Sleep (or actually, the lack of it)

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    Jul 03, 2012 8:06 AM GMT
    Help! Which prescription sleep medications should I research, and what are the advantage/pitfalls of the ones you guys take?

    I'm not having this any more. I need to fucking sleep.
  • BmwKid92

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    Jul 03, 2012 8:51 AM GMT
    NyQuil, they just made a new one, specific to sleep

    no applause needed... dont take the sleep pills
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    Jul 03, 2012 8:54 AM GMT
    Alcohol.

    Like srsly.

    I have trouble sleeping, too...mostly because my job currently has me waking up at 3am (woke up early today accidentally). My normal sleep pattern is 2-4 hours at a time. I seriously don't remember the last time I got more than 5 hours of sleep without getting drunk.

    Can't wait to get back to a job where the workday doesn't start till 10 or 11am. These mornings are fucking killing me.
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    Jul 03, 2012 10:26 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidAlcohol.

    Like srsly.

    I have trouble sleeping, too...mostly because my job currently has me waking up at 3am (woke up early today accidentally). My normal sleep pattern is 2-4 hours at a time. I seriously don't remember the last time I got more than 5 hours of sleep without getting drunk.

    Can't wait to get back to a job where the workday doesn't start till 10 or 11am. These mornings are fucking killing me.


    Yeouch. Sorry, that does not sound healthy at all. icon_cry.gif
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    Jul 03, 2012 10:53 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidAlcohol.

    Like srsly.

    I have trouble sleeping, too...mostly because my job currently has me waking up at 3am (woke up early today accidentally). My normal sleep pattern is 2-4 hours at a time. I seriously don't remember the last time I got more than 5 hours of sleep without getting drunk.

    Can't wait to get back to a job where the workday doesn't start till 10 or 11am. These mornings are fucking killing me.


    Yeouch. Sorry, that does not sound healthy at all. icon_cry.gif
    Oh it's not. I even took today off as a result (was just about to leave for work and changed my mind). Just not safe to fly today.
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    Jul 03, 2012 11:36 AM GMT
    Check out melatonin. Not a prescription drug, but it definitely helps with sleep. It'll help you fall to sleep and give you a deeper sleep as well.
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    Jul 03, 2012 12:31 PM GMT
    ^^ agree with Matt_TO
    I was a notorious insomniac. much of it was stress related.
    Take melatonin - extra strength and slow release tablets. It will get you into a deeper sleep throughout the night, and its not addictive. You can buy it at sports nutrition stores (e.g. GNC), health food stores, and in drug stores over the counter (not a prescription).

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    Jul 03, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidHelp! Which prescription sleep medications should I research, and what are the advantage/pitfalls of the ones you guys take?

    I'm not having this any more. I need to fucking sleep.


    Oxazepam or Diazepam - can make you cranky the next day but will allow you to sleep.

    I've been using a non prescription product called "Hemotropin" by Nutrabolics which encourages deep sleep - and for me it works well... and is supposed to assist with the production of HGH too.
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    Jul 03, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
    I have sleep issues too. I don't think I've woken up "refreshed" in the morning more than three times since I hit puberty! One of the first things your doctor will do before prescribing anything is determine the cause of your sleep problems. Is it stress? Diet? Not enough exercise? Personal habits (ie. eating too late, staying up too late, not having a suitable environment for sleeping, etc.)? Or perhaps you have a sleeping disorder, like sleep apnea (which could be determined by an overnight stay at a sleep clinic)? Or possibly a combination of things. You don't indicate any of these things so it's hard to suggest what you need. While a sleep aid would be good in the short term, you need to understand what is causing your sleep issues so that you don't become dependent on meds. Discuss these issues with your doctor and make an informed decision! Pleasant dreams!
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    Jul 03, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    xanadude saidI have sleep issues too. I don't think I've woken up "refreshed" in the morning more than three times since I hit puberty! One of the first things your doctor will do before prescribing anything is determine the cause of your sleep problems. Is it stress? Diet? Not enough exercise? Personal habits (ie. eating too late, staying up too late, not having a suitable environment for sleeping, etc.)? Or perhaps you have a sleeping disorder, like sleep apnea (which could be determined by an overnight stay at a sleep clinic)? Or possibly a combination of things. You don't indicate any of these things so it's hard to suggest what you need. While a sleep aid would be good in the short term, you need to understand what is causing your sleep issues so that you don't become dependent on meds. Discuss these issues with your doctor and make an informed decision! Pleasant dreams!


    This.

    I finally went to a sleep doctor and found that I was was expeeriencing apnea as many as 46 times an hour in episodes of up to 30 seconds. Imagine not breathing for a third of your sleep. It took them two tests to sort it out and then diagnose.

