Who's your favorite American Founding Father?

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    Jul 04, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    I'd have to say Geirge Washinton, because withou his virtue our revolution could have gone the way of the French and Russian revolutions.
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    Jul 04, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    You know, well, all of them because they came collectively together with…so much diversity in terms of belief but collectively they came together to form this union.
    They were led by, of course, George Washington. So he’s got to rise to the top. Washington was the consummate statesman. He served, he turned power to the people. He didn’t want to be a king. He returned power to the people. Then he went back to Mount Vernon. He went back to his farm. He was almost reluctant to serve as president too and that’s who you need to find to serve in government, in a bureaucracy — those who you know will serve for the right reasons because they’re reluctant to get out there and seek a limelight and seek power. They’re doing it for the people, that was George Washington.
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    Jul 04, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    And Jefferson kinda lost points with me when he said gays should be castrated.... icon_eek.gif

    Thomas Jefferson on Homosexuality
    Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, drafted a bill concerning the criminal laws of Virginia in which he directed that the penalty for sodomy should be castration.

    Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew A. Lipscomb, ed. (Washington, Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904) Vol. I, pp. 226-27, from Jefferson's "For Proportioning Crimes and Punishments."


    So again, kinda with the "all men are created equal," except gays thing.

    Whereas Washington just had gays drummed outta the army...

    Washington on Homosexuality,
    (refering to himself in 3rd person) "His excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes" . . .

    He communicated his position by his actions and his words in this General Order for March 14, 1778:

    At a General Court Martial wereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 177icon_cool.gif, Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom's Regiment [was] tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false accounts, [he was] found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and [we] do sentence him to be disniss'd [from] the service with infamy.

    (Washington refering to himself in 3rd person)" His excellency the Commander in Chief [Washington] approves the sentence and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the Army never to return; The drummers and fifers [are] to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose."

    George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, ed. (Washington, U.S. Government Printing Office, 1934), Vol. XI, pp.83-84, from General Orders at Valley Forge on March 14, 1778.


    The diary of Lieut. James McMichael records the sentence being carried out on 15 March 1778: "March 15. — I this morning proceeded to the grand parade, where I was a spectator to the drumming out of Lieut. Enslin of Col. Malcom's regiment. He was first drum'd from right to left of the parade, thence to the left wing of the army; from that to the centre, and lastly transported over the Schuylkill with orders never to be seen in Camp in the future. This shocking scene was performed by all the drums and fifes in the army— the coat of the delinquent was turned wrong side out."[3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Gotthold_Enslin
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    Jul 04, 2012 10:40 PM GMT
    I agree that each of the main figures were important and brought something valuable to the founding. Though, in my opinion, there is absolutely no United States of America without Washington. He is the founding father of our country for good reason. His intellect has often been questioned, in comparison with Franklin, Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, and Madison but that was simply because he was more circumspect in his proclamations then the other founders. As we still see, to this day, the more verbal you are the more attention you get.
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    Jul 04, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
    None of them as they all owned slaves, tobacco and alcohol companies and just wanted to avoid paying taxes, bit like the bankers today.
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    Jul 04, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
    A Native American.
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    Jul 04, 2012 11:16 PM GMT
    I never knew people had their favourite founding fathers...
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    Jul 04, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    METAMORPH saidA Native American.


    They definitely 'found' America first, anyway.
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    Jul 04, 2012 11:26 PM GMT
    Ariodante said
    METAMORPH saidA Native American.


    They definitely 'found' America first, anyway.


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    Jul 04, 2012 11:26 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidYou know, well, all of them because they came collectively together with…so much diversity in terms of belief but collectively they came together to form this union.
    They were led by, of course, George Washington. So he’s got to rise to the top. Washington was the consummate statesman. He served, he turned power to the people. He didn’t want to be a king. He returned power to the people. Then he went back to Mount Vernon. He went back to his farm. He was almost reluctant to serve as president too and that’s who you need to find to serve in government, in a bureaucracy — those who you know will serve for the right reasons because they’re reluctant to get out there and seek a limelight and seek power. They’re doing it for the people, that was George Washington.


