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Minorities and homosexuality

• TheOmegaMan Posts: 60
  QUOTE Jul 04, 2012 10:50 PM GMT

  Is there a sticky about this? I think there should be.
  
  Do you feel that minorities have a considerably harder time coming out or being open in their communities?
  
  If so, why do you think this is?
  
  I'm black and I come from the ghetto of Baltimore City and being gay here is NOT acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to assume it has something to do with the high Baptist culture of many black Americans.
  
  What's your take on it?

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  QUOTE Jul 04, 2012 10:54 PM GMT

  
  I would tend to think if more of a "macho" thing...after all, ya gotta be tough to survive in the 'hood, right?? And by all means...get as many bitches preggie as you possibly can...
  I DO agree with you... I know it must be harder for many guys from "ethnic" backgrounds to come out publicly. I think the WASPS have it much easier... no matter if they're Catholic, Baptist...or whatever (other than Muslim).

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  QUOTE Jul 04, 2012 10:56 PM GMT

  NAACP has already expressed its acceptance of marriage equality.
  
  The guy I'm currently dating is black, and from Connecticut. Being gay is not acceptable there, either, yet I talked to his mom (on the phone) on Mother's day and she welcomed me with open arms, so to speak.
  
  Do I think minorities have a harder time being gay? No...I don't "think" they do...I KNOW they do.
  
  Baptist has nothing to do with it. It's all about how big your balls are, and well you stand up for yourself. If people think you're willing to fight to the death, they're more likely to leave you alone and eventually accept who are you.

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  QUOTE Jul 04, 2012 11:45 PM GMT

  Well I posted something similar like this...so I get where you are coming from
  
  before I get to my point PAUL YOU LIKE BLACK GUYS...GIVE ME A FUCKING CALL..I GIVE GOOD BLOW JOBS...well atleast i think i would
  
  
  anyway, African Americans are stupid. I am sorry but as a WHOLE we suck. No I am not a reverse racist, but it is somewhat true. I am just upset so my exaggeration is bigger.
  
  
  It is interesting though, how if anyone we know was called a Nigger point blank it would be a problem, but blacks tend to be the most judgemental, homophobic, hypocritical people around. Aside from other gays.
  
  It's weird because you would think being a minority you would learn to accept other minorities.
  
  because Gay Blacks, are a minorty within a minority.
  
  
  but then you have the reverse side, how some are treated badly because they are different, so they do the same to others who are different.
  
  I know the media...especially BET and rappers and other so called "Icons" do not make it any easier.
  
  It is sad really. Alot of studies think it may be religious based, and it may have started off that way, because I am a Pentecostal Christian in the heart of Alabama so I get it, but now a days,
  
  African Americans, are huge in numbers when it comes to crime, fornication, drugs etc etc etc.
  
  point blank we live in a world where sin is only sin if you are gay. If you are not gay than everything else is just normal because most do it.
  
  People don't read the bible that they thump for if they did they would no, one sin isnt above the next...but sadly, its not like that.
  
  I have had family members, who are drug dealers, been to jail with kids at the age of 18, dropped out of school, fight their parents and fight all the time call me out for being gay and judge me.
  
  It's so ridiculous...I just cut communication with people like that all off.

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• TheOmegaMan Posts: 60
  QUOTE Jul 04, 2012 11:58 PM GMT

  Wow, me and you agree 100%.
  
  I'm assuming you're out to your family then? How did that go?

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  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 1:53 AM GMT

  JamieJfromtheA said...
  before I get to my point PAUL YOU LIKE BLACK GUYS...GIVE ME A FUCKING CALL..I GIVE GOOD BLOW JOBS...well atleast i think i would
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  Sorry, I don't do phone sex.

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  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 2:02 AM GMT

  I don't believe society should be balanced out in equality using a test tube of Scientific politics so I have a difficult time with the word minority... especially these days. The way I remember it, homosexuality was accepted by the black culture long before it was accepted by the white culture. I remember when I was young there were more black guys hitting on me then there were white and I can remember getting my face smashed numerous times for being homosexual. I had to adapt and what made it easier to adapt was noticing more and more white guys at the gay clubs. Personally, I could care less what color a guy is... I've played with them all; what I do care about is how "minority" thrives off the word "prejudice" which just creates more of a problem because gay people are the least prejudice people I know! I would hate to see all the bad politics brought into the gay community also. Peace.