    There really could be a physical cause for your problems.

    Also, be sure to tell the doc about any supplements or boosters you may be using. Could be something there.

    Good luck.
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    Jul 03, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    I had a problem with sleep years ago and a friend turned me on to the MELATONIN - BENADRYL cocktail. One of each of those an hour before bedtime and you should sleep like a baby...works better than AMBIEN without the groggy morning after-effects. If that doesn't work, double up on the Melatonin (which is not a drug by the way) It works! I buy mine at Costco and it's like $8.99 for a bottle of 300.
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    Jul 03, 2012 2:06 PM GMT
    one more thing:

    i determined that my insomnia was in fact due to over-training (working out too much), the timing of the supplements i was taking (especially the pre-workout energy drink in the evening), and unconscious stress related to the approaching anniversary of my dad's death.

    i adjusted the gym routine, cut out the pre-workout drink, went to see an acupuncturist about the stress, and occasionally took a melatonin to get me back into the sleep cycle. it worked!

    now i don't see the accupuncturist anymore, i don't take the melatonin (except on business trips where i'm crossing time zones), and i will do on/off cycles of the pre-workout energy drink.
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    Jul 03, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
    Link is about research done by a historian on the "myth of 8 hour sleep" in our culture. There is also a podcast available on the NPR show "Fresh Air" from WHYY. Apparently "we" are the only people in history to have ever slept 8 hours and sleeping for shorter periods and waking is not unnatural or unhealthy. See what you think?

    http://www.history.vt.edu/Ekirch/sleepcommentary.html

    Here is the NPR link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5225305
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    Jul 03, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    Jack,

    Try GABA. It's your brain's natural neurotransmitter to induce sleep. I like it because it can be metabolized naturally since it is a normal chemical in your body.

    One dosage calms you down. Two dosages puts you to sleep.


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    It's interesting, the natural state for your brain is to be asleep. You don't sleep to get rid of the sleep chemical. You sleep to build up the chemical that blocks the production of the sleep chemical. Then as the time goes by while you are awake, you use up that wake-up chemical and the sleep chemical production resumes, until you can't stay awake.
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    Jul 03, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    as far for me Beer beermug.jpg

    or a glass of warm milk does the job for me.icon_biggrin.gif

    yess in ZZZZzzzzz...
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    Jul 03, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    A few words from a sleep medicine person:

    First of all, there are two things that we need to differentiate between: Length of sleep and Sleep EFFICIENCY. You can be sleeping 12 hours a night and still wake up tired and be fatigued throughout the day, if that sleep is not efficient (normal) sleep.

    Let me say right now that if you are getting enough normal sleep, you should be able to wake up in the morning and within 2 minutes feel alert and you should feel alert throughout the entire day (no naps) with a brief dip in alertness from 1-3PM (which has nothing to do with eating lunch...total myth!!)

    If you're tired either you aren't getting enough sleep or your sleep isn't efficient. Non-efficient sleep can be due to one of many pathologies (there are 80 named sleep disorders). There are different treatments for different disorders but unfortunately just taking a sleeping pill isn't going to help you for most of them.

    Sleeping pills are not addictive, which is another myth. But they will not help you if you have the most common pathologies. If you have Obstructive Sleep Apnea for example, a pill isn't going to do anything.

    Also, some people take tranquilizers to help them sleep...like xanax, atitvan, a group of meds known as benzodiazapenes. These are meds usually used to treat anxiety but are sedating. But be careful because these repress the respiratory system and if you DO have sleep apnea, it could cause you to suffocate in your sleep.

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    Jul 03, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    When I can't sleep I take couple benedryl. Stuff knocks me out in about an hour. But after 2 days I find its affects diminish so its not a long term fix (after a few days it works well again).
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    Jul 03, 2012 3:13 PM GMT
    Skip the sleeping pills and give behavioral changes a shot first:
    http://www.amazon.com/Good-Night-Insomnia-Gregg-Jacobs/dp/0805089586/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341327703&sr=8-1&keywords=say+goodnight+to+insomnia

    Cheesy book title, but the strategies in there are really helpful, and the information about sleep cycles, factors that affect circadian rhythm, etc, are great for the information alone.

    I still struggle with insomnia occasionally (it's always stress-related for me), but behavioral changes have helped a lot. If I'm really having a hard time, I'll take 0.5 - 1mg Klonopin (prescription) just to make sure I get a decent night's sleep, but I try to avoid using it more than once or twice a month if possible. The more you use that stuff, the more dependent you become on it for sleep -- you'll just end up having to take higher doses or switching to something else. Try to use it as a back-up and not a primary strategy.

