SHOCKER - President Obama Now Leads Romney In "Red State" Arizona

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    Jun 30, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/223743-poll-obama-now-leading-romney-in-arizona

    A storyline is developing in this election and it's all about the Latino vote.

    President Bush was able to win in 2004 with 41% of the Latino vote.

    John McCain lost in 2008 with 31% of the Latino vote.

    Romney simply cannot win with less than 40% of the Latino vote.
    Since the Latino vote has only gotten proportionally larger since 2004 - Romney actually needs more than the 41% that Bush got.

    Right now Romney only has 25% of the Latino vote.
    He cannot win with that little Latino support.

    These AZ polls are further proof of the desperate straits that Romney is in because of his stridently anti-Latino rhetoric and policy advocacy.



  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 30, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
    Your interpretation skills are abysmal. The article cited one poll with Obama in a very slim lead, as well as another with Romney in a slim lead. The best you can glean from all of this poll business is that Arizona is up for grabs. What I am reading into this is that, considering Romney's much harder stance on illegal immigration, one would think a state with such a heavy Latino vote would have Obama far in the lead, however that simply isn't what the polls are telling us (other than on Planet RickRick, of course) icon_rolleyes.gif

    RickRick91 said
    These AZ polls are further proof of the desperate straits that Romney is in because of his stridently anti-Latino rhetoric and policy advocacy.


    Nope, sorry, polls "prove" nothing.
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    Jun 30, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
    Obama is beating Romney in Florida, in Ohio, in Virginia, in Pennsylvania, in New Mexico, in Wisconsin, in Iowa, in Nevada, and in Colorado -- on pace for over 320 electoral votes. Obama is beating Romney nationally in every poll released over the past two weeks. Obama is winning and Romney is losing in both the Gallup and Rassmussen polls.

    The contempt that No Comment Romney and the Republicans have for Latinos, women, gays, poor people, and the uninsured is taking its toll.

    romney june fail

    obama romney electoral college - end june
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 30, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    If Romney is truly serious about winning the white house, he needs to have more compassion and concern for the mass majority of the American people and he has to throw all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs under an oncoming bus.
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    Jun 30, 2012 9:07 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYour interpretation skills are abysmal. The article cited one poll with Obama in a very slim lead, as well as another with Romney in a slim lead. The best you can glean from all of this poll business is that Arizona is up for grabs. What I am reading into this is that, considering Romney's much harder stance on illegal immigration, one would think a state with such a heavy Latino vote would have Obama far in the lead, however that simply isn't what the polls are telling us (other than on Planet RickRick, of course) icon_rolleyes.gif

    RickRick91 said
    These AZ polls are further proof of the desperate straits that Romney is in because of his stridently anti-Latino rhetoric and policy advocacy.


    Nope, sorry, polls "prove" nothing.





    LOL
    I'm not predicting that AZ will go to Romney.
    I think it will likely stay red for one more presidential election before it turns blue in 2016.

    But fact that AZ is "up for grabs" (as you admit) this year IS in fact more evidence that Romney is in deep trouble because of his harshly divisive anti-Latino stance.
    Especially considering the fact that AZ has a large Mormon population which should be a help to Romney.

    The bottom line is that President Obama doesn't need AZ to win.

    Romney however desperately needs AZ to have any chance of winning but - even in AZ - Romney's extreme anti-Latino policies are hurting him.


  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 30, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIf Romney is truly serious about winning the white house, he needs to have more compassion and concern for the mass majority of the American people and he has to throw all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs under an oncoming bus.


    This is exactly correct, but the time for him to do that has passed.
    From the beginning of the campaign, Romney could have adopted more moderate, compassionate policies and many independents would have voted for him.
    Instead, he went overboard catering to the right-wing bigots who hate gay people and latinos.

    If Romney said no to the bigotry now, the media would call him on yet another monumental flip-flop, and the bigots in the hate states would abandon him.

    But his present strategy has clearly failed: with only 16 weeks until the election, Romney is losing virtually every swing state.
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    Jun 30, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    I wish I could say so, but I'm not surprised by this at all. Since the beginning of the Republican Primaries, and now since the others have dropped out of the race, the de-factor Republican nominee is being seen for the out-of-touch light-weight that he is in sharp contrast to a very successful (and likable) President.

    My definition of "successful" is relative to the precarious and dire situation which President Obama inherited from 8 years of "government" under perhaps the worst POTUS in the history of the nation.

    Here are some low points which President Obama inherited from his predecessor:

    The partial tally of what this nation lost under President Bush so far:
    • The World Trade Center
    • A piece of the Pentagon
    • Five or six trillion dollars--again, so far
    • A doubled national debt
    • Over six-thousand dead American soldiers and over forty-seven-thousand wounded (not to mention billions of dollars in weapons, supplies, and equipment blown up, wasted, or stolen)
    • Untold numbers of Iraqis, Afghanis, and Pakistanis dead and wounded, and thousands of refugees
    • The sympathy and the cooperation of almost every nation on the planet
    • A big chunk of New Orleans
    • The housing market
    • Every amendment in the Bill Of Rights except the second
    • A valuable CIA agent specializing in nuclear counter-proliferation
    • Safe airline travel
    • Safe food
    • Safe water
    • Safe, regulated exploration for and extraction of coal, oil, and gas
    • Impartial climate science
    • The integrity of the Justice and Interior departments
    • Years of government research on climate change
    • Eight years of stem cell research
    • The nation's moral standing on war crimes and torture
    • Two million jobs
    • Fair elections
    • The integrity of the private property system
    • Trillions of dollars swindled from Americans by banks you refused to regulate
    • The Kyoto Treaty
    • Three-thousand points off the Dow


    Even Fox News' Alan Colmes states that President Obama inherited a nightmare.

    Americans everywhere now see the possibility that the Republican party just doesn't have it's shit together enough to run the country.

    I would not be surprised if the Democratic Party not only takes the White House again, but regains both a majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate.
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    Jun 30, 2012 10:23 PM GMT
    KissTheSky said
    roadbikeRob saidIf Romney is truly serious about winning the white house, he needs to have more compassion and concern for the mass majority of the American people and he has to throw all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs under an oncoming bus.


    This is exactly correct, but the time for him to do that has passed.
    From the beginning of the campaign, Romney could have adopted more moderate, compassionate policies and many independents would have voted for him.
    Instead, he went overboard catering to the right-wing bigots who hate gay people and latinos.

    If Romney said no to the bigotry now, the media would call him on yet another monumental flip-flop, and the bigots in the hate states would abandon him.

    But his present strategy has clearly failed: with only 16 weeks until the election, Romney is losing virtually every swing state.





    You're absolutely correct.
    It's too late for Romney to be able to do anything to win more Latino votes.

    If he flip-flops on the extreme rhetoric and policy positions he's put forward in this election - no one will believe him and it will just further destroy his credibility.

    Plus - especially in a state like AZ - embracing pro-Latino policies would anger Repub voters and he would lose Repub votes.

    Reversing himself on the things he's said and supported during the Repub nomination fight wouldn't convince any Latino voters to trust Romney.
    It would just further convince the American people that Romney is a base craven flip-flopper who cannot be trusted and who's willing to LIE to try to get elected.

    So it's really impossible to imagine a way for Romney to get from the 25% Latino support he currently has to the 40+% support he needs to have in order for him to have any chance of winning.