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  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 2:20 AM GMT

  TheOmegaMan saidWow, me and you agree 100%.
  
  I'm assuming you're out to your family then? How did that go?

  
  
  My dad acts as if I never said anything, and when other family members assume I am straight he goes along with it.
  
  My sisters...sigh...it is a long story.
  
  i am out to all my family..and honestly it isnt so great,
  
  its like I broken free of the prison but I still have shackles on.
  
  
  @Paul... I will cum see you. get it "cum" see you, see what I did there. hehe

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• Webster666 Posts: 7868
  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 2:20 AM GMT

  TheOmegaMan saidIs there a sticky about this? I think there should be.
  
  Do you feel that minorities have a considerably harder time coming out or being open in their communities?
  
  If so, why do you think this is?
  
  I'm black and I come from the ghetto of Baltimore City and being gay here is NOT acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to assume it has something to do with the high Baptist culture of many black Americans.
  
  What's your take on it?

  
  
  
  I agree with you.
  Also, the less a particular group of people talk about a certain topic (homosexuality, in this example), the more ignorance surrounds it. And, with many topics, the more ignorance there is, the greater the notion that it must be something bad. Then, there's the notion that anything different is bad.

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• araphael Posts: 1148
  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 2:53 AM GMT

  TheOmegaMan saidIs there a sticky about this? I think there should be.
  
  Do you feel that minorities have a considerably harder time coming out or being open in their communities?
  
  If so, why do you think this is?
  
  I'm black and I come from the ghetto of Baltimore City and being gay here is NOT acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to assume it has something to do with the high Baptist culture of many black Americans.
  
  What's your take on it?

  
  
  Of course black gays have a harder time in this country, and I single out America specifically for a reason (I have travelled to other countries and seen their gay culture up close). You have to understand that many gay white guys (there are exceptions) have it easy as a general rule because they can hide their gayness underneath their white skin in this country. And if those few brave ones do decide to "come out" they come out in a country that sees their skin color before seeing their gayness. This has allowed gay white men to be both "oppressed" as a "gay" minority and still retain their position in the white oppressive majority. And many of them will never abandon racism towards folks of African descent because it would mean threatning their white skin priviledge. This is what makes Obama's actions sort of puzzling to some gay black people. Which group does he think (and I think he has a good heart actually) he is making life better for in this country? The answer to any rational observing person would be racist white gay guys. Their lives are going to get better because of Obama because they can now be gay and white openly, but retain their racism towards black skinned people when it comes to sex or economics. But your question is fascinating. You're intelligent enough a guy to think about such realistic things. Cool dude.

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  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 3:09 AM GMT

  araphael said

  TheOmegaMan saidIs there a sticky about this? I think there should be.
  
  Do you feel that minorities have a considerably harder time coming out or being open in their communities?
  
  If so, why do you think this is?
  
  I'm black and I come from the ghetto of Baltimore City and being gay here is NOT acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to assume it has something to do with the high Baptist culture of many black Americans.
  
  What's your take on it?

  
  
  Of course black gays have a harder time in this country, and I single out America specifically for a reason (I have travelled to other countries and seen their gay culture up close). You have to understand that many gay white guys (there are exceptions) have it easy as a general rule because they can hide their gayness underneath their white skin in this country. And if those few brave ones do decide to "come out" they come out in a country that sees their skin color before seeing their gayness. This has allowed gay white men to be both "oppressed" as a "gay" minority and still retain their position in the white oppressive majority. And many of them will never abandon racism towards folks of African descent because it would mean threatning their white skin priviledge. This is what makes Obama's actions sort of puzzling to some gay black people. Which group does he think (and I think he has a good heart actually) he is making life better for in this country? The answer to any rational observing person would be racist white gay guys. Their lives are going to get better because they can now be gay and white openly, but retain their racism when it comes to sex or economics. But your question is fascinating. You're intelligent enough a guy to think about such realistic things. Cool dude.

  
  
  Actually the way I see it is the exact opposite. I see minorities using their "status" to also get two free tickets to freedom by throwing in homosexuality to the list.
  
  Why keep the subject silent as you have opened up quite frankly about it yourself? How can you come here to your gay brothers and suggest the same damn racism all of us white guys should back off from when THEY accepted you?????
  
  I think it astonishes white people that there are a lot of gay black men because white people are use to them in sports and don't see the average sportsperson as being gay.
  