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    Jul 04, 2012 11:37 PM GMT
    I suck at history... does this count?


    lol...

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    Jul 04, 2012 11:41 PM GMT
    I have to go with Madison simply because I love his term "faction" and how it's evolved as he predicted it would.
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    Jul 04, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
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    Iceblink saidYou know, well, all of them because they came collectively together with…so much diversity in terms of belief but collectively they came together to form this union.
    They were led by, of course, George Washington. So he’s got to rise to the top. Washington was the consummate statesman. He served, he turned power to the people. He didn’t want to be a king. He returned power to the people. Then he went back to Mount Vernon. He went back to his farm. He was almost reluctant to serve as president too and that’s who you need to find to serve in government, in a bureaucracy — those who you know will serve for the right reasons because they’re reluctant to get out there and seek a limelight and seek power. They’re doing it for the people, that was George Washington.


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    Jul 04, 2012 11:46 PM GMT
    Post sexy pictures of your favorite founding fathers.
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    Jul 05, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidAnd Jefferson kinda lost points with me when he said gays should be castrated.... icon_eek.gif

    Thomas Jefferson on Homosexuality
    Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, drafted a bill concerning the criminal laws of Virginia in which he directed that the penalty for sodomy should be castration.

    Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew A. Lipscomb, ed. (Washington, Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904) Vol. I, pp. 226-27, from Jefferson's "For Proportioning Crimes and Punishments."


    So again, kinda with the "all men are created equal," except gays thing.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States "In 1778 Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy,[1] however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state.[2]"
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    Jul 05, 2012 12:21 AM GMT
    Franklin- eccentric, scientist, inventor, philosopher, occultist, astrologer, master mason, ambassador to France (which made our revolution possible), and horny as a goat.
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    Jul 05, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    Comrade_Cranky saidWasn't there one named Bob something? He was pretty cool.


    You remember them all, don't you?? First name basis with all of the signers of the Constitution, right? Hee hee!

    Thought I would get in one Independence Day tease at you!
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    Jul 05, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
    I need to see the shirtless pics from the Continental Congress first
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    Jul 05, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
    Jesus
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    Jul 05, 2012 1:21 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidYou know, well, all of them because they came collectively together with…so much diversity in terms of belief but collectively they came together to form this union.
    They were led by, of course, George Washington. So he’s got to rise to the top. Washington was the consummate statesman. He served, he turned power to the people. He didn’t want to be a king. He returned power to the people. Then he went back to Mount Vernon. He went back to his farm. He was almost reluctant to serve as president too and that’s who you need to find to serve in government, in a bureaucracy — those who you know will serve for the right reasons because they’re reluctant to get out there and seek a limelight and seek power. They’re doing it for the people, that was George Washington.



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    Jul 05, 2012 1:24 AM GMT
    John Adams - his wig is devoid of all flaws.
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    Jul 05, 2012 1:26 AM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidWho's your favorite American Founding Father?
    The first one who signs into the Constitution that EVERYONE should have equal rights.
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    Jul 05, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    People of the past, are so far behind. What do they know?

    Lulz, this*thread..
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    Jul 05, 2012 1:36 AM GMT
    JR_RJ saidPeople of the past, are so far behind. What do they know?
    They know what their pastors told them...which was to hate all non-straight and non-white people.
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    Jul 05, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
    I can't seem to be able to choose between:
    Esther Deberdt Reed
    Sarah Franklin Bache
    Abigail Adams
    Catherine Moore Barry
    Margaret Corbin
    Nancy Hart
    Molly Hays McCauley
    Nancy Ward
    Phillis Wheatley
    Hannah Arnett
    Martha Bratton
    Lydia Darragh
    Sybil Ludington
    Rebecca Motte
    Besty Ross
    Mercy Otis Warren
    Prudence Wright
    Elizabeth Zane
    Penelope Barker
    Elizabeth Burgin
    Emily Geiger
    Grace and Rachel Martin
    Mary Lindley Murray
    Deborah Sampson
    Martha Washington
    Patience Wright