Why should I be expected to pay for Conservatives' health care?

  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 30, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    Conservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.
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    Jun 30, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.
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    Yes. Isn't the show simply delicious?
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    Jun 30, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.

    People of your ilk are well represented among the 50% who pay no income tax. The question should really be why should those who energize the country pay for those who only suck on the teat of the nanny state? (I do favor a safety net for those who really can't afford to pay and are here legally.)
  • nanidesukedo

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    Jun 30, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.

    People of your ilk are well represented among the 50% who pay no income tax. The question should really be why should those who energize the country pay for those who only suck on the teat of the nanny state? (I do favor a safety net for those who really can't afford to pay and are here legally.)


    Because those with pre-existing conditions, those who are in college or graduate school, those who are lower middle class and the back bone of the work force who can't currently afford health insurance or health care...are all sucking on the teat of the nanny state.

    Sweet. Good to know where the conservatives stand on labeling people.
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    Jun 30, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo said
    socalfitness said
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.

    People of your ilk are well represented among the 50% who pay no income tax. The question should really be why should those who energize the country pay for those who only suck on the teat of the nanny state? (I do favor a safety net for those who really can't afford to pay and are here legally.)


    Because those with pre-existing conditions, those who are in college or graduate school, those who are lower middle class and the back bone of the work force who can't currently afford health insurance or health care...are all sucking on the teat of the nanny state.

    Sweet. Good to know where the conservatives stand on labeling people.

    My label did not include those groups and I specifically favor a safety net for specific groups in need, but not for those such as the OP unless he is an that category.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 30, 2012 6:21 PM GMT
    GAMRican said
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.
    ...


    Yes. Isn't the show simply delicious?



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    Jun 30, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    I love how the following words are being no-so-cleverly avoided.

    "But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?"

    Or do fiscal conservatives down there consider the above scamming of the system being fiscally conservative?

  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 30, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.

    People of your ilk are well represented among the 50% who pay no income tax. The question should really be why should those who energize the country pay for those who only suck on the teat of the nanny state? (I do favor a safety net for those who really can't afford to pay and are here legally.)


    Apparently we disagree -- I think sponging off the responsible people with insurance is wrong. If you can afford to pay for health insurance, you must do so. I'm tired of paying higher premiums each year because of the freeloaders.
    Someone claiming their "freedom" is being violated because they don't want to pay their fair share is not going to cut it any longer.
  • Klaatu

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    Jun 30, 2012 6:42 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.


    +1
    Agree completely. When I was growing up, the Republicans used to be the party of personal responsibility. What happened to all that?

    This reminds me of the fracas over motorcycle helmet laws being implemented. Cyclers claimed their "freedom" was being violated by helmet laws, but if they got splattered across the road without a helmet on, they expected everyone else to pay their medical bills for the rest of their lives.

    Grow up, we're not paying for your irresponsibility any more.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 30, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    KissTheSky said
    Someone claiming their "freedom" is being violated because they don't want to pay their fair share is not going to cut it any longer.


    As this is applied to Health Insurance, I don't think you will get ANY argument on this from anyone here
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    socalfitness said
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.

    People of your ilk are well represented among the 50% who pay no income tax. The question should really be why should those who energize the country pay for those who only suck on the teat of the nanny state? (I do favor a safety net for those who really can't afford to pay and are here legally.)


    Apparently we disagree -- I think sponging off the responsible people with insurance is wrong. If you afford to pay for health insurance, you must do so. I'm tired of paying higher premiums each year because of the freeloaders.
    Someone claiming their "freedom" is being violated because they don't want to pay their fair share is not going to cut it any longer.



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    Great points !!!


    But be carefull there Kiss the sky, your putting realities in too clear and factual a picture for SoCal to bear, You are undermining his lieing propaganda and making a dent in his Ideology that he just won't stand for, you're running a risk of being "IGNORED". LOL You may be close to rising to the level of hurting his Ideological republican sensabilities by such facts that are so adverse to his status quo beliefs.

    Carry on though by all means, because such fanatics need regular doses of facts to counter their constand drumming of propaganda "to make Obama a one term president'. After all, that's what all this is about.
  • conservativej...

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    Jun 30, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidConservatives have had a field day in the past week, in full meltdown mode about the so-called health care "tax" that is the death of freedom, the end of our country, time to start an armed rebellion, blah blah blah.

    But the gist of Conservatives' argument against the individual mandate is this:
    They shouldn't have to buy health insurance even if they can afford it, because when they get sick or become injured, they can go to a hospital and get free medical care. They know that hospitals are required by law to treat them, even if they've chosen not to buy insurance.
    Why should Conservatives pay for something if they can get if for free, right?

    The problem with that scheme is the hospitals pass the cost on to responsible people who HAVE purchased insurance. Paying for the uninsured is why rates are so high!

    Let's get real -- everyone needs medical care eventually and gaming the system to get someone else to pay for it is irresponsible, selfish, and now ILLEGAL. Freeloading is no longer an option because everyone who is able must contribute. Unless you're a freeloader, you will not be paying this "tax."
    If you ARE a freeloader, you should be paying the tax -- in my opinion, it should be higher.


    These times have set up the ability to generate income from sources that are exempt from the new healthcare taxes. In fact, there is income exempt from all federal taxes that pays high rates if you were in position at the right time to move on it.

    The bigger problem comes with the "fiscal cliff" and Obamacare taxes hitting at the same time. Being prepared is a glorious thing.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jul 01, 2012 10:43 PM GMT
    I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread topic.

    Can any Conservatives explain how their freedom is being violated by being required to contribute to their own health care costs?
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    Jul 01, 2012 11:24 PM GMT
    This issue becomes more clear when you realize that US Conservatives also want to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and Medicade. They talk about "privatizing" them, but that really means having their corporate political donors running the programs for a profit, that will be taken out of recipient benefits.

    Or maybe eliminating Social Security altogether, along with all other social safety nets, as the more radical Teabaggers demand. They imagine they might see a few more extra dollars a month in savings, while the social fabric of the US collapses. The ultimate expression of selfish shortsightedness.
  • musclmed

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    Jul 01, 2012 11:31 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidI'm not sure what that has to do with this thread topic.

    Can any Conservatives explain how their freedom is being violated by being required to contribute to their own health care costs?


    Well at least I do see validity in the argument you make. However i am not sure this is a ideology you have kept for that very long.

    It is a rare and unique moment when a liberal invokes "free loaders".

    Simply the system set forth in ACA simply cannot work unless a certain number of healthy people flood the system with dollars so it can pay for the uninsured. There are many different factions within the people who disagree with the ACA. I would say the primary one is the health insurance Mandate.
    It goes against the grain of American Freedom. To be left alone. The freedom to be that weirdo who lives in the woods with 10 wives and not be persecuted.

    The ACA mandate is a nightmare for people who believe that social engineering from government mandated foods, cars and everything else are just a heartbeat away if a mandate was constitutional. Justice Roberts very abruptly put that liberal dream to an end last week, in limiting the commerce clause via precedent. The ACA has a tax now, which is a perfectly legitimate way to pay for this program.

    So the people who cry about ACA should lobby congress to change or amend the law .

    There were many different plans being kicked around beside ACA. How about tax deductions for health premiums? In that case you would get some or all of your money back. This would have incentive people to buy insurance? If more people buy insurance the costs go down.

    How about that Kissthesky if you got a rebate for your healthcare premium would that work?