  I really hate to say it because I am not socially conservative, but you need to get off the pity pot. Society has given you your break and you will be respected by all creeds for taking responsibility for your freedom at the same time of being accountable for your actions.
  
  Nothing against you personally, but I can see where this is going.

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  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 3:40 PM GMT

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  araphael said

  TheOmegaMan saidIs there a sticky about this? I think there should be.
  
  Do you feel that minorities have a considerably harder time coming out or being open in their communities?
  
  If so, why do you think this is?
  
  I'm black and I come from the ghetto of Baltimore City and being gay here is NOT acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to assume it has something to do with the high Baptist culture of many black Americans.
  
  What's your take on it?

  
  
  Of course black gays have a harder time in this country, and I single out America specifically for a reason (I have travelled to other countries and seen their gay culture up close). You have to understand that many gay white guys (there are exceptions) have it easy as a general rule because they can hide their gayness underneath their white skin in this country. And if those few brave ones do decide to "come out" they come out in a country that sees their skin color before seeing their gayness. This has allowed gay white men to be both "oppressed" as a "gay" minority and still retain their position in the white oppressive majority. And many of them will never abandon racism towards folks of African descent because it would mean threatning their white skin priviledge. This is what makes Obama's actions sort of puzzling to some gay black people. Which group does he think (and I think he has a good heart actually) he is making life better for in this country? The answer to any rational observing person would be racist white gay guys. Their lives are going to get better because they can now be gay and white openly, but retain their racism when it comes to sex or economics. But your question is fascinating. You're intelligent enough a guy to think about such realistic things. Cool dude.

  
  
  Actually the way I see it is the exact opposite. I see minorities using their "status" to also get two free tickets to freedom by throwing in homosexuality to the list.
  
  Why keep the subject silent as you have opened up quite frankly about it yourself? How can you come here to your gay brothers and suggest the same damn racism all of us white guys should back off from when THEY accepted you?????
  
  I think it astonishes white people that there are a lot of gay black men because white people are use to them in sports and don't see the average sportsperson as being gay.
  
  I really hate to say it because I am not socially conservative, but you need to get off the pity pot. Society has given you your break and you will be respected by all creeds for taking responsibility for your freedom at the same time of being accountable for your actions.
  
  Nothing against you personally, but I can see where this is going.

  
  
  
  
  "Society has given us a break."...

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  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 3:42 PM GMT

  TheOmegaMan saidIs there a sticky about this? I think there should be.
  
  Do you feel that minorities have a considerably harder time coming out or being open in their communities?
  
  If so, why do you think this is?
  
  I'm black and I come from the ghetto of Baltimore City and being gay here is NOT acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to assume it has something to do with the high Baptist culture of many black Americans.
  
  What's your take on it?

  
  
  That's bullshit. Coming out in a trailer park is just as bad as coming out in the hood. Log onto grindr right now and you'll see a shitload of torsos of every shade, but especially white.
  
  

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  QUOTE Jul 05, 2012 3:44 PM GMT

  FriendsOnly said
  I would tend to think if more of a "macho" thing...after all, ya gotta be tough to survive in the 'hood, right?? And by all means...get as many bitches preggie as you possibly can...
  

  
  
  I'm gonna save this, for the next time someone says some shit about fat people and you turn into sasha fierce.

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  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 1:17 AM GMT

  Absolutely. I think part of it has to do with the way black men are seen by society. We're thugs, criminals, athletes, rappers, etc., which all have an association with hyper-masculinity but very rarely in settings that are neither masculine nor feminine, but neutral for lack of a better word. And I think that as time goes on we start to adopt this stereotype of what a black man is supposed to be, how he is supposed to act.
  
  I can't tell you how many times I've seen a little black boy crying and someone telling him, "stop being a little punk" or someone going to comfort him and someone else saying, "Don't baby him. You don't want him growing up to be a punk." So it starts at a very young age unfortunately.
  
  So of course it is going to be very difficult to be openly gay in this type of environment. I consider myself blessed because my family has been extremely supportive, but I have older openly gay people in my family as well. But it even took me a long time before I came out to my family.

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  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 1:34 AM GMT

  TheOmegaMan saidIs there a sticky about this? I think there should be.
  
  Do you feel that minorities have a considerably harder time coming out or being open in their communities?
  
  If so, why do you think this is?
  
  I'm black and I come from the ghetto of Baltimore City and being gay here is NOT acceptable in the slightest. I'm going to assume it has something to do with the high Baptist culture of many black Americans.
  
