CIA involvement in alot of unsavoury governments.

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    Jul 03, 2012 8:55 PM GMT
    Patrice Émery Lumumba (2 July 1925 – 17 January 1961) was a Congolese independence leader and the first legally elected Prime Minister of the Republic of the Congo after he helped win its independence from Belgium in June 1960. Only twelve weeks later, Lumumba's government was deposed in a coup during the Congo Crisis. He was subsequently imprisoned and executed by firing squad, an act that was committed with the assistance of the government of Belgium, for which the Belgian government officially apologized in 2002.

    American and Belgian involvement

    "Lumumba’s pan-Africanism and his vision of a united Congo gained him many enemies. Both Belgium and the United States actively sought to have him killed. The CIA ordered his assassination but could not complete the job. Instead, the United States and Belgium covertly funneled cash and aid to rival politicians who seized power and arrested Lumumba." U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower had said "something [to CIA chief Allen Dulles] to the effect that Lumumba should be eliminated". This was revealed by a declassified interview with then-US National Security Council minutekeeper Robert Johnson released in August 2000 from Senate intelligence committee's inquiry on covert action. The committee later found that while the CIA had conspired to kill Lumumba, it was not directly involved in the actual murder.

    Church Committee

    In 1975, the Church Committee went on record with the finding that Allen Dulles had ordered Lumumba's assassination as "an urgent and prime objective". Furthermore, declassified CIA cables quoted or mentioned in the Church report and in Kalb (1972) mention two specific CIA plots to murder Lumumba: the poison plot and a shooting plot. Although some sources claim that CIA plots ended when Lumumba was captured, that is not stated or shown in the CIA records. Rather, those records show two still-partly-censored CIA cables from Elizabethville on days significant in the murder: January 17, the day Lumumba died, and January 18, the day of the first exhumation. The former, after a long censored section, talks about where they need to go from there. The latter expresses thanks for Lumumba being sent to them and then says that, had Elizabethville base known he was coming, they would have "baked a snake". Significantly, a CIA officer told another CIA officer later that he had had Lumumba's body in the trunk of his car to try to find a way to dispose of it. This cable goes on to state that the writer's sources (not yet declassified) said that after being taken from the airport Lumumba was imprisoned by "all white guards".


    What gave Eisenhower the right to say whether Prime Minister Lumumba should live or die??? Communist, Marxist, Socialist or pro-Western Lumumba was still the elected leader of Congo and not a single human being on earth or government; never mind, the United States has the right to play God and condemn a man's life. The CIA have alot of blood, as do the Belgians for all the turmoil in the Congo.




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    Jul 03, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    While I don't think that realpolitik is ideal - but that's sort of the point. I don't think you can point a finger at the CIA/Americans without also looking what was happening on the other side of the cold war with the Soviets. Let's not forget the much larger horrors of communism/socialism or however liberals these days are disassociating themselves from that movement these days, killed far more people than the Nazis ever did.
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    Jul 03, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidWhile I don't think that realpolitik is ideal - but that's sort of the point. I don't think you can point a finger at the CIA/Americans without also looking what was happening on the other side of the cold war with the Soviets. Let's not forget the much larger horrors of communism/socialism or however liberals these days are disassociating themselves from that movement these days, killed far more people than the Nazis ever did.


    Oh asboustely. The Soviets are just as guilty. I totally agree with your point.
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    Jul 04, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    This is not news. "Intelligence Agencies" have been involved in "international affairs" for thousands of years.
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    Jul 04, 2012 9:07 AM GMT
    The CIA is right in the middle of instigating problems in Syria too, They want regime change so they're funding even some alquida tainted groups to stir up problems and innocents are getting killed and its not always by the Syrian Government thugs either.

    CIA are providing weapons training and money, just like they did with Bin Ladin, just as they did in bringing down the Democratically elected leader of Iran in the 50's, then we propped up a despotic leader "FOR OUR INTERESTS" which all led to the hostage crisis. Will our Government never learn ? Every time we get our noses in the middle it always backfires, then our country pays with the poor mans sons blood and more cost to fight blowback terrorism. THIS IS SICK !!!
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    Jul 04, 2012 9:11 AM GMT
    I don't think you can point a finger at the CIA/Americans without also looking what was happening on the other side of the cold war with the Soviets.
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    Jul 04, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    Its quite apparent to me and from what I read, the international community also believes that nnder Bush/Cheney and now Obama's indiscriminate Drone strikes, that the US has lost the "moral highground" and has no basis to point fingers at any other country.

    US caving to Israel's international lawbreaking settlement theft of land is one of the most glaring examples Israel Settlement expansions while maintaining the occupation, is fast bringing about the demise of Palestinians hopes for peace. What's most obvious about it is the hypocrisy is based on money and influence for US elections through the Israeli Lobby AIPAC and its funding arms All this is directly connected to Israels Far Right LIKUD Government led by Netanyahu and financed by the dual national ADELSON. The world watches in amazement as the duped religious right in the US supports the above with their tax dollars.