    Melatonin has the opposite effect on me (keeps me awake), and alcohol definitely makes your sleep worse -- not better.
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    Jul 03, 2012 7:58 PM GMT
    I like ZMA: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/zma.html, and a lot of ZMA supplements include melatonin. I sleep really deeply and there's research that indicates it may support recovery post-workout and boost testosterone. It's also pretty natural - Zinc, Magnesium and Vitamin B6.
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    Jul 03, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
    ^^^This^^^

    I've been using ZMA for about 8 months now. While I never had any sleep issues, I find that on the ZMA I sleep deeper and wake more refreshed. Gives you some pretty vivid dreams too.
  • sloughwest

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    Jul 03, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    Sleep is necessary in different amounts for different people, and varies by season and age.

    If you have slept right you should wake up and be ready to get out of bed.

    Environment is key :-

    1. Getting too hot or too cold while you are asleep will disturb your sleep

    2. If you throw the covers off in the night, and then get cold... wear pyjamas so you can't get really cold

    3. Quietness.... yep your subconcious is on the listen for any reason to wake you up so if the telly is still on and makes a sudden change in volume (adverts) it'll start the wake up process (use an off timer if you prefer to go to sleep with TV/radio on)

    4. Darkness.... yep it's good to sleep in a darkened room.... but good to wake up in a light room

    5. When you can don't wake up till your body wants to (no alarm) , if you can get a light to switch on 15 mins before your alarm goes off your eyes will think day has dawned and you will be awake naturally rather than by nasty noise alarm.

    6. Stressed about work / life , relax... any thoughts in your mind put them individually in an imaginary box in your mind and close the lid till tomorrow. Or write them down so you can read them tomorrow.

    7. food and drink may help you sleep... but not necessarily good quality sleep.. work out what affects you but cutting it out (alcohol, caffeine, full stomach, cheese, water (needing to get up in the night), etc.) try not drinking cafffeine more than 5 hours before you sleep etc. to see if it is affecting your sleep

    8. Forgotten to do something, yes we've all done it , got all comfy in bed and remembered we didn't feed the cat, send that email.... go and do it or it will keep you awake

    Still having trouble sleeping / waking ... message me
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    Jul 03, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    Matt_TO saidCheck out melatonin. Not a prescription drug, but it definitely helps with sleep. It'll help you fall to sleep and give you a deeper sleep as well.


    ^

    probably the hormone for your sleep wake cylce isnt being produced enough in your body which melatonin by your pineal gland. Maybe get it checked out if your cant sleep.
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    Jul 03, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    I agree with those stating to try and fix your environmental issues first.

    1) sleep in a darkened and quite room
    2) don't play on your smart phone or computer before going to bed. The light on your eyes from the screen and the flicker of the screen will hamper your sleep cycle from setting in. Also don't listen to loud music before bedtime.
    3) try and sleep and wake up at the same time everyday including weekends
    4) if you workout in the evening and are doing any gym soppy you may want to consider cutting down or eliminating them. especially if they contain stimulants
    5) excessive working out will over stimulate your CNS. your rest and hence recovery will be hampered. So will working out too close to bed time.
    6) prepare for bed by doing something calming and not running around right until just before getting into bed
    7) work on fixing or eliminating any emotional stresses in your life, if any.

    OTC supps like melatonin work for some. I haven't tried it but I've read that it needs to be cycled every 9 weeks. Besides sleep aids loose their effect with prolonged use.
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    Jul 04, 2012 4:39 AM GMT
    TellMeMoar saidI agree with those stating to try and fix your environmental issues first.

    1) sleep in a darkened and quite room
    2) don't play on your smart phone or computer before going to bed. The light on your eyes from the screen and the flicker of the screen will hamper your sleep cycle from setting in. Also don't listen to loud music before bedtime.
    3) try and sleep and wake up at the same time everyday including weekends
    4) if you workout in the evening and are doing any gym soppy you may want to consider cutting down or eliminating them. especially if they contain stimulants
    5) excessive working out will over stimulate your CNS. your rest and hence recovery will be hampered. So will working out too close to bed time.
    6) prepare for bed by doing something calming and not running around right until just before getting into bed
    7) work on fixing or eliminating any emotional stresses in your life, if any.

    OTC supps like melatonin work for some. I haven't tried it but I've read that it needs to be cycled every 9 weeks. Besides sleep aids loose their effect with prolonged use.


    Could't have said it better. I find mentally switching off to be really important. Making a set time to say no more TV, laptop or phone and just going to bed with a book until you fall asleep!