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  • jim_sf

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    Jul 02, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    I suspect the "cure" for HIV will be more like the "cure" for polio or smallpox: a broadly-administered vaccine.

    That said, the religious right was all frothy about administering Gardasil to girls and young women because it would somehow encourage them to start having sex. I can't imagine the apoplexy over an HIV vaccine.
  • kencarson

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    Jul 02, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    I think a vaccine will come before a cure, and sadly if that happens, the look for a cure might lose funding and stop.

    However, I think if a cure comes about, it will have to do with gene therapy.
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    Jul 02, 2012 5:00 PM GMT
    Ehm, a blood filter machine perhaps?
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    no never. Chinese scientists will find a way to wipe out Homosexuality itself first.
  • Dbrad3693

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    Jul 02, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
    I think an "cure" will happen in kind of a parallel way that the meds of today are.
    The meds that are around now dont kill the virus but more or less put it to "sleep". And as long as the patient contiues to take the meds, the virus will stay "asleep".
    There was a recent and successful study that they did on chimps a little while back. They had a chimp that was infected with the virus. They tried an experimental drug that was supposed to put the virus to sleep permently. So the chimp would still have the virus, but it wouldnt be able to communicate or spread. Instead, like the pills, it would just remain the liver. After the shot was given, the chimp was allowed to mate with other chimps. After some time it was discovered that the mother chimps were not infected with the virus, nor was the offspring.
    I guess thats a positive icon_smile.gif no pun intended
  • SomeSiciliano...

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    Jul 02, 2012 6:27 PM GMT
    http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2012/04/17/hiv-prevention-pill-cost-effective-for-high-risk-men-study

    This was a big glimmer of hope a few short months ago...but the story seems to have died. Not a cure but on the right track....works allot like what Dbrad described above. The crux of the problem is viral mutation according the the article.
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    Jul 02, 2012 6:35 PM GMT
    Sulfa Denial & No Acetol....icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 02, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
    There is supposedly a cure known as Tetrasilver tetroxide molecular crystal devices, however, I don't believe it is possible just because the fact that even when you are undetectable of HIV, if you are a carrier, the virus still hides in your T-cells in which you would most likely have to destroy in order to get inside them to combat the HIV virus. Given that you need your T-cells to live, I don't see a cure happening.

    However, this is how supposedly Tetrasilver tetroxide works:

    The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans. A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function.
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    Jul 02, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
    The proper cure should come in the form of better educating the world of safe sex and precautions you have to take.
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    Jul 02, 2012 8:16 PM GMT
    Honestly, I think there is a cure already out but it is just being hidden.

    I may sound like a conspiracy theory but it really is logical when you think about it.

    The Medical/Drug world is a billion dollar business. It would not be if everyone was healthy and clean. Money would be lost, and people would be out of jobs. The truth is, people make more money sick and they don't want us to be healthy.

    Also, have you ever noticed that after one disease dies down, another one comes out and kills many, then dies down, and then another one comes out. It is like a chain.

    These diseases are being created, and even then Vaccines are just injections of the disease/poison... who knows what that truly is doing.

    I think a cure exist already, but that is just my take. The world needs sick people.
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    Jul 02, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA saidHonestly, I think there is a cure already out but it is just being hidden.

    I may sound like a conspiracy theory but it really is logical when you think about it.

    The Medical/Drug world is a billion dollar business. It would not be if everyone was healthy and clean. Money would be lost, and people would be out of jobs. The truth is, people make more money sick and they don't want us to be healthy.

    Also, have you ever noticed that after one disease dies down, another one comes out and kills many, then dies down, and then another one comes out. It is like a chain.

    These diseases are being created, and even then Vaccines are just injections of the disease/poison... who knows what that truly is doing.

    I think a cure exist already, but that is just my take. The world needs sick people.


    The truth is that, while pharmaceutical companies gain billions from treating HIV and AIDS, governments and insurance companies would save *trillions* if there were a cure. On top of that, such a conspiracy would have to override altruism and narcissism in every. single. scientist. (and IT geek) on the planet; all it would take to destroy the conspiracy would be one dissenter with adequate evidence and either the compassion to save millions of lives with a single action or the hunger for a Nobel Prize.

    And yes, new diseases happen all the time. Everything living evolves, including pathogens. As for vaccines, they work because they train the immune system to recognize pathogens, much like giving a bloodhound a scent to follow; this is why you haven't died of smallpox or polio.
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    Jul 02, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/13/154869103/traces-of-virus-in-man-cured-of-hiv-trigger-scientific-debate

    Whether or not they have found traces of the virus still in him, he is technically cured. I would imagine that if they could find donors that have that same mutation as the donor in the article, they might be able break some new ground.
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    Jul 02, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
    Jhazz saidhttp://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/13/154869103/traces-of-virus-in-man-cured-of-hiv-trigger-scientific-debate

    Whether or not they have found traces of the virus still in him, he is technically cured. I would imagine that if they could find donors that have that same mutation as the donor in the article, they might be able break some new ground.


