all families will have some healthcare expenses and this supposed new unafordable 'tax' is far less than what they would pay out of their pockets for health care without the new insurance.


    Some people may be living a lifestyle where they choose to not get health insurance. People should have the freedom to choose what they want to get.

    As it is now, if someone chooses to have a car payment and house payment in lieu of insurance, they will now have to either sell their house or car to afford to new tax.


    If you chose not to have health insurance and can afford it, you deserve to pay a penalty for freeloading!
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    Jun 30, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    realifedad said What these ads are missing is that its inevitable that all families will have some healthcare expenses and this supposed new unafordable 'tax' is far less than what they would pay out of their pockets for health care without the new insurance.


    Some people may be living a lifestyle where they choose to not get health insurance. People should have the freedom to choose what they want to get.

    As it is now, if someone chooses to have a car payment and house payment in lieu of insurance, they will now have to either sell their house or car to afford to new tax.




    The thing is mock, in the long haul picture, everyone pays out for insurance or high medical bills, one way or another, its just a fact of life, if we live we get sick and have medical expenses, choices of homes and cars don't stop our getting sick. So since its a fact of life that illness eventually comes, this insurance mandate with its costs is far less in the long run that not having insurance. The penalty part of this will be very minimul because most of us know that its far better to pay a little (for the insurance) as apposed to paying out tens of thousands and going bankrupt without it after illness strikes.

    This tax as they call it is far less in most peoples cases than the alternative of not having the insurance and then because of huge medical expenses they lose their home and car that they worked so hard fo to hospitals and doctors.


    I am a good example, my health was great, I had very little health expenses all the way through my upper 40's, then one morning I just turned my head while shaving and a terrible pain shot down my back, over the next 3 months I had no choice but to have many expensive spinal tests, nerve conduction tests and then major surgery which amounted to nearly S200,000. I had expensive state of VA insurance then , that would have even cost me less, had this Obamacare Insurance been available. I was certainly glad I had the insureance. I am sure most uninsured will see the good sense of taking this Obamacare insurance and will avoid any penalty "tax" as its being called.

    Any way you look at it, whether the Obamacare insurance is being considered a tax, or the penalty for the uninsured not taking part in it and end up paying a tax, the Repubs are just drumming up fear for political gain, just as surely as Palin was over Death Panels. over all penalty 'tax' will probably affect very few, I'd be willing to bet on it.

  • nanidesukedo

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    Jun 30, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    Furthermore, despite the fear mongering on it and claims that healthcare systems are no longer going to be able to treat patients for whatever ludicrous reason - day after day, many large hospital systems are coming out in support of the Supreme Court ruling, stating that they will be able to provide better care to a larger patient population.

    The most recent was Bon Secours.