  What's your take on it?

  
  
  I don't think it has anything to do with skin color and more to do with lack of education and the poverty that accompanies it. Add to that the solace the poor find in blind faith and rigidity of religion and you have the recipe for bigotry. This is true of the white poor, the black poor, the yellow poor, the red poor, brown poor...

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  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 1:39 AM GMT

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  I really hate to say it because I am not socially conservative, but you need to get off the pity pot. Society has given you your break and you will be respected by all creeds for taking responsibility for your freedom at the same time of being accountable for your actions.
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  Hilariously absurd!!!! Yes, please keep posting so you can continue digging your proverbial hole with your non social-conservative shovel. Looks like I took a break just in time to see this get really ugly.
  
  I'll stand by to fill in the hole with my special shovel with special powers that was given to me by society b/c I identify as an african american male.
  
  
  

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  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:21 AM GMT

  orthojock said[quote]
  
  I really hate to say it because I am not socially conservative, but you need to get off the pity pot. Society has given you your break and you will be respected by all creeds for taking responsibility for your freedom at the same time of being accountable for your actions.
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  Hilariously absurd!!!! Yes, please keep posting so you can continue digging your proverbial hole with your non social-conservative shovel. Looks like I took a break just in time to see this get really ugly.
  
  I'll stand by to fill in the hole with my special shovel with special powers that was given to me by society b/c I identify as an african american male.
  
  
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  I'm not the one here who is provoking the drama... I find it quite humorous though. I see three black guys trying to manipulate gay white guys into believing they should give more than Affirmative Action already has because they found a loop hole. I suppose now everyone is prejudice again? Get over it. To tell you the truth, nobody is going to give you the shirt off their back to your double wammy demands when they have earned it. Do you find affirmative action as holy ground? I don't.

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• creature Posts: 4210
  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:26 AM GMT

  It's hard in any community where the people are socially conservative. Gay whites living in small farming communities are probably surrounded by the same hostile attitudes.

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• LJay Posts: 6908
  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:34 AM GMT

  Really interesting that there was an episode of Fresh Aire on NPR devoted to issues very close to this today. I'm sure you could pick it up at NPR.ORG. You might find it very helpful in sorting things out.
  
  I'm not black, but I have had enough exposure to the community to know that there is wisdom and depth and love there to be had. Don't hesitate to look for it.

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• YJacket Posts: 146
  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:38 AM GMT

  JamieJfromtheA saidWell I posted something similar like this...so I get where you are coming from ...
  

  
  
  The very least you can do is refer to your own experiences with certain Black people. The nonsensical generalizations are unnecessary.

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  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:41 AM GMT

  creature saidIt's hard in any community where the people are socially conservative. Gay whites living in small farming communities are probably surrounded by the same hostile attitudes.

  
  
  This whole thread is racist.

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• TheOmegaMan Posts: 60
  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:43 AM GMT

  How is this thread racist?

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• caramelopelon Posts: 110
  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:47 AM GMT

  First off Omega Man, My Brotha! Its Black, with a capital 'B', you know that. We're talking about a People and a collective, but diverse experience, not just a 'color', which among humans, doesn't really exist. Just as we recognize our "White", "Yellow", "Red", and "Brown" brothas and sistas. African American or African diaspora are the terms these days guy. Also, we are not "minorities". We're African/Black and minor to no one. Everyone (all "races" of people) under the sun is of the same source, and we all need to act like we know it. When we know it and behave accordingly, we'll be better off on all fronts.
  
  Yeah I would agree, its harder to come out in many communities of color for so many reasons (stigma, fear, homophobia, HIVphobia, unenlightenment). Many White brothas and definitely our Asian brothas have the same issues. Although I think its changing rapidly. Don't you agree? However, you are correct man. In many areas it can be life-threatening to come out...that is a reality. So we have to strive for really increased awareness and spread it around. Teach. Gay men have to be teachers, we have to be more compassionate and more committed and more open and more evolved than the rest. When we lead correctly, all of us, the rest of the world will follow :-) God Bless!

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• FootballHawk Posts: 2344
  QUOTE Jul 06, 2012 5:48 AM GMT

  No, using the ethnic card is the just another pussy excuse to not come out. i know just as many closeted white guys so it has nothing to do with ethnicity. it really comes down to personal strength and how far you're willing to go for it.

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