    Bone marrow transplants are major surgery, and carry all sorts of additional risks. That is not a viable approach to large-scale treatment.
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    Jul 02, 2012 8:39 PM GMT
    conspiracy theories are so funny. they're usually perpetuated by people who know nothing about what they're talking about.

    that being said, a cure (for those already infected) seems unlikely. we haven't found a cure for the cold, flu, various cancers, etc. because they are highly mutable, and replicate quickly. anti-retrovirals for treatment have come a long way in effectively interrupting the replication processes (and with fewer side effects), but not in killing the virus. and anti-retrovirals for prevention is showing promise, provided that we can create accessibility of the drugs to those who are infected (because putting people on treatment as soon as possible after their initial infection, curbs their ability to transmit the virus and cause new infections).

    vaccines and microbicide barriers seem to hold more promise as a prophylactic prevention method. these could be administered as an immunization, similarly to how we do with measles/mumps/rubella.

    here's an interesting infographic on the deadliest pandemics in human history. HIV is relatively recent, having been around for 30years, in comparison to pandemics which have been around for millennia.

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    Jul 02, 2012 8:45 PM GMT
    jim_stl said
    Jhazz saidhttp://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/13/154869103/traces-of-virus-in-man-cured-of-hiv-trigger-scientific-debate

    Whether or not they have found traces of the virus still in him, he is technically cured. I would imagine that if they could find donors that have that same mutation as the donor in the article, they might be able break some new ground.


    Bone marrow transplants are major surgery, and carry all sorts of additional risks. That is not a viable approach to large-scale treatment.


    I know, I'm saying that if they have people with similar genetic mutations to donate blood, or marrow or whatever they need(I'm not a doctor), then maybe they can find something that will help find a cure.
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    Jul 07, 2012 4:56 AM GMT
    AardvarkPetter saidCancer cured my aids.


    This.
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    Jul 13, 2012 12:54 PM GMT
    Wouldn't it be ironic if the cure for HIV could only be administered via bareback sex? Imagine all the internal conflict!
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    Jul 13, 2012 1:00 PM GMT
    SportyGuy_1 saidno never. Chinese scientists will find a way to wipe out Homosexuality itself first.


    Excuse me Sir,we all know chinese ppls are not very gay frenly and the chinese society basicly imply dun ask dun tell all over the place,but that doesnt mean chinese ppl are homophobic,i think they will probably focus more on the bird flu before the next outbreak.icon_mad.gif
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    Jul 13, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    endo saidWouldn't it be ironic if the cure for HIV could only be administered via bareback sex? Imagine all the internal conflict!


    Internal conflict? No. There'd be people whoring it up and calling it altruism. "Gosh, I'd love to stay and cuddle, but I have to go cure AIDS in that hot muscle bottom next door."
  • bad_wolf

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    Jul 13, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    So far the most interesting solution I've seen is gene therapy that rewrite DNA in the CD4 lymphocytes via malaria, altering the ribosome structure to reject HIV RNA sequences.

    HIV will be present but it'll just sit there and die, unable to effect the body.
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    Jul 13, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    Bambino_Rex said
    jim_stl said
    endo saidWouldn't it be ironic if the cure for HIV could only be administered via bareback sex? Imagine all the internal conflict!


    Internal conflict? No. There'd be people whoring it up and calling it altruism. "Gosh, I'd love to stay and cuddle, but I have to go cure AIDS in that hot muscle bottom next door."


    I'll be right behind you....I think he had SUPER AIDS and needs a double dose of curing.


    Tag-team treatment regimen!
  • shawn06

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    Jul 13, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    What I'm curious about is what ever happened to the guy who was cured of his HIV and Cancer with a stem cell transplant in Germany? Are they following up on this?
  • jim_sf

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    Jul 13, 2012 4:45 PM GMT
    shawn06 saidWhat I'm curious about is what ever happened to the guy who was cured of his HIV and Cancer with a stem cell transplant in Germany? Are they following up on this?


    They are. There appears to be viral RNA left in some of his tissues, but further tests will be needed to tell whether or not those are actually viable, just artifacts from when he was infected, or laboratory error.

    Also: he was "cured" because he received bone marrow from someone with a rare genetic abnormality. He received bone marrow in the first place because he had advanced leukemia. Bone marrow transplants are major surgery, with loads of risks for both living donor and recipient, and even if they do work to cure HIV/AIDS then the solution won't scale.