No Consensus on Who Was Behind 9/11

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    Jul 01, 2012 8:50 AM GMT
    Old news from an international poll in 2008:
    No Consensus on Who Was Behind 9/11

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    On average, 46 percent of those surveyed said al Qaeda was responsible, 15 percent said the U.S. government, 7 percent said Israel and 7 percent said some other perpetrator. One in four people said they did not know who was behind the attacks.
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    Jul 02, 2012 5:13 AM GMT
    By that measure, there is likely also no "consensus" that the earth is round and that apples fall to the ground because of gravity....

    If you normalize out the DK, you get a 61% world-wide consensus that AQ perpetrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
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    Jul 02, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    There is so much propaganda put out about 9-11 from the far right Neo Cons that its no wonder facts are blurred.


    Actually the wildest of all Conspiracy Theories about 9-11 was put forth by Bush/Cheney and their carefully hand picked 9-11 commission who for instance somehow managed to forget all about building 7 which was not struck by anything and yet came down in its own footprint. The Commission Conspiracy Theory ignored totally, the multiple witness testimony from lifesaving crews, police and firefighters whose testimony of "pop, pop, pop" noises "like the sounds of a demolition"

    Bush /Cheney's Conspiracy Theory Commission also left out and ignored the FEMA investigators statements that "Molten steal was flowing" 21 days after the towers came down. They ignored that it is an utter scientific impossibility for this to be present after 21 days in the basement, from Plane Fuel and burning matter 100 + floors up that their Conspiracy Theory says brought the building down in its footprint.

    With all the official Conspiracy Theories being floated that leave out on site witnesses and facts, its no wonder there is confusion.

    Some 1500 Architects, Engineers, expolosive experts and etc. have signed petitions to do an independent investigation to dispel all Conspirac Theories, but the powers that be, want only their Conspiracy Theory to be heard and put out by our Corporate Media.

    Isn't it strange that these Powers are against real professionals continueing their investigation ?

    Why are these Powers so intent on discrediting real science that dispels their Commission produced Conspiracy Theory ?
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    Jul 02, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
    I've seen an analysis of what brought the Twin Towers down. They were doomed by their own unique construction.

    The outer steel ribs, which were a distinctive decorative feature of the Towers, bore the principle load bearing of the buildings. The only other bearing structures were contained in a relatively small central core, that contained the elevators and other services. Unlike most other skyscrapers, there was no steel framework grid of I-beams throughout the buildings.

    When the planes penetrated the outer walls they greatly weakened the whole structure. Further intense burning of jet fuel caused the steel of the central core to fail. When the roughly 15 top stories fell, their enormous weight pancaked the rest of the floors below.

    There is no mystery here, just physics. Even bin Laden was surprised that both buildings were totally destroyed - he thought the damage would be confined to where the planes hit. Much like when a US B-25 military bomber accidentally struck the Empire State Building in a heavy fog in 1945, causing mostly localized damage at the point of the impact.
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    Jul 02, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
    According to the professional signers of the petition physics, Airplane fuel nor 15 stories causing a 'pancaking' reaction would bring about the chemicals found that bring about molten steal that was witnessed flowing and ignored by the Commission. The witnesses included the governments own FEMA experts. But still ignored !!! These problems with the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy Theory that the Professional Petitioners want a in depth investigation.

    From Wikipedia in reference to the "1600 Architecural and engineering professionals"


    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is an American non-profit[1][2] organization of architects, engineers, and demolition experts who dispute the results of official investigations into the September 11 attacks, including the 9/11 Commission Report.[3][4] It advocates that the World Trade Center was destroyed by explosive demolition, a 9/11 conspiracy theory.[5]

    Founded in 2006, the group demands that the United States Congress pursue "a truly independent investigation" into the September 11 attacks as they believe government agency investigations into the collapse of the World Trade Center have not addressed what it calls "massive evidence for explosive demolition." As of March 2012, the group's petition to Congress was signed by over 1,600 architectural and engineering professionals.
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    Jul 02, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThere is no mystery here, just physics. Even bin Laden was surprised that both buildings were totally destroyed - he thought the damage would be confined to where the planes hit.

    True, and he's on video saying so... which makes you wonder why some people are still in denial.

    http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2007a/070612HoffmannWTC.html
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    Jul 02, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    The denial is amongst those who insist on ignoring scientific facts in order to keep believing the status quo Bush/Cheney conspiracy theory. The men including 'Bin Ladin' quoted above are in the minority when considering 1600 signers to a petition to do an independent and fact based (not conjecture) investigation.

    Funny to me that LIL'AIPAC (W4) of all people would quote 'Bin Ladin' as an authority. LOL perhaps he didn't know there would be the chemicals present that creates molten steal. HMMMM !!! Whose in denial ?


    by the way these 1600 professionals aren't offering their own 'Conspiracy Theory', they just want to bust the Bush/Cheney 'Conspiracy Theory' with facts and get them out to the public, then let the 'cards fall where they lead'.


    Below is what the 1600 pofessioinals have to say, shall we believe 'Bin Ladin' and a few hand picked 'Bush/Cheney' hand picked un scientific and unprofessional commissionaers over the real experts ? Why are so many people in denial and so afraid of real investigation ? Whos interests are being served by ignoring and avoiding finding out answers to these many scientific questions ?

    WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
    1.Rapid onset of collapse
    2.Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction
    3.Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
    4.Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
    5.Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
    6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
    7.Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

    In the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
    1.FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
    2.Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
    3.Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

    WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
    1.Slow onset with large visible deformations
    2.Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
    3.Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
    4.High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed

    As seen in revealing photos, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
    1.Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
    2.Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
    3.Extremely rapid onset of destruction
    4.Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
    5.Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
    6.Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
    7.Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
    8.1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
    9.Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front
    10.Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
    11.Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
    12.Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
    13.Evidence of explosives found in dust samples

    And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
    1.Slow onset with large visible deformations
    2.Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
    3.Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
    4.High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed